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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
CITY OF CLEARWATER
May 21, 2001
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Commissioner Ed Hart
Commissioner Hoyt Hamilton
Lucile Casey
Bruce Littler
Arthur Lupien
Dan Moran
Rog~r' Schulman
Carl Wagenfohr
Bob Bickerstaffe
Facilitator/Non Voting. Chair
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Commissioner Bitt Jonson
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Gary Johnson
Paul Bertels
Lt. Mike Waters
Cynthia E. Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
Public Works Administrator
Public Works Director
Traffic Operations Manager
Police Department
City Clerk - departed 5:21 p.m.
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The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
ITEM #1 - Aooroval of Minutes - None.
ITEM #2 - Old Business
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Concern was expressed a report that claims beach metered parking spaces are used
only 27% of the time is misleading. The Chair said the City Commission is trying to honor
promises made by a previous City Commission and is considering the best site for a beach
parking garage. Public Works Administrator Mahshid Arasteh said staff studies do not
agree with that conclusion.
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a) Alternative Recommendations
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Ms. Arasteh presented an illustration of truck aprons at the roundabout exits to
Poinsettia and the Marina. Adding truck aprons and removing the splitter island at the
Mar'ina entrance is estimated to cost $38,152. Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels
said removing the Marina splitter island alone would cost approximately $15,370. Th~
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~ installation of truck aprons requires modifying drainage and relocating irrigation, lighting,
. , , and a traffic signal control box. Modifying the Poinsettia entrance splitter island and ,
installing a. truck apron would cost approximately $44,500 versus approximately. $14,000
to remove the splitter island. Public Works Director Gary Johnson said modifications
included in Barry Crowns' original proposal, estimated to cost $1.2-million, included the
truck aprons.
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It was stated retaining pa/t of the splitter islands is important to safeguard
pedestrians. Concern was expressed Crown's original recommendations would have
increased vehicular speeds before approaches to pedestrian crossings. It was felt aprons
would not affect vehicular speed as automobiles would not traverse them. In response to a
question regarding satety, Lt. Mike Waters said currently, trucks can access north beach
via East Shore and the Marina's Causeway entrance, without problem. He expressed
concern Increased traffic speeds onto Poinsettia would increase the potential for a
pedestrian' accident. He supported retaining the splitter islands as safety zones.
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It was stated truck aprons would decrease damage to City fixtures and landscaping
when trucks turn. It was stated truck drivers face no consequences for destruction caused
when' they drive over curbs. Concern was expressed truck destruction of City landscaping
and curbing is unremitting. Mr. Johnson said damaged landscaping can be replaced with
mulch.
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Member Wagenfohr moved for the committee to reconsider its motion of May 7,
2001, regarding altering the splitter islands at the Marina and Poinsettia. The motion was
duly seconded. Members Hamilton, Casey, Littler, Lupien, Moran, Schulman, and
Wagenfohr voted "Aye"; Member Bickerstaffe voted "Nay." Motion carried.
Member Wagenfohr moved to rescind the May 7, 2001 action regarding the splitter
islands at the Marina and Poinsettia. The motion was duly seconded. Members Hamilton,
Casey, Littler, Lupien, Moran, Schulman, and Wagentohr voted "Aye"; Member
Bickerstaffe voted "Nay." Motion carried.
Member Lupien moved to recommend that after the first series of modifications, if
staff determines it is needed, leave the splitter islands as is at the Marina and Poinsettia
but expand the curbs with brick pavers at an estimated cost of $82,000. The motion was
duly seconded. Members Hamilton, Casey, Littler, Lupien, Moran, Schulman, and
Wagentohr voted "Aye"; Member Bickerstaffe voted "Nay," Motion carried.
bl Recommendation to remove the fountain
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Member Wagonfohr reviewed his recommendation to remove the roundabout
fountain. Opposition was expressed. An objection to the 40-foot geyser, which causes
significant evaporation, was expressed. It was noted the fountain's $237,000 annual
operational costs must be brought under control, The difference between perceived and
real problems was noted. It was suggested the fountain be replaced by one more
mechanically simple. The need to discourage pedestrian access was stated. It was felt the
City cannot afford fountain related expenses if basic services must be cut.
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Ms. Arasteh said evaporadon would remain a problem if the fountain is modified to
be a reflecting pool. 'Discussion ensued regarding costs to redesign the fountain. and
problems associated with the current location of drains around the fountain's perimeter.
Ms. Arasteh said some circulation is necessary to deter birds. Concern was expressed
pedestrians walking on the fountain will cause damage. It was felt the Committee does not
have sufficient information related to removal of the fountain,
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The Chair invited members to submit alternative recommendations for the final
report. In response to a question, Mr. Johnson said removing two tiers, for approximately
$66,000, would make the fountain unsightly. Ms. Arasteh estimated reconfiguring the
fountain by remo'ving the outer two tiers and redesigning the fountain would cost
$160,000 and include traffic maintenance.
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The Chair will distribute a draft of the final cover sheet in the next few days and
forward a draft final executive summary to staff next week. Mr, Johnson reported staff is
obtaining a feasibility study regarding obtaining a discharge permit from SWFWMO
'(Southeast Florida Water Management District) so that reclaimed water can be used in the'
fountain without having to pump' it back to the water treatment plant, He said money
would have to be budgeted to replace components at a more accelerated rate as reclaimed
water is more abrasive to metal parts. Ms. Arasteh said the fountain originally was
designed to use reclaimed water. She estimated repiping the fountain.for reclaimed water
would cost $7/500.
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fountain if the City can obtain proper permits. The motion was duly seconded.
It was suggested the motion prohibit fountain water from spraying on the
roundabout. Ms. Arasteh said that requirement would be impossible to meet,
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Upon the vote being taken, Members Hamilton, Casey, Uttler, Lupien, Schulman,
and Bickerstaffe voted" Aye"; Member Moran and Wagenfohr voted "Nay." Motion
carried.
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The Chair invited members to submit additions and corrections to their reports, to
include their recommended alternatives.
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In response to a comment, Lt. Waters said the Fire Department does not like speed
bumps, as they reduce response time. Fire Department vehicles already slow to negotiate
the roundabout.
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Ms, Arasteh said speed is a secondary problem at Coronado, where conflict is
. common. In response to a question. Mr. Bertels said no problems are anticipated with
moving the Mandalay crosswalk as part of the streetscape project.
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Concern was expressed regarding significant traffic back-ups at the Mandalay
roundabout entry. It was recommended additional changes be considered after Crown's
minor revisions are .implemented.' . . ' .
In response to a question, Lt. Waters said most roundabout accidents occur at
Coronado. It was recommended modification of the Coronado exit be constructed first. It
was recommended the Committee not consider modifying the Mandalay and Coronado
splitter islands. Concern was expressed modifications will increase traffic speed.
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In response to a question, Ms. Arasteh said the proposed redesign of the Mandalay
splitter island will increase the exit lane's width by four feet to 10 feet at'its widest. Lt.
Waters said the change would increase truck traffic at that exit and alleviate stresses on
the Poinsettia exit. Replacement of bollards was included in the $1. 5-million project, but
not in Crown's suggested revisions.
ITEM #4 - New Business
It was requested staff tape the button at the Mandalay pedestrian crossing to
communicate to pedestrians that the signal light is not operational.
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In response to questions, Sgt. Charlie Cronin said if motorcyclists can see pavers
ahead, they can negotiate changes in pavement. He said motorcyclists face numerous
hazards such as debris, gravel, and puddles from sprinkler runoff throughout the City.
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Lt. Waters suggested cobblestone strips at the roundabout ~ntrances would slow
vehicular movement. Concern was expressed the strips would resemble crosswalks and
encourage pedestrians to cross there. In response to questions, staff responded striping or
installing candlesticks would be difficult on pavers. It was suggested colored bricks could
be used for striping. Ms. Arasteh said colored bricks would not meet standards. It was
felt the cost to install pavers to slow roundabout traffic would be worthwhile.
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Member Littler moved that this be the final meeting, unless it is necessary to call a
special meeting to reach consensus on an item in the final report. The motion was duly
seconded.
Lt. Waters reported Spring Break traffic counts had decreased by approximately
6,000 vehicles per day in comparison with last year. It was noted the decrease in traffic
counts will not impact the report.
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