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05/07/2003 AIRPARK ADVISORY BOARD MEETING CITY OF CLEARWATER May 7, 2003 Present: Brenda Harris Nixon Chair – arrived 2:41 p.m. Bob Lunt Vice-Chair J.B. Johnson Board Member Bruce Miller Board Member Donald “Scott” Armstrong Board Member Also Present: Bryan Ruff Assistant City Attorney William Morris Marine & Aviation Department Director Brenda Moses Board Reporter The Vice-Chair called meeting to order at 2:30 p.m. at City Hall. To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not necessarily discussed in that order. ITEM #2 – Approval of Minutes from April 2, 2003 Member Miller moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of April 2, 2003, as motion submitted in written summation to each board member. The was duly seconded and carried unanimously. ITEM #3 – Tenant & Lease Report from FBO (Fixed Base Operator) FBO David King reported the tie downs and hangars are the same as last month. Mr. King said spring-cleaning was done on the main building at the airpark. Mr. King thanked his staff, Gordon Wills and the CAP (Civil Air Patrol) for a successful Open House this year. He estimated between 2,000 and 3,000 people attended. He said it appeared that more children attended this year perhaps because of the petting zoo and other festivities. Marine & Aviation Director Bill Morris also thanked Gordon Wills and the CAP for their efforts during the Open House. He said their participation at the Open House allowed him more time to interact with the public. In response to a question, Mr. King said approximately 350 airplane rides were sold. In response to a question, Mr. King said the navy plane at the airpark has been parking between two buildings and needs to be moved to a hard stand, as the plane will not fit in a hangar. It may fit into a corporate hangar. Mr. King said he spoke to Klaus Palinkas of HNTB Architects Engineers Planners this week, who estimates that the price for corporate hangars would be approximately $500 a month. Mr. King said seven people are on the corporate hangar waiting list. Item #4 - Other Business * Guest Speaker from FAA Airpark Advisory 2003-0507 1 05/0703 Mr. Morris said the guest speaker from the FAA (Federal Aviation Authority) apparently was unavailable today. Mr. Morris reported he has written letters to both the FDOT (Florida Department of Transportation) and the FAA regarding the use of jet aircraft at the Clearwater Airpark. The FDOT has indicated that future funding for the airpark could be affected if certain types of aircraft were prohibited from using the airpark. Mr. Morris said John H. Roeller, Aviation Programs Administrator of FDOT, indicated in a letter dated April 30, 2003, that the Special Airport Assurances section of the City of Clearwater and FDOT’s airport planning and development agreement states that the City airpark must be made available for public use on fair and reasonable terms. Mr. Roller further indicated that he felt fair and reasonable refers to the City, residents, and airpark management and does not apply only to pilots. Mr. Roller suggested that Mr. Morris research the Naples, Florida airport web site, as they are dealing with a similar situation as a commercial service airport. Mr. Morris said the Naples airport feels they can prohibit specific types of aircraft from using their airpark because they are a municipality, however the FAA disagrees. Mr. Morris said he informed one of the tenants at the airpark that his aircraft could legally be used at the airpark under ideal conditions, however the use of jet and turbofan aircraft at the Clearwater Airpark could also create the potential for problems with respect to neighborhood relations. It was remarked that the tenant Mr. Morris referred to made a dramatic take-off during the Open House of his own accord. It was remarked that the neighbors living near the Clearwater Airpark do not feel aircraft at the airpark should be used for business purposes. Mr. Morris said some tenants operate businesses out of the airpark. Minor mechanical work also is performed at the airpark. He said a tenant in the adjacent business park is interested in becoming a corporate tenant at the airpark, however that individual mainly uses his aircraft for personal business use. Mr. King said before he begins to solicit aircraft at the airpark, he wanted direction from the board regarding the specific types of aircraft the board felt was acceptable at the airpark. Discussion ensued and it was remarked that no one could legally prohibit specific aircraft at the airpark. The FAA regulations permit aircraft up to 12,500 pounds to use the airpark. Concern was expressed that jets currently are using the airpark. Mr. King explained that King Air aircraft have the same engines as jets, however they have propellers instead of ducted fans. He said various types of aircraft that are not jets also are noisy at times. One member remarked that persons living near an airpark should expect some noise from aircraft. Cars and car radios also generate vibrations and loud noise throughout neighborhoods. It was remarked that some people enjoy hearing and watching various types of aircraft passing over their neighborhoods. Mr. Morris said the Airpark Master Plan states that safety is the number one priority for the airpark. Staff and the FBO frequently review airpark operations including safety and funding issues. In response to a question, Mr. King said aside from Mr. Armstrong’s concerns, there have only been three people who have expressed concern about aircraft at the airpark. Mr. King said he would review the complaint log with the board at the next meeting. Mr. Armstrong Airpark Advisory 2003-0507 2 05/0703 said he was not the only person in his neighborhood that had concerns regarding jet aircraft at the airpark. He said the neighbors have discussed various issues regarding the airpark but have not been as vocal as he. It was remarked that Mr. Armstrong has never indicated he was a spokesman for the neighborhood. It was remarked that the Clearwater Airpark is quiet compared to its past record thanks to the efforts of staff, residents, the board, and particularly resident Ellen Hess. A comment was made that the FBO could target quieter aircraft instead of ultra-noisy aircraft of any generation. It was remarked that no pilot would intentionally take off unsafely and risk the possibility of an air crash. One resident said the Clearwater Airpark has made great strides over the past few years. City staff and the board have worked diligently with residents to address their concerns. He suggested that the majority of residents’ opinions should be considered over three or four residents that may never be able to be satisfied. In response to a question, Mr. King said he has not reviewed the types of aircraft on the corporate hangar waiting list. He said he would update the board regarding that matter. In response to a question, Mr. Morris said the long range plan was submitted in its entirety to SWFWMD (Southwest Florida Water Management District), however the corporate hangar portion was submitted separately in order to expedite construction of the hangars. He was unsure when SWFWMD would grant approval of the plans. In response to a question, Mr. Morris said he would provide a copy of the six-month operating results for the airpark to anyone who wants to review it. The preliminary 2003/2004 budget would be prepared next month. He said the corporate hangar project has been put out to bid. He anticipates a contract award date by the next board meeting. In response to a question, Mr. King said prior to today, he was under the impression that he was to solicit neighborhood-friendly type aircraft. He said his target was King Air aircraft, as they are good for fuel sales and are efficient, quiet, and safe. He offered to call Mr. Armstrong the next time a King Air is in the airpark so that Mr. Armstrong could witness the plane’s capabilities first-hand. Item #5 – Agenda for next meeting on June 4, 2003 The Chair said the Golden Knights from MacDill Air Force Base were unable to participate in this year’s Open House, as several of the pilots were dispatched to Iraq. They indicated that they would be willing to participate in next year’s Open House. She said she tentatively scheduled the Golden Knights for the last Saturday in April 2004. Item #6 – Adjournment The meeting adjourned at 3:42 p.m. Airpark Advisory 2003-0507 3 05/0703 . ':. '. Date, , ' . F ,. i. , , . ' , ' <, " , ' , , , , ....'.AA Airport, Authority ,MINUTES " 05/07/03 " . ' , " , " , , , , , , ~ . ' . , '> . , , . c .>'. " , . , . . I . -. . . T' " . ' , , , , ' , , . , .. , , ' , , ~.,' .. .. .', , t' , . I., , .. " . I , '. + . ~. . ," . . ," I C . ~ (. . , ' ' , , , , ' . ","... ., ' , , ..' + I ," . , , .'. .... .. , ' . . . , . " , , , ... " . > . 'T r' . .. " , . .,.. . . :' I . , .' . ., j ',' I .~. I. ~~ :.' -I .' ~, . I 1 ' .: ' .' " ! .~ .,"" iI' . . '.' '.' , ' . . '. ~ r .' I.., .' . . . AIRPARK ADVISORY BOARD MEETING CITY OF CLEARWATER May 7. 2003 Present: Brenda Harris Nixon Bob Lunt J.B. Johnson Bruce Miller Donald "Scottlt Armstrong Chair - arrived 2:41 p.m. Vice~Chair Board Member Board Member Board Member Also Present: Bryan Ruff William Morris Brenda Moses Assistant City Attorney Marine & Aviation Department Director Board Reporter The Vice~Chair called meeting to order at 2:30 p.m. at City Hall. To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not necessarily discussed in that order. ITEM #2 - Approval of Minutes from April 2. 2003 Member Miller moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of April 2. 2003. as submitted in written summation to each board member. The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously. ITEM #3 - Tenant & Lease Report from FBO (Fixed Base Operator) FBO David King reported the tie downs and hangars are the same as last month. Mr. King said spring-cleaning was done on the main building at the airpark. Mr. King thanked his staff. Gordon Wills and the CAP (Civil Air Patrol) for a successful Open House this year. He estimated between 2.000 and 3.000 people attended. He said it appeared that more children attended this year perhaps because of the petting zoo and other festivities. Marine & Aviation Director Bill Morris also thanked Gordon Wills and the CAP for their efforts during the Open House. He said their participation at the Open House allowed him more time to interact with the public. In response to a question. Mr. King said approximately , 350 airplane rides were sold. In response to a question. Mr. King said the navy plane at the airpark has been parking between two buildings and needs to be moved to a hard stand. as the plane will not fit in a hangar. It may fit into a corporate hangar. Mr. King said he spoke to Klaus Palinkas of HNTB Architects Engineers Planners this week. who estimates that the price for corporate hangars would be approximately $500 a month. Mr. King said seven people ~re on the corporate hangar waiting list. Airpark Advisory 2003~0507 , 1 05/0703 : '....-l..." '., I '. . ~: . ~. I I j 'I" . ' + '. ,~[)., ." I" I . ..' ~ '. , . e, . Item #4 - Other Business .. Guest Speaker from FAA Mr. Morris said the guest speaker from the FAA (Federal Aviation Authority) apparently was unavailable today. . ' Mr. Morris reported he has written letters to both the FOOT (Florida Department of Transportation) and the FAA regarding the use of jet aircraft at the Clearwater Airpark. The FOOT has indicated that future funding for the airpark could be affected if certain types of aircraft were prohibited from using the airpark. Mr. Morris said John H. Roeller, Aviation Programs Administrator of FDOT. indicated in a letter dated April 30, 2003. that the Special Airport Assurances section of the City of Clearwater and FDOT's airport planning and development agreement states that the City airpark must be made available for public use on fair and reasonable terms. Mr. Roller further , indicated that he felt fair and reasonable refers to the City. residents, and airpark management and does not apply only to pilots. Mr. Roller suggested that Mr. Morris research the Naples, Florida airport web site, as they are dealing with a similar situation as a commercial service airport. Mr. Morris said the Naples airport feels they can prohibit specific types of aircraft from using their airpark because they are a municipality, however the FAA disagrees. Mr. Morris said he informed one of the tenants at the airpark that his aircraft could legally be used at the airpark under ideal conditions, however the use of jet and turbofan aircraft at the Clearwater Airpark could also create the potential for problems with respect to neighborhood relations. It was remarked that the tenant Mr. Morris referred to made a dramatic take-off during the Open House of his own accord. It was remarked that the neighbors living near the Clearwater Airpark do not feel aircraft at the airpark should be used for business purposes. Mr. Morris said some tenants operate businesses out of the airpark. Minor mechanical work also is performed at the airpark. He said a tenant in the adjacent business park is interested in becoming a corporate tenant at the airpark. however that individual mainly uses his aircraft for personal business use. Mr. King said before he begins to solicit aircraft at the airpark. he wanted direction from the board regarding the specific types of aircraft the board felt was acceptable at the airpark. Discussion ensued and it was remarked that no one could legally prohibit specific aircraft at the airpark. The FAA regulations permit aircraft up to 12,500 pounds to use the airpark. Concern was expressed that jets currently are using the airpark. Mr. King explained that King Air aircraft have the same engines as jets. however they have propellers instead of dueted fans. He said various types of aircraft that are not jets also are noisy at times. One member remarked that persons living near an airpark should expect some noise from aircraft. Cars and car radios also generate vibrations and loud noise throughout neighborho'ods. It was remarked that some people enjoy hearing and watching various types of aircraft passing over their neig hborhoods. Mr. Morris said the Airpark Master Plan states that safety is the number one priority for the airpark. Staff and the FBO frequently review airpark operations including safety and fundjng issues. Airpark Advisory 2003-0507 05/0703 2 ~ \ . . .' ,. " . ~, ~'. I , o. . .' . '. ; . , .. J "'" ~ '..':' . ' , . . ;. . ",.. . ( . J .' . . I . I" I. ! ' . . ' ; .', 'I (.' ': '. I" ,: I I I I '.' ": I.' . , . I I L ~ i' . . . .', .',' I ~ '\ ' . '. ,. . f ~,I , , . In response to a question, Mr. King said aside from Mr. Armstrong's concerns, there have only been three people who have expressed concern about aircraft at the airpark. Mr. King said he would review the complaint log with the board at the next meeting. Mr. Armstrong said he was not the only person in his neighborhood that had concerns regarding jet aircraft at the airpark. He said the neighbors have discussed various issues regarding the airpark but have not been as vocal as he. It was remarked that Mr. Armstrong has never indicated he was a spokesman for the neighborhood. It was remarked that the Clearwater Airpark is quiet compared to its past record thanks to the efforts of staff. residents. the board. and particularly 'resident Ellen Hess. A comment was made that the FBO could target quieter aircraft instead of ultra-noisy aircraft of any generation. ' It was remarked that no pHot would intentionally take off unsafely and risk the possibility of an air crash. One'resident said the Clearwater Airpark has made great strides over the past few years. City staff and the board have worked diligently with residents to address their concerns. He suggested that the majority of residents' opinions should be considered over three or four residents that may never be able to be satisfied. In response to a question. Mr. King said he has not reviewed the types of aircraft on the corporate hangar waiting list. He said he would update the board regarding that matter. '. In response to a question, Mr. Morris said the long range plan was submitted in its entirety to SWFWMD (Southwest Florida Water Management District), however the corporate hangar portion was submitted separately in order to expedite construction of the hangars. He was unsure when SWFWMD would grant approval of the plans. In response to a question. Mr. Morris said he would provide a copy of the six-month operating results for the airpark to anyone who wants to review it. The preliminary 2003/2004 budget would be prepared next month. He said the corporate hangar project has been put out to bid. He anticipates a contract award date by the next board meeting. In response to a question, Mr. King said prior to today. he was under the impression that he was to solicit neighborhood-friendly type aircraft. He said his target was King Air aircraft, as they are good for fuel sales and are efficient. quiet, and safe. 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