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CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CITY OF CLEARWATER
October 16. 2000
Present:
Commissioner Ed Hart '
Lucile Casey
Hoyt Hamilton.
Bruce Littler'
Arthur Lupien
Dan Moran
Roger Schulman
Carl Wagenfohr
Bob Bickerstaffe
Bill Jonson
Absent:
Herb Brown
David Hemerick
Also' present: Mahshid Arasteh ,
Paul Bertels
Lt. John Slack
Cynthia E.' Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
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Committee Member - arrived 4: 15 p.m.
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Committee Member
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Public Works Administrator - arrived 4:45 p.m.
Traffic Operations Manager
, Police Department
City Clerk
Board Reporter
To provide continuity for research, items are In agenda order although not
necessarily discussed in that order.
Chair Hart called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
iTEM #1 - Approval of Minutes
Member Littler moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of October 2, ,
2000, as submitted in written summation to each board member. The motion was duly
seconded and carried unanimously.
ITEM #2 - Old Business
Roundabout Control Traffic Signal
Concern was expressed the traffic signal on the Causeway is malfunctioning and
drivers are ignoring the red light. Staff will monitor. It was requested members contact
the City during office hours should they witness a malfunction.
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ITEM #4 - Schedule 'for Roundabout Modifications Exoeriment/Coronado Exit
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Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels said he had spoken with Barry Crown since
staff had forwarded committee comments to him. It was noted the committee had
requested Mr. Crown to answer their questions in writing. Written answers to committee
questions by staff and Mr. Crown were distributed. Mr. Crown is reluctant to write
answers as he already has fulfilled his contract with the City and is addressing committee
inquiries and concerns as a favor. Discussion ensued regarding the planned conference
telephone call with Mr. Crown. Concern was expressed oral responses carinot be
reviewed. It was stated the Crown report answers 67 questions.
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Concern was expressed, while it appears the roundabout was designed around one
center, the geometry of proposed changes' creates three circles. It was stated the
roundabout is elliptical in shape. The safety of changing the radial alignments was
questioned, especially as it relates to pedestrians.' It was indicated the report only
,proposes to realign Mandalay.
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Discussion ensued regarding Mr. Crown's advice against adding a north beach lane
and recommendations such as softening curbs, and restriplng options. It was felt the Vail
roundabout, with 3-lane entries, works well because it is not striped. Ms. Arasteh said
the traffic shown in the video is light. Mr. Crown had said striping is necessary due to
capacity problems and the need to use all available space. It was noted Mr. Crown,has
recommended striping the inner 2- Y2 feet of the roundabout to keep cars away from the
fountain. As the Vail roundabout is 6 feet larger than the City's, it was requested staff
determine if the roundabout can be enlarged without increasing vehicular speeds.
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It was noted exit conflicts differ from entry conflicts. It was felt problems relate to
vehicles exiting from the left lane. Mr. Bertels said reducing the height of the fountain
would cost about $125,000. It was noted drivers can see oncoming traffic at all
entrances. It was stated drivers have a perceptual problem regarding the height of the
fountain. It was recommended major expenditures be delayed until less expensive cures
are tried. It was stated the public charette had supported lowering the fountain. It was
suggested the spray be calibrated so roundabout vehicles do not get wet. It was stated
the wind gauge should be relocated to more accurately measure wind speed.
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Mr. Bertels stated staff continues to petition FOOT (Florida Department of
Transportation) to add instructional signage east of bridge 43. It was felt a barrage of
signs overwhelms drivers approaching the roundabout. Discussion ensued regarding
signage that would help drivers negotiate the roundabout. Lt. John Slack reported the
City previously had received FOOT approval to install an electronic sign 300 feet west of
Island Way to provide traffic.related Information. He estimated a sign would cost
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$225,000. When traffic is backed up, drivers would have time to observe the sign's
directional information related to the roundabout. It was requested staff check if money is
avatlable'for the sign~
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The committee reviewed questions to ask Mr. Crown. A board member offered to
accompany staff to re.measure the roundabout. Public Works Administrator Mahshid
, Arasteh said the roundabout's size is dictated by the number of lanes on the causeway
bridge. The new bridge will create ,a new traffic pattern. The need for a beach parking
garage was stated. It was reported the first meeting for public comment related to Beach
by Design is scheduled for November 1, 2000 at the Harborview Center. It was
recommended the City convert Gulfview and Coronado to one-way pairs on a temporary
basis. It was requested staff research why the City had rejected previous attempts to
'resolve south beach traffic problems with one-way pairs.
Staff has estimated temporary changes recommended by the committee would
cost $2,600 to implement, including police services. Mr. Crown had recommended
against the temporary fixes, stating the chang~s would provide the City with a false sense
" of security and result in severe backups during Spring Break. It was felt the changes
, would be worthwhile if accidents are reduced. Lt. Slack reported 3 accidents had
occurred in the roundabout during the first 2 weeks of September. Mr. Bertels said he is
reluctant to test the committee's recommendations due to liability issues.
In response to a suggestion, Ms. Arasteh said candlesticks would not be necessary
,to direct right lane traffic onto Coronado If lane-striping is removed In the roundabout.
The dominant movement through the roundabout is from the east toward the south. Mr.
Crown has stated removing the striping would reduce capacity and increase backups.
Consensus was to table the committee's recommendations for temporary fixes.
ITEM #5 - New Business - None.
, ITEM #6 - Next MeetinQ
The next meeting is scheduled for October 23, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
Adlournment
The meeting adjourned at 5:41 p.m.
Chair
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