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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
CITY OF CLEARWATER
November 27, 2000 .
Present:
Commissioner Ed Hart
Herb Brown
Hoyt Hamilton
David 'Hemerick
Bru,ce Littler
Arthur Lupien
Roger Schulman
Carl Wagenfohr
Bob Bickerstaffe
Bill Jonson
Absent:
Lucile Casey
Dan Moran,
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Also 'present: Mahshid Arasteh
Paul Bertels
Lt. John Slack
Gary Johnson
, . Cynthia E. Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
Facilitator/Non Voting Chair
, Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member - arrived 4: 14 p.m.
Committee Member
Committee Member
Alternate - arrived 4:30 p.m.
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Committee Member
Committee Member
Public Works Administrator
Traffic Operations Manager
Police Department
Transportation & Drainage Director
City Clerk
Board Reporter
The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. at City, Hall.
To prOVide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
ITEM '#1 - AOQroval of Minutes
Member Hamilton moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of
November 13, 2000, as submitted in written summation to each board member. The
motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
ITEM #2 - Old Business - None.
ITEM #3 - Discussion - Cost Breakdown for Each Modification
Regarding the recommendation to increase the lighting of the roundabout, Traffic
Operations Manager Paul Bertels distributed an estimate from Florida Power for installation
of'an additional 24 light poles and 48 street lights, which would increase foot candles on
the roundabout from approximately 1.75 to 4. He suggested adding a column to the
spreadsheet to list monthly costs. In additional to an initial Installation cost of $3,500,
Florida Power would charge $1, 175/month for the additions. The City currently pays
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Florida Power $1, 713/monthly for the existing 35 light poles. The total projected cost of
the lights Is $2,B8B/month.lnstallation would require lane closings.
, Mr. Bertels expressed concern the glow from floodlights from nearby buildings
directed onto on the roundabout would intrude on beach wildlife. It was suggested
floodlights would be much less expensive and could be directed away.from the beach. Mr.
Bertels suggested if the City hired a private contractor to install City-owned lights, the 'mix
of fixture ownership would cause confusion.
Public Works Administrator Mahshid Arasteh requested the Committee prioritize its
recommendations according to short-, medium-, and long-term Importance. Concern was
expressed costs for the redesign could get out of control if items, and their costs, continue
to be added. It was felt Barry Crown's recommendations are too expensive and after the
committee has done its due diligence, it should determine the roundabout needs no
changes. It was indicated the City has files of complaints. It was felt the committee
should honor input at the charettes. In response to a question, Lt. John Slack reported the
roundabout, averages 15 to 20 accidents monthly, most near Coronado.
It was suggested the projects to install a pedestrian walkway east of the fountain
and lower the fountain wall could be delayed or removed from the list. It was suggested
combining modifications to the Mandalay access to the roundabout with the Mandalay
streetscape project would save money. Design work is underway., 'Project construction
will begin in 2002. It was recommended the roundabout and streets cape projects be
':.~', coordinated. Concern was expressed changes to the Mandalay access not allow,significant
8 increases to' vehicular speeds. Discussion ensuod regarding Mandalay traffic having to '
stop, not just yield, when entering the roundabout. It was felt the interval for the traffic
signal east of the roundabout could be increased to allow more Mandalay traffic to flow
onto the roundabout. It was recommended speeding on the roundabout be monitored.
Discussion ensued regarding vehicular conflicts on the roundabout. It was suggested the
redesign will inconvenience north beach residents.
It was noted foliage on the medium has not developed suffiCiently to block
pedestrian movement. Lt. Slack suggested a fence could frame the grass near the marina
and block pedestrian movement into the road. Concern was expressed fences are not
aesthetically pleasing. Staff will provide an illustration of the suggestion. It was requested
staff provide an estimate of related costs.
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Ms. Arasteh reported the Fire Department had objected to plans to install speed
tables to slow traffic and improve pedestrian safety. The Fire Department said 6 inch-high
speed tables would reduce their response time by 2 to 3 minutes. She suggested pavers
could be installed instead. In response to a question, Ms. Arasteh said she trusts Mr.
Crown's recommendations. He had recommended a crosswalk on Causeway Boulevard to
limit the City's liability.
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Discussion ensued regarding conflicts in the Beach by Design plan related to the
proposed intra-island transportation system route between north and south beach. It was
stated earlier concerns related to the roundabout's geometry had been addressed.
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The majority of the committee recommended approval of modifying the geometry
between Mandalay's entrance,to Coronado's exit and revise the striping. '
Discussion ensued regarding pedestrian crosswalks. It was noted the
recommendation to move the crosswalks approximately 40 feet will limit the number of
vehicles backing up into the roundabout. It was stated pedestrians must wait for the light
to change at signalized crossings. Transportation & Drainage Director GarY,Johnson said
, costs related to moving the crosswalk include removal of existing pavers. Mr. Bertels said
a signalized crossing would increase congestion.
Concern was expressed the Mandalay streetscape and realignment projects must be'
coo'rdinated. It was suggested fencing would direct pedestrians to crosswalks. Concern
again was expressed the fencing would be unattractive.
The majority, of the committee recommended approval of relocating the pedestrian
crossing on Mandalay.
In response to a question, Mr. Bertels said it is estimated moving the bus stop on
rviandalay will cost $1,026. He did not know how buses will pickup passengers without
blocking traffic.
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It was recommended the Police Department begin a more vigorous enforcement of
pedestrian rights, as is done in West Coast states. It was felt Fire Department concerns
, should be considered.
ITEM #4 -' Discussion - Education Model - None.
ITEM #5 - New Business - None
ITEM #6 - Next Meetiml
Discussion ensued regarding December meetings.
Consensus was to schedule one meeting next month on December 11, 2000, at
City Hall, at 4:00 p.m.
The meeting adjourned at 5:30 p.m.
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Adjournment
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