06/11/2009
PENSION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
CITY OF CLEARWATER
June 11, 2009
Present: Nathan Hightower Chair
Tom Jensen Vice-Chair
John Schmalzbauer Committee Member
Carlen Petersen Committee Member/Councilmember
John Doran Committee Member/Councilmember
Paul Gibson Committee Member/Councilmember
Brian De Witt Committee Member
Also Present: Stuart Kaufman Pension Advisory Committee Attorney
Leslie Dougall-Sides Assistant City Attorney
Joe Roseto Human Resources Director
Patricia O. Sullivan Board Reporter
The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m. at City Hall.
To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
2 - Approval of Minutes
– April 9 and May 14, 2009
Member Petersen moved to approve the minutes of the regular PAC (Pension Advisory
Committee) meeting of April 9, 2009, as submitted in written summation to each board member.
The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
Member Doran moved to approve the minutes of the regular PAC meeting of May 14,
2009, as submitted in written summation to each board member. The motion was duly
seconded and carried unanimously.
3 – Employees to be Heard
– None.
4 – Action Items
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5 – Pending/New Business
5.1. Thomas Stubblefield - Hearing regarding Disability Pension Status
Pension Advisory Committee Attorney Stuart Kaufman said the City has the burden of
proof that Thomas Stubblefield is not eligible for a disability benefit. He reviewed the hearing
procedures and read into the record Code Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1). “Any former participant
receiving disability benefits under provisions of this plan . . . if an employee accepts employment
with another employer in an occupation or line of work similar to the occupation or line of work
that resulted in the employee being eligible for a disability benefit hereunder, he shall forfeit the
right to his disability benefit.” In response to a question from Attorney Richard Sicking,
representing Mr. Stubblefield, Attorney Kaufman said there is a supplemental plan for police
officers and firefighters.
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Assistant City Attorney Leslie Dougall-Sides introduced exhibits and requested that they
be accepted into evidence. Attorney Sicking requested that one exhibit be accepted into
evidence.
Member Gibson moved to accept into evidence exhibits: 1) Disability application file for
Thomas A. Stubblefield, including PAC order approving Mr. Stubblefield’s disability pension; 2)
Job description for City of Clearwater Firefighter and job description for Pasco County Law
Enforcement Deputy; 3) Independent Medical Examination by Michael A. Wasylik, M.D., dated
February 23, 2009; 4) Pasco Sheriff’s Office personnel file, Thomas Stubblefield; 5) Letter from
Human Resources Manager Nancy Berkley, Pasco Sheriff’s Office, to City dated May 27, 2009,
re Employment Status; 6) Deposition, Daniel A. Terrone, D.O. with exhibits 7) Deposition, Michael
A. Wasylik, M.D., with exhibits; 8) Spreadsheet comparing firefighter and law enforcement deputy
job descriptions; and 9) May 7, 2009 letter from retired Major R. W. Stone, formerly with Pasco
Sheriff’s Office. The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
Attorney Dougall-Sides said the Code does not define the word “similar” and reviewed
the dictionary definition, which indicates it means alike in substance but not identical. The PAC
approved Mr. Stubblefield’s disability from the Fire Department in August 2005. He now is
employed as a Pasco County Law Enforcement Deputy. She said the job descriptions for City
of Clearwater Firefighter and Pasco County Law Enforcement Deputy are similar.
Attorney Dougall-Sides said at the IME (Independent Medical Exam), Dr. Wasylik
determined that Mr. Stubblefield remains totally and permanently disabled and unable to do any
heavy lifting or perform the duties of a firefighter. In his deposition, Dr. Terrone said Mr.
Stubblefield had reported his neck problems and surgeries at a 2005 examination but, at his July
2007 pre employment physical for Pasco County, did not mention his disability or neck issues. Dr.
Terrone said at that time he determined Mr. Stubblefield was stable, marking in the record that the
spine area was normal.
Attorney Dougall-Sides said in his Pasco Sheriff’s Office personnel file, Mr. Stubblefield’s
job application states that he retired from the City and does not mention his disability. In her May
27, 2009 letter to the City, Pasco Sheriff’s Office Human Resources Manager Nancy Berkley
stated that Mr. Stubblefield’s file does not indicate that he has a light duty position. Attorney
Dougall-Sides said the Pasco County Law Enforcement Deputy job description does not list a light
duty position. Pasco County requires Law Enforcement Deputies to meet all criteria in the job
description including minimum physical requirements to use force. She reviewed physical
requirements in the Law Enforcement Deputy job description. Half of the Law Enforcement
Deputy job involves patrol duty. Kathleen Becket’s spreadsheet comparison of Firefighter and
Law Enforcement Deputy positions reported that the job descriptions do not detail the frequency
of specific tasks, which made comparison difficult. Both positions are classified as “very heavy
work” and require lifting, dragging, carrying, climbing, crawling, grasping, and manual dexterity.
Attorney Sicking referenced Code Sections 2.397(c)(2)(a) and 2.397(c)(2)(b), and stated
that the Code carves out an exception for police officers and firefighters who become disabled.
He said the definition of total disability for police officers and firefighters differs from the
definition for general employees. He said that carve out relates to Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1). He
said that section only covers general employees, not firefighters. He said the ordinance and
State Statute 175 indicate that firefighters, who cannot work as firefighters, are disabled and are
not required to work in similar positions.
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Attorney Sicking reviewed Mr. Stubblefield’s neck injuries and Dr. Wasylik’s report. He
said the Law Enforcement Deputy job description is not equivalent nor comparable to the firefighter
job description which requires working overhead, climbing ladders while wearing 50 pounds of
equipment, rescuing victims, and controlling hoses that exert 150 pounds of force. He said the
legal test of disability is Mr. Stubblefield’s ability to be a firefighter. He said the PAC cannot
disregard medical opinion that Mr. Stubblefield cannot perform firefighter duties. In response to a
question, Attorney Sicking said Code language related to accepting similar work refers to general
employees, not firefighters or police officers. He said if the City does not think Mr. Stubblefield
remains disabled, they should offer him a firefighter position. He said State Statute 175 defines a
disability as the inability to perform the duties of a firefighter.
Attorney Kaufman said Code Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1) does not differentiate between
general and public safety employees.
In response to questions from Attorney Dougall-Sides, Human Resources Director Joe
Roseto said firefighter job descriptions in the Tampa Bay area are essentially the same. He
said while they may be portrayed differently, police officer job descriptions are the same
throughout the country. The City only provides light duty for firefighters and police officers when
injuries are temporary. The City does not dispute that Mr. Stubblefield is disabled and has no
expectation that he would be able to work in public safety. Mr. Stubblefield had reported his
position as a Law Enforcement Deputy on his annual certification form. In response to questions
from Attorney Sicking, Mr. Roseto said all City police officers have the same physical
requirements. He said the City has not offered Mr. Stubblefield a position as a firefighter
In response to questions from the PAC, Mr. Roseto said while job descriptions for
firefighter and police officer are not the same, both positions are public safety officers. He said
if a police officer gets into a violent confrontation, physical requirements are much greater than
carrying hose. He said according to the City’s perspective, firefighter and police officer positions
are similar; both require physicality.
Attorney Sicking said City firefighters and police officers are considered disabled if they
cannot perform their full duties. He said the City would not offer Mr. Stubblefield a firefighter
position because he is disabled. He said only general employees are considered disabled if
they cannot perform other meaningful work. He said firefighters must be able to climb down a
ladder while carrying someone. He said Ms. Becket had indicated that similarities between
police officer and firefighter positions could not be determined. He said unlike firefighters, police
officers are not required to carry anything while climbing.
The PAC recessed from 10:07 to 10:17 a.m.
Attorney Dougall-Sides said the City had proven that Firefighter and Law Enforcement
Deputy positions are similar. She said Mr. Roseto has had significant experience in Human
Resources and testified that the positions are similar. She said the vocational rehabilitation letter
classified both jobs as very heavy work with similar strength requirements to lift, drag, carry, climb,
and crawl. The Pasco Sheriff’s office had opined that Mr. Stubblefield was not assigned to light
duty. She said had it been their intent, framers would have separated employment limitations
for general and public safety positions in Code Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1). She said the Code does
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not require job descriptions to be identical, just similar. She said no court has opined that the City’s
ordinance violates State Statute.
Attorney Sicking said State Statutes 175 and 185 separate firefighter and police officer
duties and the inability to perform useful services if disabled. He said while it is logical to compel
general employees to accept similar work, that requirement makes no sense for firefighters or
police officers. He said if that were the case, the City would offer Mr. Stubblefield a position. He
said the PAC must follow medical opinion and the IME doctor had reported that Mr. Stubblefield
cannot work as a firefighter. He said retired Major R. W. Stone had written that he knew about
Mr. Stubblefield’s neck injury when he recommended him for hire. He said in her job description
comparison, Ms. Becket had indicated that she could not conclude that the jobs were similar as
they could not be compared. He said the City had not met its burden of proof.
Attorney Kaufman said the PAC is charged with making the final determination. If the
PAC finds that Mr. Stubblefield is not eligible for a disability pension, he could vest his pension and
draw a normal retirement benefit beginning in July 2011, but that issue is not relevant to these
proceedings. He said Code language goes beyond State Statutes 175 and 185. According to
those Statutes, the City must meet minimum benefit standards to receive State money for the
supplemental plans. He said “participant” encompasses all employees who were employed full
time; Code Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1) does not exclude firefighters or police officers. He said to
be “similar” many aspects of the job descriptions must resemble each other. He said substantial
evidence is necessary to prove that Mr. Stubblefield is engaged in a similar occupation.
Discussion ensued with comments that police officers also must be able to run into
burning buildings and drag people out and some police officer positions have enhanced physical
requirements. It was noted that Code Section 2.397(c)(4) does not provide separate
requirements for firefighters and police officers related to physical exams. It was stated that
State Statute 175 language was satisfied during the initial hearing that granted Mr. Stubblefield
a disability pension. The PAC’s fiduciary responsibility to the Pension Plan was noted.
It was stated that the PAC is tasked with determining if the positions are similar, not if Mr.
Stubblefield is disabled. Similarities regarding job duties were noted; both positions are classified
as very heavy work and require the ability to drag significant weight. It was indicated that fire and
police positions are public safety occupations with commonalities; broad consensus lumps public
safety jobs together. It was noted that Mr. Stubblefield had chosen a similar job when an unlimited
number of other occupations exist. It was stated the Code is clear regarding the forfeiture of a
disability pension. It was indicated that light duty is not an issue and that evidence does not show
that firefighter and law enforcement deputy positions are significantly different. It was remarked
that the positions are more different than similar.
Discussion ensued regarding the motion. The Chair passed the gavel to the Vice-Chair.
Member Hightower moved that the City had met its burden of proof established in Code
Section 2.397(c)(4)(b)(1) and the Pension Advisory Committee finds that Thomas Stubblefield is
not eligible for a disability benefit as he accepted employment in an occupation or line of work
similar to the occupation or line of work that resulted in the employee being eligible for a
disability benefit. The motion was duly seconded. Members Schmalzbauer, Petersen, Doran,
Gibson, Hightower, and Acting Chair Jensen voted “Aye”; Member De Witt voted “Nay.” Motion
carried.
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The Acting Chair passed the gavel back to the Chair.
6 - Director's Report - None
7 - Committee Members to be Heard:
Discussion ensued regarding Thomas Stubblefield's ability to reapply for a disability
pension should he quit his law enforcement position. Mr. Kaufman said the Code is silent on that
issue. It was recommended that the Code define the word "similar" and suggested that it provide
separate rules for public service and general employees. It was agreed that this decision was
difficult.
Attorney Kaufman reviewed recent legislation that increased the pension plan cap for
foreign investments and requires plans to divest investments in Sudan and Iran by September
2010. PAC and Trustee terms of office were extended to four years.
8 - Adjourn
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