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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRVWA Y ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
CITY OF CLEARWATER
May 14, 2001
Present,:
Commlssione'r Ed Hart Facilitator/NonVoting Chair - arrived 5:09 p.m.
, Commissioner Hoyt Hamilton 'Committee Member - arrived 5:10 p.m.
Bruce Littler Committee Member
Arthur Lupien Committee Me'mber
Dan Moran Committee Member
Roger Schulman Committee Member
Carl Wagenfohr Committee Member
,Bob Bickerstaffe Committee Member
Absent:
Herb Brown
Lucile Casey
Commissif;mer Bill Jonson
Committee Member
Committee Member
Alternate
Also present: Mahshid Arasteh
Gary Johnson
Paul Bertels
Lt. Mike Waters'
Sue Diana
Patricia O. Sullivan
Public Works Administrator
Public Works Director
Traffic Operations Manager
Police Department
Assistant City Clerk
Board Reporter
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The meeting was called to order at 4:12 p.m. at City Hall.
To provide continuity for research. items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
ITEM #1 - Aporoval of Minutes - None.
ITEM #2 - Old Business
Public Works Director Gary Johnson said to minimize the fountain' 5 spray onto the
roadway, the nozzles could be replaced and tilted inward, the rate of pumping could be
reduced, or a different type of grate could be used. It is difficult to predict how much
water would be saved.
Public Works Administrator Mashid Arasteh said staff is gathering information from
the firm maintaining the fountain and the one, which had coordinated the original project's
design-build specifications. A bid process for a professional fountain consultant has not
been initiated.
Mr. Johnson said milling one inch off the roundabout's asphalt to remove the stripes
and resurfacing would cost approximately $14,300. He recommended this action instead
of increasing the roundabout's height, which could cause drainage problems. hi response
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to a concern, he said a one-Inch replacement would be durable as the surface has never
been patched. ,
Ms. Arasteh will research further and report on metered parking IJsage on the beach.
It was stated most extended vehicle and motorcycle parking is rarely used during the week
and Is poorly promoted. Lt. Mike Waters said the Police Department directs drivers of
, those types of vehicles to those spaces.
Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels reported stopping roundabout traffic when
Coronado backs up would require also stopping access from Mandalay as well as the
Causeway.
The Chair reported he will prepare a draft final executive report for board review.
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ITEM #3 - Discussion Items
a) Fountain Usage Report
Mr. Johnson reported a total fountain water usage of 8,235,480 gallons during six
months: 1) July 2000 - 1,314,236 gallons; 2) August 2000 - 2,019,600 gallons; 3)
September 2000 - 1,938,068 gallons: 4) October 2000 - 1,129,480 gallons; 5) November
2000 - 1,165,384 gallons; and 6) December 2000 - 668,712 gallons.
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It was requested staff report on ways to reduce the amount ot water used by the
fountain. Mr. Johnson indicated a project to reroute water through the fountain's air~
conditioning system should reduce usage by approximately 800,000 gallons a month. He
felt staff could reduce water usage further. It is difficult to estimate savings until the
fountain is operational after drought conditions subside. Ms. Arasteh said draining and
refilling the fountain an more than one occasion last summer used a significant amount of
water. It was stated those procedures are part of a normal maintenance schedule. In
response to a question, Mr. Johnson said a defoamer can be used if bubbles are a problem.
Staff is investigating leaks, which may be related to several sump pumps and the
unexplained draining of the fountain's second tier.
b) Proposal to Remove Roundabout Fountain - submitted by Carl Wagenfohr
Copies of Member Wagenfohr's proposal were distributed. Member Wagenfohr
requested members read the proposal for discussion next week. He said the water use
numbers are too conservative and need to be increased. Mr. Johnson said usage had
dropped to approximately 670/000 gallons per month before the fountain was turned off.
Staff is determined to lower usage further.
Mr. Wagenfohr reviewed the method he had used to represent the possible view of
Pier 60 from the roundabout if the fountain is replaced by landscaping. He said the change
would improve motorist sight lines. He said the fountain's $ 231 /000 annual cost is a
frivolous use of scarce resources, when the money could be used to hire additional Police
Officers. He expressed concern fountain water sprayed onto convertibles and through
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sunroofs distracts drivers. He said a wet surface Is dangerous for motorcycle riders,
especially when striped with plastic. He said a landscaped Island would provide visitors
and citizens with a nicer sense of arrival than the current unattractive dry concrete
structure. Ms. Arasteh said Mr. Crown had suggested only removing the fountain's top
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It was felt the fountain is not a problem. It was stated others may not agree with
assumptions included in this proposal. It was noted the board had voted several times not
to alter the fountain. Concern was expressed a landscaped island would attract
pedestrians and be dangerous. It was suggested the island could be fenced. It was stated
traffic could drive into the landscaped area to avoid an accident as long as pedestrians are
not present. It was stated the fountain Is not a safety issue and presents no danger to
drivers from the left. It was felt the spray problem can be fixed. It was stated the present
structure could be modified as a reflecting pool if the drought continues. Opposition to
razing the fountain str~cture was stated.
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Ms. Arasteh said the fountain was designed to discourage pedestrian access. At a
charette, staff had presented a rendering of the fountain without its top two tiers.
Attendees expressed concern a view of the opposite side of the fountain would be
distracting for drivers. The fountain sprays a maximum of 40 feet above the ground.
Discussion ensued regarding the drought and SWFWMD's (Southwest Florida Water
Management District) request for the City to lower usage by 5%. Mr. Johnson said some
people fear a spray of reclaimed water would harm children even though it is safe to use on
lawns and golf courses. The City would need to obtain a point of discharge permit if
reclaimed water is to be used.
Mr. Wagenfohr requested that Sgt. Thomas Miller be invited to attend next week's
meeting.
c) Alternatives
Reference was made to Barry Crown/ s suggested minor revisions to improve
Roundabout safety: 1) adjust curb line to southbound lane from Mandalay to Coronado -
west side only; 2) modify Mandalay splitter island; 3) enlarge curb return into right-of-way
for northbound traffic off Coronado; 4) modify Coronado splitter island; 5) remove Marina
splitter island; 6) remove splitter island at Poinsettia; 7) enlarge curb line between Marina
and eastbound lane on Causeway; and 81 remove fountain/s top two tiers.
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In reference to revisions #5 and #6, it was stated modifying the splitter islands will
be difficult due to extensive landscaping and tall palm trees. Discussion ensued regarding
difficulties large trucks experience when turning from the roundabout into the Marina and
onto Poinsettia. Replacing some curbs with mountable truck aprons was suggested. It
was noted trucks could instead use East Shore to access Poinsettia or the Causeway
access to the Marina. Lt. Wateis reported a pedestrian on Coronado had received minor
injuries darting into traffic. Consensus was for staff to study the issue and decide on the
best way, to modify the splitter islands at the Marina and Poinsettia.
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The ChaIr requested Information on the Issue before next week's meeting. It was
stated staff should have the latitude to fix problems related to the roundabout, just as they'
fix problems at other City intersections. Difficulties associated with the splitter islands
relate to property' damage, not traffic or safety problems. Concern was expressed any
modification must provide a pedestrian safe zone. It .was suggested installing a mountable
, curb or truck apron on the turning radius would be as effective as d~molishing the splitter
'island. It was requested staff use,truck templates .when considering alternatives. 'It was
,stated the bollards at the Marina need to be moved away from the road. Ms. Arasteh said
it would be less expensive to remove the splitter island than move curbs to expand the
roundabout's radii. She 5ugg'ested this work could be done at the same time as #7 -
enlarge curb line between Marina and eastbound lane on Causeway. Concern was '
expressed pedestrians, who continue to cross at that point, are endangered. It was
recommended staff direct them to a safer rOlJte.
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Concern was expressed drivers on Coronado avoid the left lane access to the
roundabout and causes traffic to back up as far as Harnden. It was recommended staff
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The next meeting date will be May 21, 2001 at 4:00 p.m.
Adiournment
The meeting adjourned at 5:35 p.m.
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