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. CLEARWATER BEACH ENTRYWAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CITY OF CLEARW,ATER
October 9, 2000
Present: Commissioner Ed Hart
Lucile Casey
. David Hemerick
Bruce Littler
Dan Moran
Roger Schulman
Carl Wagenfohr
Bill Jonson
Facilitator/Non Voting 'Chair
Committee Member - arrived at 4:20 p.m.
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Committee Member
Committee Member
Alternate
Absent:' Herb Brown
Hoyt Hamilton
Arthur Lupien .
Bob Bickerstaffe
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee' Member
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Also present: Mahshid Arasteh
Paul Bertels
Lt. John Slack
, Cynthia E. Goudeau
Patricia O. Sullivan
Public Works Administrator
Traffic Operations Manager
Police Department
City Clerk
Board Reporter
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, Chair Hart called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. at City Hall.
ITEM #1 - Aooroval of Minutes
Approval of the October 2, 2000 minutes was continued to October 16, 2000.
ITEM #2 - Old Business
a) Questions pertaining to Crown Report
In response to a question, Public Works' Administrator Mahshid Arasteh said cost
estimates for short- term changes recommended by Barry Crown should be available by
October 20,2000.
Members were requested to submit to Executive Assistant, Carolyn Brink in the City
Manager's office by Wednesday, all questions 'and comments related to the Crown Report.
Mr. Crown will address each concern during an upcoming conference call. .
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The dangers of multi-lane exits were stated. Concern was expressed the report
assumes most accidents in the roundabout involve vehicles that have entered from
Mandalay Avenue. It was felt drivers .are confused because traffic patterns for
ingress/egress differ at each exit. Concern was expressed the report's solutions related to
Mandalay and Coronado differ. Ms. Arasteh said the report recommends Mandalay Avenue
traffic stop before entering the roundabout. Concern was expressed the change could
back traffic on Mandalay through residential areas and affect causeway traffic. It was felt
merging into roundabout traffic from a right-angle entry would be difficult. In response to a
question, Lt. John Slack said the Police Depurtment had been successful at moving traffic
through the roundabout after the second weekend of Spring Break 2000.
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In response to a concern that traffic has backed up to Sand Key, Ms. Arasteh said
slow southbound traffic searching for parking on Gulfview backs traffic into the
roundabout, which then causes northbound backups. Lt. Slack said northbound traffic is
, heaviest in mid afternoon. It was suggested ono.way pairs on south beach and connecting
the beachfront parl<ing lots and opening access closer to the roundabout could improve
traffic flow.
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(~~ It was noted the causeway exit handles more traffic than other exits. Lt. Slack said
between 75% and 80% of northbound traffic from south beach exit to the causeway. It
was suggested any modifications would require proper signage and time for drivers to
understand the change. It was felt most drivers are taught that turning right from a left
lane is forbidden. It was felt striping on the roundabout confuses drivers.
Reducing the number of lanes to one at the Mandalay entrance to the roundabout
could save money. In response to a question, Ms. Arasteh said available software does not
consider lane backups and cannot provide a model for more than one lane of traffic
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Discussion ensued regarding the traffic signal installed on the Causeway to clear the
roundabout of traffic. While the signal is programmed to stop traffic for no more than 135
seconds at a time and not more than once every 8 minutes, committee members indicated
they had been delayed by multiple changes of the traffic signal and by signals that had
remained red as long as 6 minutes. Staff will check on this matter.
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It was stated the current Causeway entrance design is contrary to recommendations
in Roundabouts:'An Informational Guide, published by USDOT and the Federal Highway
Administration. Concern was expressed proposed changes to roundabout entries will alter
the current radial alignment. It was stated the guide does not support this design as it will
allow drivers to enter the roundabout at a higher speed with less control. It was felt
proposed changes for Mandalay seem more focused on saving money by bypassing the
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fountain's vault rather than for safety concerns, which should be paramount. Ms. Arasteh
said the recommended change would move the Manda/ay entrance closer to the Coronado
exit. It was stated the guide rates right-angle entries as unacceptable. Concern was
expressed drivers would be required to look over their shoulders to check traffic before
entering the roundabout. It was noted It is difficult for some residents to make that
physical movement. Ms. Arasteh said during the conference call, Mr. Crown will explain
his recommendations. .
It was stated c,hanges should be tried before they are made permanent. It was
suggested some changes could be tried during the Thanksgiving holidays through use of
temporary signage, candlesticks to guide traffic; and removable lane tape. It was felt no
changes should be implemented prior to the Jazz Holiday on October 19 - 22, 2000. It
was'requested staff calculate the percentage of traffic that enters the roundabout off
Mandalay and exits onto Coronado. In response to a suggestion, it was noted staff does
not. request City Commission approval of road initiatives but is prepared to explain any
proposed changes. Traffic Operations Manager Paul Bertels reported staff can make
temporary changes overnight and carefully watch the morning traffic. If problems result,
staff will not hesitate to reverse the changes.
It was suggested the public be notified through press releases and government cable
of temporary changes before they occur and that the public be educated that a final
decision will not be made until data is collected. Consensus was for these avenues of
notification to be pursued. .
Ms. Arasteh said staff could narrow the Mandalay entrance to one lane on a
temporary basis. It was felt that proposal should not be considered until other options are
explored. It was indicated changing the signal light's pattern could help move traffic off
north beach. It was suggested right lane traffic could be forced to exit onto Coronado. It
was recommended staff evaluate the pros and cons of committee recommendations. It
WilS suggested temporary changes be videotaped for review and that measurements be
established. Staff will evaluate the results of the changes and report to the committee.
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As the button is not activated on the Mandalay Avenue crosswalk, staff was
requested to make pedestrians aware of that fact. In response to a question, staff will
review if hourly statistics indicate the roundabout is operating above capacity during the
three highest volume days between 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. .
In response to a question, Lt. Slack will check details related to a recent accident
after a northbound vehicle exiting at Poinsettia was struck by a vehicle that had just
entered the roundabout from the causeway. Neither driver was cited.
In reference to the last paragraph on page 13, it was recommended educational
material include information regarding problems related to vehicles driVing side by side.
Regarding paragraph 2, page 15, it was felt the radius at Mandalay should be expanded,.
not reduced. It was suggested the fountain be replaced with a reflecting pond. It was
noted the Beach by Design report recommends removing most beachfront parking. Ms.
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It was stated long term plans must be considered. It was questioned if the City can
afford to Improve aesthetics at the cost of removing parking. It was suggested the City
could offer an incentive to visitors who park on the mainland and use public transportation
to the beach. It was stated an 'earlier attempt to involve beach merchants in a similar
incentive program had be'en unsuccessful. It was suggested the ferry drop passenge'rs at
both the Clearwater Beach Recreation Center and at the Marina. It was felt few vh:litors
would take the ferry if north beach is the only destination.
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ITEM #3 - Combined Crown Report and Charette Summarv Handout
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ITEM #4 - New Business
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The committee reviewed videotape of the Vail roundabouts.
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It was noted the lanes in the Colorado roundabouts are not striped. It was noted
the roundabouts are 6-feet wider than Clearwater's roundabout. It was suggested striping
in roundabouts provides drivers with a false sense of security.
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The next meeting is scheduled for October 16, 2000; at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall.
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The meeting adjourned at 5:42 p.m.
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