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06/14/1999BROWNFIELDS ADVISORY BOARD TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE June 14, 1999 Present: Alicia R. Reed Chair (Arrived 3:30 pm) Dave Gerard Committee Member Willa Carson Committee Member Arlington L. Nunn, Sr. Committee Member Michael Flanery Committee Member Bradley Droy Committee Member James E. Steele Committee Member Absent: Dr. Ramon Harbison Committee Member Also Present: Leslie Dougall-Sides Assistant City Attorney Tom Miller Assistant Director of Engineering – PD&E Miles Ballogg Economic Development Programs Manager Karma Killian Environmental Specialist Nina Clark Staff Assistant II In order to provide continuity for research, items are listed in agenda order, although not necessarily discussed in that order. ITEM A – Call to Order The meeting was called to order at 3:10 p.m. at the Ross Norton Park Building. ITEM B – Approve Minutes Member Michael Flanery corrected the spelling of his last name. Member Arlington Nunn moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of April 12, 1999, as submitted in written summation to each board member. The motion was duly seconded by Member Steele and carried unanimously. ITEM C – Brownfields Advisory Board Review (Miles Ballogg) Mr. Ballogg informed the members that there are two new members, Reverend William Sherman representing the community and Karen Finton, representing Morton Plant Hospital. An award of $500,000 capitalized Brownfields revolving loan fund was awarded and the money will be put into a revolving loan pool. Loans will be made out of the revolving pool and as people pay interest, there will be additional money for clean up. An update regarding 804.5 Pennsylvania Avenue will be presented at the next meeting. ITEM D – Brownsfield Cleanup Criteria (Tom Miller) Mr. Miller initiated a general discussion with a hypothetical project called for the purpose of understanding this committee’s purpose and procedures related to an actual project review. Hypothetically, the City has asked the Board what can be done with this property if the City buys it and how much work is going to be involved to clean it up. Mr. Miller asked the Committee what their thoughts were after looking over the information regarding the property e.g. the levels of contamination that exist on the site. Member Flanery expressed concerns that more detailed information needs to be provided, citing specifically, site usage, value of property, more details on adjacent properties, well locations and more soil samples. Member Steele stated that he would need to understand the redevelopment goals. There are too many levels of review and unless you have the end results, you are just ”wading in the mud”. Member Droy explained that regardless of the real estate transaction, there will be a phase I and if there is a problem, phase II will be done and if there is still a problem, a decision whether or not to get involved, depending on the extent of the problem will need to be determined. Based on the information that was presented, there are two issues, one is the hot-spot area that would require future investigative efforts around monitoring well 4 and secondly, the potential liability of the City associated with deep contamination by the adjacent dry cleaners. Deep wells installed determine ground water flow direction and if there is a groundwater problem detected, it may be the determining factor. Mr. Miller stated that a concern of the City is when a piece of property is purchased by the City and contamination is found coming from another source, the City becomes responsible for the clean up on the acquired property. This represents a liability for the City. A lengthy discussion ensued and it was decided that a summary report is not as useful as a more detail review of the data. The report needs to have more narrative so that when the report is read, the numbers are more understandable. General committee consensus was for the review of all reports of phase I report by the members. Similarly, the Committee would also like to review all phase II information of findings. An important issue seems to be land use and what the ultimate use of the site will be. Furthermore, having a consultant present to answer any questions that the members may have would also be useful. Member Carson asked about 1108 North Greenwood. Mr. Ballogg said that Redevelopment Project is on state appropriation. Ms. Carson stated that at the last meeting she understood that not too much contamination was found at the site. Ms. Killian said that the original estimate and amount of soil needed to be excavated below ground level was down 4-5 feet to the water table. Since going through 4-5 months of dry weather, the water table was down even further and the contaminated soil for removal has doubled, but there are funds to deal with it. ITEM E - Executive Summary Mr. Miller summarized the meeting hearing that the BAB-TAC members would like to be involved earlier in the process of property redevelopment to help them get to some of the decision making. At the same time, from an economic development perspective, the Committee would like to have as much information as possible to minimize the risk for the City. Noting page 3 of the BSRA, Item #8 establishes an advisory committee pursuant to Chapter 276.180 for the purposes of including public participation. The role of this Committee becomes one of educating the community, helping them understand what is being done. Member Steele suggested that it may be helpful as these sites are identified, to the Committee, to ask for the level of analysis that is to be used as part of the initial decision. ITEM F - Member Dr. Brad Peebles Mr. Miller announced that Dr. Brad Peebles will no longer be participating as a member of the Brownfields TAC Team and will require replacement. ITEM G - Pinellas County Health Department Member Flanery informed the members that the Pinellas County Health Department has been asked to begin working on behalf of the FDEP to monitor the work of consultants as they clean up the sites in Pinellas County. That means that a professional geologist will be hired and an experienced environmental specialist will be working with consultants. We do the compliance work of watching and monitoring improvement and reimbursements that are made for clean up by the State. Member Flanery anticipates his staff involved in this work will be available to assist in BAB-TAC review. ITEM H - Public Discussion - None ITEM I - Establish Future Meeting Date and Agenda The next meeting is scheduled for July 26, 1999 at 3:30 pm at Ross Norton Park. The meeting adjourned at 5:12 p.m.