ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING SEAGRAPES AND MANGROVE TRIMMING
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Thursday, October 06,20059:38 AM
Arasteh, Mahshid; Brumback, Garry; Carrier, AI
Quillen, Michael; City Council; Goudeau, Cyndie
RE: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
Councihnembers,
Email belowprovidesadditionalinformationregardingwhatcanbedonewithSeagrapes.This
vegetation is not regulated by the state or county, but it is regulated by the city. If you do not
agree with our ClUTent city standards, you will need to provide guidance to change them during
your discussion during your discussion tonight.
Bill Horne, ICMA-CM
City Manager
Clearwater, FL
(727) 562-4046
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From: Arasteh, Mahshid
Sent: Thursday, October 06,20059:21 AM
To: Horne, William; Brumback, Garry; Carrier, AI
Cc: Quillen, Michael
Subject: AN: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
Thanks AI
Bill/Garry FYI pIs see AI's E-mail below.
Clarification: DBH : diameter at breast height. and could be accumulation of more than one
branch.
Mahshid 0. Arasteh, FE
Public Works Administrator
727-562-4757
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From: Carrier, AI
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:00 AM
To: Arasteh, Mahshid
Subject: PW: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
Mr. Horne,
Permitting requirements from the State, County and City for the trimming and removal of seagrapes along Memorial
Causeway are as follows:
State - No permit required, not within the States' jurisdiction
County - No permit required, seagrapes not regulated by the County
City - Seagrapes 4 inch DBH or larger will require a tree removal permit. The number of replacement trees
will be calculated based on the size and quality of the seagrapes removed. Trimming of seagrapes requires a
permit if more that 1/3 of the canopy is going to be removed.
Source information, Steve West-FDEP, David Walker-Pinellas County by phone on 10/05/05.
-----Original Message-----
From: Horne, William
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Carrier, AI; Arasteh, Mahshid; Brumback, Garry
Cc: Finch, Terry; Quillen, Michael; Akin, Pam; Goudeau, Cyndie; Oty Council
SUbject: RE: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
AI,
Thanks for this info. This gives important clarification about how the Comp Plan tries to
address the role of Mangroves in Coastal High Hazard Areas.
Bill Horne, ICMA-CM
City Manager
Clearwater, FL
(727) 562-4046
-----Original Message-----
From: Carrier, AI
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:02 AM
To: Horne, William; Arasteh, Mahshid; Brumback, Garry
cc: Finch, Terry; Quillen, Michael; Akin, Pam; Goudeau, Cyndie
Subject: RE: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
Mr. Horne:
As a follow-up to today's worksession, I would like to offer the following for your discussions with the Council
members. I have reviewed the City Comprehensive Plan and although there are many references to
wetlands and mangroves, the wording of the policies are vague and open to interpretation. I did find in the
Community Development Code the section that specifically addresses mangroves in FEMA "V" zones.
Sec. 51.32. Specific standards.
(6) Coastal high hazard areas (V zones). Located within the areas of special flood hazard are areas
designated as coastal high hazard areas. Because these areas have special flood hazards
associated with wave wash, the following standards are required:
(g) There shall be no alteration of sand dunes or mangrove stands which would increase
potential flood damage.
The other issues brought up at the meeting regarding the location of the preservation/jurisdictional wetland
line and if the mangroves are in or out of the water is a non-issue regarding the trimming permit. FDEP and
the county has verbally told the City that a pennit can be obtained provided that the City does not have
regulations prohibiting the trimming.
AI Carrier
-----Original Message-----
From: Horne, William
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 4:20 PM
To: Arasteh, Mahshid; Brumback, Garry
Cc: Carrier, AI; Finch, Terry; Quillen, Michael; City Council; Akin, Pam; Goudeau, Cyndie
Subject: RE: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
Mashid,
Thanks for the update. Be prepared to respond to questions from the council during
their discussion at the worksession.
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Bill Horne, ICMA-CM
City Manager
Clearwater, FL
(727) 562-4046
-----Original Message-----
From: Arasteh, Mahshid
Sent: Friday, September 30,20054:14 PM
To: Brumback, Garry; Home, William
Cc: Carrier, AI; Finch, Terry; Quillen, Michael
Subject: trimming of mangroves on the Memorial Causeway
BiII/ Garry
we just had our last conversation with the County.. Will Davis and David Walker. In
the past County has indicated that they can not issue a permit for this trimming. As
of this afternoon and after their conversation with FDEP they have informed us that
the City can apply for a permit to trim these mangroves. Up to 65% of the square
footage of the mangroves could be trimmed. 25% of the 65% must remain over 16
feet tall. County will send us the details of requirements of the permit.
Cost of trimming depends on the final design and the desired view corridors. For
this we need to develop a plan. A preliminary estimate is $225K to $450K for the
initial trimming. Yearly maintenance is between $75K and $120K.
Concerns are: The intent of City's Comp Plan is to preserve the mangroves as
much as possible. This does not preclude trimming. Also in the past the residents of
the adjacent Islands have expressed their desire not to trim the mangroves - since
the mangroves act as a noise buffer for their properties.
Our environmental staff have always expressed their concern that trimming
mangroves does not fully retain the ecological values of the mangrove habitat i.e.
the birds do not utilize trimmed mangroves the same way they use the untrimmed
mangroves. The Comp Plan also says that the City shall continue to protect coastal
wetlands and wildlife habitat... (section 20.1)
Mahshid D. Arasteh, FE.
Public Works Administrator
727-562-4757
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