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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
CITY OF CLEARWATER
March 26, 2001
'Pres'ent':
Commissioner Ed Hart
Herb Brown
Lucile Casey
Commissioner Hoyt Hamilton
Bruce Littler
Dan Moran,
Roger Schulman
, Carl Wagerlfohr
Bob Bickerstaffe
Facilitator/Non Voting Chair
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member,
Committee Member
Absent:
Arthur Lupien
Commissioner, Bill Jonson
Committee Member
Alternate
Also present: Gary Johnson
. Paul Bertels
Lt. Mike Waters
Cynthia E. Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
Public Works Director
Traffic Operations Manager
Police. Department - departed 5:25 p.m.
City Clerk
Boa.rd Reporter
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The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
Ta pravide continuity far research, items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
ITEM #1 - Review Minutes
,In reference to the minutes of the regular meeting of March 19, 2001, page 2,
paragraph 3, it was recommended the word "initiate" be replaced by "implement." In
reference to page 3, paragraph 2, it was recommended after" ...a handicapped person
required that accommodation." it should read, "It was estimated only 1 0% of motorists use
their turn signals in the roundabout. Lt. Waters said the major point of conflict is at the
Coronado exit. Concern was expressed trucks speed through the roundabout.1/
ITEM #2 - Old Business
Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels referred to expressed concerns regarding
dangers affecting motorcyclists. Although rubber striping can be slippery, using paint
instead requires frequent reapplication. It was suggested the rubber striping be replaced by
paint and when the paint fades, staff can observe traffic movement through the
roundabout without striping.
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a) Roundabout Report Review
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The .Chair said the committee's draft report would be submitted for City
, Commission review on March 31, 2001. Members were requested to submit
additional materials by Wednesday. Changes can be made to the draft after Spring
Break. Staff distributed a map of the roundabout, highlighting areas recommended for
widening in the Crown Report.
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,It was stated most costs related to Crown' s recommended changes address
speed and capacity. It was recommended the Committee focus on safety related
recommendations. It was noted all changes must consider Beach by Design plans. '
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It was suggested signs clearly indicate both lanes exit at Coronado to limit
conflicts when inner lane vehicles attempt to exit there. It was stated accidents occur
when inner lane vehicles turn in front of outer Jane vehicles. It was suggested
candlesticks between the roundabout's lanes could limit inner lane turns prior to the
Coronado exit. It was recommended the Coronado exit be treated the same as the
Causeway exit. It was noted vehicles have difficulty after exiting the Marina when
trying to reach Mandalay. It was stated the parking lot for Crabby Bills is being
redesigned.
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It was requested staff clarify that the Mandalay realignment and streetscaping
project are coordinated with the roundabout.
d) New Information from Barry Crown
Mr. Bertels reported Barry Crown had suggested the City only implement his
recommended redesign between Mandalay and Coronado: 1) realign west curb line of
roundabout from east~west axis, south into Coronado Drive entrance and 2) resurface
and restripe pavement to the final design. That change is estimated to cost $244,000,
plus the cost of striping.
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It was felt the pedestrian crossing on Coronado causes too many backups into
the roundabout. It was noted that crossing had been relocated farther from the
rou'1dabout to limit backups. It was stated traffic movement to and from the beach
has improved significantly since the roundabout was installed. '
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, Mr. Bertels said Mr. Crown had indicated the accident rate probably would
decrease after the minor change is made. Concern was expressed the proposed
change will increase traffic speeds between Mandalay and Coronado and create a liT"
intersection at Mandalay, making. it difficult for that traffic to access the roundabout.
It was noted few drivers use the inside lane. It was suggested additional law
enforcement would decrease vehicle speeds. It was felt the conflict point at Coronado
will remain after Crown changes are made as most Mandalay traffic exits the
roundabout at the Causeway. It was stated the change will crea'te problems as
Coronado traffic will have little time to access the inner lane and avoid exiting onto the
Causeway.
It was suggested removing the medians at Poinsettia and the Marina would
increase turning radii. Public Works Director Gary Johnson said the islands help direct
traffic. He estimated implementation of the reduced change would disrupt traffic for
three months. It was suggested the change would be worth it if it alleviates dangers.
Member Brown moved for staff to contact Barry Crown and ask if his new
recommendation will alleviate traffic safety issues and to report on estimated costs.
The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
d) Fountain Operating Costs & Water Consumption
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Mr. Johnson said due to tl)e drought, the Interim City Manager had ordered the
fountain's water display to be limited to cascading down the steps. The geysers will
remain off until the drought subsides. Staff will monitor water use. If the fountain is
turned off, its caulking will crack and peel and the water will turn green. SWFWMD
(Southwest Florida Water Management District) does not have rules related to
fountains.
In her March 26, 2001 memorandum regarding the Entryway Fountain, Public
Works Administrator Mahshid Arasteh said annual maintenance costs total $231,730:
1) $118,330 - fountain maintenance; 2) $60,000 - electric: 3) $38,400 - water; and
4) $15,000 - electrical light maintenance. Annual water costs are based on a monthly
water consumption rate of 670,000, as reflected by December use. The fountain used
1-milliongallons in January and 1.8Mmillion in February when the fountain had to be
drained twice for inspection and repairs. Estimated water consumption for March is
estimated to be 280,000 gallons. Also landscaping maintenance of the entryway
costs $67,200 annually.
It is estimated demolishing the fountain and replacing it with landscaping would
cost $544,558: 1) $70,000 - demolition of fountain; 2) $32,800 - irrigation
installation; 3) $322,253 - fill material, palms, palm lights, specimens, shrubs,
groundcoverr St. Augustine sod and mulch; 41 $70,000 -allowance for Maintenance of
Traffic; and 5) $49,505 - 10% contingency. Staff estimates maintenance costs at
$30,000 annually.
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of the roundabout. Members disagreed on the importance of that view. Suggestions
were t.o replace the fountain with a concrete sundial, similar t.o .one in San Francisco,
.or sod and a flag. It was felt thase alternatives would become attractive nuisances.
It was suggested reclaimed water replace the potable water currently used. Mr.
Jahnsan estimated that change wauld cost $20,000, plus $100,000 to install a
grC!vity sewer line ta reraute the water back ta the plant. He reparted reclaimed water'
is extremely carrasive .on metal and cast iran grates, and estimated casts related ta
early failure of components at $300,000 ta $400,000. He said peaple, wha are
sprayed with reclaimed water, will nat get sick as it has extremely high chlorine levels.
In respanse to a question, Mr. Johnson said the fountain's pumps cast $2.1-
million and have a salvage value. It was felt remaving the fauntain and reducing
maintenance c.osts by .one-third wauld be worthwhile. In response ta a questian, Mr.
Jahnsan said the vault is .oversized ta suppart an interactive fountain .once envisi.oned
f.or the nearby park.
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It was felt the fauntain's replacement must be attractive and discaurage
pedestrians fram accessing it. Mr. Johnson said in a few months staff will determine
costs related ta the fauntain cascading water versus shaoting geysers.
It was stated the City cannot affard the high costs related ta fountain
maintenance. Oppositian to destroying the beautiful fauntain was expressed. It was
stated the fauntain is a facal point, loved by tourists. It was stated water features are
papular and appreciated world wide. It was suggested related casts could be
modified. Concern was expressed water fram the fauntain's spray not dampen the
raad and jeapardize the safety .of matarcyclists.
Member Wagonfahr maved ta recammend, that based on concerns related ta
the fauntain, the Cammission cansider madificatians the fauntain ta reduce .operating
c.ost, address safety, reduce use of potable water, and improve the sight line. The
moti.on was duly secanded.
Discussian ensued regarding site lines. It was suggested beach businesses be
surveyed and private funding to support fountain casts be investigated.
. Upan the vote being taken, Members Casey, Hamilton, Schulman, and
Waganfahr voted" Aye"; Members Bickerstaffe, Brawn, Littler, and Moran voted
"Nay." Matian failed.
Member Maran maved to recommend ta the City Commission that the fauntain
be modified ta change .only water flow, so that it cascades and that na structure
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ITEM #4 - New Business'
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Staff reported this weekend an art show is planned for Cleveland Street, a
concerl-will block Drew Street, and a volleyball tournament is planned for Pier 60. It.
was felt special' events 'are ,not needed in March. .
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ITEM #5 - Next Meeting
, The n~xt meeting date wi!" be May 7,,200'1 at 4:00 p.m.
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The meeting adjourned at 5:39 p.m.
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