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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CITY OF CLEARWATER
October 23, 2000
Present:
Commissioner Ed Hart
~uclle Casey
Hoyt Hamilton
David Hemerick
Bruce Littler
Arthur Lupien
. Dan Moran
Roger Schulman
Carl Wagenfohr
Bob Bickerstaffe'
Bill Jonson
Facilitator/Non Voting Chair .
Committee Member - arrived 4: 10 p.m.
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Absent: ' , ' Herb Brown
Committee Member
Also present: Mahshid Arasteh
Paul Bertels
Lt. John Slack
Cynthia E. Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
Public Works Administrator
'Traffic Operations Manager
Police Department
City Clerk
Board Reporter
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To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:00 p,m, at City Hall.
ITEM #1 - Aooroval of Minutes
Member Moran moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of October 9,
2000, as submitted in written summation to each board member, The motion was duly
seconded and carried unanimously.
ITEM #2 -' Old Business
Public Works Administrator Mahshid Arasteh said staff had forwarded to the
contractor, drawings related to proposed above and below ground changes to the
roundabout. The vault is not affected. The contractor indicated the changes would cost
,approximately $1 .3-mil/lon. He will provide a breakdown of cost estimates by November
10, 2000.
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Ms. Arasteh said Barry Crown had indicated the value of his work for the Clearwater
Beach Entryway Advisory Committee had reached $ 2,000. While he does not want to bill
the City for his assistance, he will should additional time required be significant. In
response to a quastio'n, she said he had stated 'moving the lanes away from the fountain
will minimize the psychological canyon effect on drivers.
Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels reported the City has spent $5,739.26 for
interim striping and signage changes recommended by Mr. Crown. It was requested these
costs be tracked on the spread sheet. It was stated Mr. Crown's measurements hud been
verified and found to be conservative.
ITEM #3 - Review Questions/Answers - Decide Which Ones to Review with Mr. Crown
, The committee reviewed committee questions and Mr. Crown's replies for further
discussion with him.
In response to a question, Ms. Arasteh said if the roundabout is widened too much,
drivers will be tempted to share lanes. Mr. Bertels said enlarging the rudii will cause
speeds to increase and pedestrian problems. Ms. Arasteh said moving the road,
landscaping, and utilities are expensive projects. She said travel times must be balanced
against'safety and cost concerns.
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It was felt some of Mr. Crown's answers were flippant and reflect a poor attitude
toward committee concerns. It was felt Mr. Crown's recommendation for the Mandalay
entrance will back up traffic into the residential neighborhood every weekend. It was
stated traffic will worsen after the beachfront condominium project is complete. Ms.
Arasteh said Mr. Crown had indicated Roundabouts: An Informational Guide, published by
USDOT and the Federal Highway Administration is only a gU,ide.
It was suggested the committee reach consensus regarding recommendations and
present them to the Commission along with the Crown report. It was requested staff
research if the original roundabout design included three centers. It was requested staff
assemble a committee notebook to include minutes and all handouts. Traffic counts
related to ingresslegress to Poinsettia Avenue before and after construction of the
roundabout were requested.
Ms. Arasteh reported Mr. Crown had said to be effective, a northbound bypass lane
would have to extend east of Bridge 43. It was stated prior to the roundabout, north
beach traffic flowed easily after the road widened west of Bridge 43. Ms. Arasteh said
previous traffic signals may have helped accelerate northward movement. It was stated
encouraging drivers to use a north beach parking garage would improve area economic
development. It was noted Beach byDesign recommends 5 parking garages. It was stated
a parking garage must be constructed before the new bridge is completed.
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f ',', \ layers are removed. It was recommended the committee consider changes to the fountain
as a last resort. It was noted Mr. Crown had recommended lowering the fountain to
reduce the canyon effect. As the fountain does not impair required sight distances, it was
felt the structure does not affect safety. Ms. Arasteh felt moving the lanes away from the
fountain's base would reduce driver difficulties. It was noted many charette attendees had
recommended changes to the fountain. It was stated the committee has a better
understanding of related issues than the public following presentations, discussion, and the
receipt of related information.
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It was stated many drivers fear driving on the inside lane. It was reported the
. majority of tourists who comment, praise the roundabout and the beauty of the fountain.
Few complain of any difficulties. It was felt residents perceive the roundabout as more
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complicated than it is due to overwhelming sign age and negative media coverage. Fewer
problems would occur if drivers behaved courteously. It was stated spray from the
fountain is dangerous when it drenches vehicle windshields and dampens the road. It was
requested staff obtain an estimate on modifying the fountain so that spillage onto the
., roadway no longer occurs.
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Proposals related to parking lot access were reviewed. Ms. Arasteh said
modifications may be impossible due to the parking lot's location seaward of. the CCCL
{Coastal Construction Control Une). It was noted Mr. Crown had proposed a roundabout
encircling the Days Inn in order to remove the Coronado/Gulfview signal light. Discussion
ensued regarding the proposed traffi~ pattern.
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Mr. Bertels reported the City Commission had vot~d down staff's 1986
recommendation to convert Coronado and Gulfview to one-way pairs due to strong
business community opposition. It was noted Charlie Siemon, of Siemon and Larsen,
opposes one-way pairs as he feels the traffic pattern would undermine Gulfview's
attractiveness as a resort destination.
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Discussion ensued regarding Siemon's Beach by Design recommendations to remove
gulf-front parking and realign Gulfview to attract a resort hotel. It was felt this plan
subordinates the property rights of south beach property owners to the desired hotel. It
was felt Mr. Siemon's plan would attempt to change the beach from a family to a resort
destination. It was requested staff question Mr. Siemon why one-way pairs are ineffective
for a destination resort. It was stated the parking garages will add little parking as they
must replace parking spaces to be lost along the beach front.
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Ms. Arasteh said a lighting analysis of the roundabout without the fountain lights is
planned.
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ITEM #4 - Conference call with Barrv Crown
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A conference call is planned for the beginning of next week's meeting.
Consensus was to discuss questions # 1, 4, 6, 7, 11. 18, 20, 24, 28, and 35 with Mr. Crown.
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il1~ next'meeting is ,scheduled for October 30, 2000; at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
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