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June 10,. 1998
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Appeal of Development Code Adjustment Board's decision regarding:
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A court reporter attended this meeting. The Final Order (1 5 pages), transcript (1 51 pages)
& Word Index (42 pages) is on paper (until microfilmed) In the Hearing Officer minutes
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ttearing Officer upheld the DCA~'s decision which granted variances t,o Curry
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FRED HEINIGE;" IRENE HEINIGE;
,FELICE F. SALERNI; VELDA A.
SALERNI; HARRY ANGELIDES;
HELEN ANGELIDES; and DANIEL
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MARIA A. CURRY and.CITY OF
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On June 10, 1998, a final hearing was held in this case in
Clearwater, Florida" before J.Lawrence Johnston, Administrative
Law Judge, Division of Administrative Hearings.
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APPEARANCES
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For, Appellants:
John R. Haggitt, Esquire
300 Turner Street
Clearwater, Florida ,33756
For Respondent
Maria:. A. Curry:
Julia Galpin, Broker/Realtor
. . 754 Belcher Road North
Clearwater, Florida 33765
Don A. Brinson, Broker
Brinson Realty
326 Belcher Road North
Clearwater, Florida 33765
For Respondent. .
City'of Clearwater:
Leslie K. Dougall-Sides
Assistant City Attorney
City Attorney's Office
City of Clearwater
Post Office Box 4748
Clearwater, Florida 33758
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STATEMENT OF THE ISSUES
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The issues in this appeal are whether the decisions of the
City Development Code Adjustment Board in granting two separation
variances for a Level I group care facility (the Board's Case
No. V 98-31) are sustained by the evidence.
PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
Maria A. CUrry filed an application for the two separation
variances for a proposed group care facility on or about
February 18, 1998. The matter was duly noticed for hearing and
presented to the Development Code Adjustment Board at its meeting
of March 26, 1998, when it was heard and approved with
conditions. Irene Heinege and two other non-appellants 'appeared
at the Board hearing and presented objections to the application;
in addition a written petition of objection was submitted.
On April 8, 1998, the Appellants timely filed a Notice of
Appeal with the City Clerk for the City of Clearwater. Under
Section 36.065 of the City of Clearwater Land Development Code
(the Code), the appeal was forwarded to the Division of
Administrative Hearings on April 17, 1998, along with a copy of
most of the record of the proceedings below. After the filing of
responses to the Initial Order in the case, a Notice of Hearing
was issued on May 13, 199B, scheduling final hearing on June la,
1998.
At final hearing, the record of the proceedings below was
supplemented to supply omitted portions, and the tapes, minutes
and exhibits from the Development Code Adjustment Board
proceeding were received into evidence. The Appellants called
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three witnesses and had Appellants' Exhibits 1 and 2 admitted
into evidence. The City called one witness and had City Exhibits
1 through 4 admitted in evidence. The Applicant called one
witness and had Applicant's Exhibit 1 admitted into evidence.
Additionally, the Administrative Law Judge took administrative
notice/official recognition of a number of sections of the City's
Code of Ordinances.
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After the presentation of the evidence, the City ordered the
preparation of a transcript of the final hearing, and the parties
were given'15 days to file proposed final orders. The transcript
was filed on June 22, 1998.
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. The Applicant, Maria A. Curry, is the owner of real
.~ property in the City of Clearwater zoned RMB. The property is
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improved with a triplex, and is ,addressed as 1B23-1827 East
Drive. The-property is within a cluster of fourteen triplexes.
The rear of the property abuts a single-family residential zoning
district.
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2. Julia E. Galpin, a broker/realtor, is the authorized
representative of the owner for purposes of the variance
application. Jill Vasile proposes to purchase the subject
property and to use it following purchase as a Group Care Level I
Living Facility. Under Section 40.123(7) of the City's Land
Development Code, such use is permitted as of right in the RM8
zoning district. However, Code Section 41.201(6) requires a
minimum 500' separation from any single-family residential zone
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group care facility. Because the Applicant's property is only
20' .from a. single-family residential zone and only 740' from an
existing family care living facility, separation variances of
480' and 460', respectively, are required.
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3. Curry did not testify at either the Board hearing or the
final hearing. However, Galpin and Vasile testified at both the
Board hearing and the final hearing. They indicated at the Board
hearing that the facility would house up to fourteen elderly
persons, that the proposed residents would not be mentally ill or
suffer from Alzheimer's disease or other dementia but would
require some assistance in activities of daily living, and that
an existing six-foot fence to the sides and rear of the property
would be maintained.
4. The Staff Report, prepared by John Richter, found that
"conditions support approval of these var'iances.ll It found that
the proposed use appeared to satisfy the purposes of the
separation requirement, that it would integrate well with the
triplexes, and that the existing care facility was situated in a
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different neighborhood. Staff concluded that lithe proposed group
care use should not adversely impact.this area.1I
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S. The matter was presented to the Development Code
Adjustment Board and the Board considered the matter at some
length at its meeting of March 26, 1998.. By a vote of 5-0, the
Board appr?ved the separation variance from the existing Family
Care Living Facility, subject to the following conditions:
1. Variance based on variance application
and documents submitted by applicant,
including maps, plans, surveys, and other
documents submitted in support of the
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applicant's variance request. Deviation from
any of the above documents submitted in
. support of the variance request regarding
work to be done to the site or to any
physical structure on the site will result in
this variance being null and of no effect;
2. Requisite building permits shall be
. obtained within one year from the date of
this public hearing;
3. Within 60 days after issuance of the
occupational license, landscaping shall be
installed along East Drive and on the
perimeter of the parking lot. prior to
installation, a landscape plan shall be
submitted to the City's Environmental
Official and shall be subject to approval by
the Official. Failure to maintain the
landscaping in a healthy condition shall void
the variances.
By a vote of 3-2, the Board approved the separation variance from
a, single-family residential zone, with the same conditions~
Condition Number 3 was designed to address concerns of the
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6. The proposed project is located in an area of somewhat
mixed land use. Existing land uses near the subject property
include multifamily dwellings, apartments, and condominiums to
the south and southwest, a shopping center one block to the west,
and single-family residences to the west, north, and
east/southeast.
7. Appellant Irene Heinege has heard from neighbors of the
nearby existing facility that its residents wander, but she has
no personal knowledge regarding this. Ms. Heinege herself has
rented units in her triplex to families with children who make
some noise.
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8. Athanell King, owner of the property located at
1808 Sharondale Drive, testified as a witness for the Appellants
(although she stated that she was present as a participant in the
public hearing). She objected to the proposed use as a business
concern but had no specific opinion regarding effect upon her
proper~y value.
9. There is a need.for a group care facility in the area,
and the proposed facili.ty would assist in meeting that need. The
prospective purchaser plans to continue to live in a triplex she
owns across the street from the proposed facility and will be
available for supervision. The property could readily be gated
to prevent wandering residents. No physical conflict or fighting
among residents is anticipated. Four to six employees will be
hired. Vehicle ownership by residents is not anticipated.
10. Property values in the area for income property are
stable. For housing property, values have increased .in recent
years as reflected in the Pinellas County Property Appraiser'S
just value, assessed value, and market value figures for several
parcels. It.is not clear from the evidence whether property
values in the area surrounding the existing group care facility
have been affected by its location there.
11. The City's code enforcement office has received no
complaints regarding any already existing group home facilities
within. the City of Clearwater..
12. Under the City's Housing Code, up to ten persons could
legally occupy each of the two smaller units of the subject
property, and up to seventeen persons could legally occupy the
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'1 larger unit, for a total of thirty-seven persons; this lawful use
would create substantially more in~act than would the proposed
group home use.
13. The City's Senior Planner, John Richter, was accepted
as an expert witness in municipal planning. He opined that the
application met all four criteria for variance approval contained
in Code Section 45.24. First, he op~ned that special
circumstances exist in that the triplexes are different in
character from surrounding uses and themselves constitute a
separate community or neighborhood; therefore, the purpose of the
Code in not 'overburdening anyone neighborhood is met.
Additionally, the existing fence provides a physical barrier and
buffer from adjoining properties, and the triplex is located in
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the middle of the' development.
Second, the proposed use is a
reasonable one which would be denied if the Code were stri.ctly
enforced. Third, he opined that the Applicant was motivated by
factors other than material gain in that testimony at the Board
hearing and at the Final Hearing indicated a desire to provide
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housing for the elderly. Finally, .l1e opined that the granting of
the variances would be in harmony with the general purpose and
intent of the Code and comprehensive plan. Mr. Richter's opinion
testimony was not rebutted by the Appellants, but the Appellants
questioned the soundness of his opinions in light of the
applicable Code provisions.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
14. Under Section 36.065(6) of the City of Clearwater Land
(.) Development Code (the Code):
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(a) The hearing officer shall review the
record and testimony presented at the hearing
~efore the board and the hearing officer
relative to the guidelines for consideration
of . . . variances as contained in . . .
chapter 45. . . . Although additional
evidence may be brought b~fore the hearing
officer, the hearing shall not be deemed a
hearing de novo, and the record before the
board shall be incorporated into the record
before the hearing officer, supplemented by
such additional evidence as may be brought
before the hearing officer.
(b) The hearing officer shall be guided by
the city comprehensive plan, relevant
portions of this Code and established case
law.
,(c) The burden shall be upon the appellant
to show that the decision of the board cannot
be sustained by the evidence before the board
and before the hearing officer, or that the
decision of the board departs from the
essential requirements of law.
All procedural requirements relating to the application, hearing
process, and, appeal p~ocess were met in this case. The
Appellants argue that lithe decision of the Board cannot be
sustained by the evidence before the board and before the hearing
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15. Section 45.24 of the Code provides:
A variance shall not be granted unless the
application and evidence presented clearly
support all of the following conclusions:
(1) There are special circumstances related
to the particular physical surroundings,
shape or topographical conditions applicable
to the land or buildings, and such
circumstances are peculiar to such land or
buildings and do not apply generally to the
land or buildings in the applicable zoning
district.
(2) The strict application of the provisions
of the code would deprive the applicant of
the reasonable use of the land or buildings. '
(3) The variance is not based exclusively
upon a desire for economic or other .material
gain by the applicant or owner.
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(4) The granting of the variance will be in
harmony with the general purpose and intent
of the ,land development oode and
comprehensive plan and will not be materially
injurious to surrounding properties or
otherwise detrimental to the public welfare.
(Emphasis added.)
The Appellants argue that the evidence before the board and
before the hearing officer cannot sustain the board's decision
that the application for variances' clearly support all four
conclusions set out in Code Seotion 45.24.
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16. As to the first criterion for a variance, the evidence
supports the conclusion that circumstances of the Applicant1s
property are special and peculiar because the triplexes on East
Drive are different in character from surrounding uses and
themselves constitute a separate community or neighborhood;
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neighborhood would not overburden anyone neighborhood even
though there is a group care facility on Sharondale Drive. Also,
there is a fence providing a physical barrier and buffer between
the Applicant's triplex and the adjoining single-family
residential property located behind it, and the Applicant's
triplex is located in the middle of the street so that it is the
maximum possible street distance from the adjoining
n~~dghborhoods .
17. As to the second criterion for a variance, the evidence
supports the conclusion that I1strict application of the
provisions of the code would deprive the applicant of the
reasonable use of the land or buildings. 11 By virtue of Code
(.) Section 40.123(7), making a Level I group care facility a
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permitted use in an RM8 zoning distict, such a facility is a
reasonable'use of the Applicant1s property. This use is limited
by the separation requirements of Code Section 40.201(6).
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18. The Appellants contend that the second criterion was
not met because the Applicant would not be deprived of all
reaso~able use of the property without the granting of the
. variances in question. Clearly, the current use is reasonabl,e,
and the separation requirements of Code Section 40.201(6) do not
deprive the Applicant of the current use of the property. If the
Applicant were required to demonstrate hardship in order to
obtain the variances in que~tion, she would have to prove
deprivation of all reasonable, beneficial use of the property.
See Nance v. Town of Indialantic, 419 So. 2d 1041 (Fla. 1982);
Maturo v. City of Coral Gables, 619 So. 2d 455 (Fla. 3d DCA
1993); Herrera v. City of Miami, 600 So. 2d 561 (Fla. 3d DCA
1992); Metropolian Dade v. Betancourt, 559 So. 2d 1237 (Fla. 3d
. DCA 1990).. But hardship is not part of the second criterion, and
it is not required that an applicant for a variance prove
deprivation of all reasonable, beneficial use in order to obtain
a variance under Code Section 45.24.
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19. This case is distinguishable from other cases where
variances have been denied because the Code limitation in
question did not deprive the applicant of the reasonable use of
land or buildings. In the Final Order entered in Koumoulidis v.
City of Clearwater, Division of Administrative Hearings (DOAH)
Case No. 95-1359, on June 23, 1995, the denial of an application
for variances from minimum lot width and mi.nimum clear space
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variances would not be "bas17d exclusively upon a desi.re for
economic or other material gain by the applicant or ownerll is
problematic. The Applicant is selling her property and never
testified, either before the Board or at the final hearing.
However, there clearly was evidence to support the conclusion
that the prospective purchaser of the property is motivated by a
desire' to provide housing for the elderly and not just by a
desire for economic or other material gain. While not now the
"owner," Mrs. Vasile soon would become the owner of the property
if the variance is granted. It is concluded that, for purposes
V of Section 45.24.(3), the evidence supported. the Board's
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conclusion that the variances would not be "based exclusively
upon a desire for economic or other material gain by the
applicant.or owner."
21. As to the fourth criterion for a variance, the granting
of the variances would be in harmony with. the general purpose and
intent of the Code and comprehensive plan.
22. The City of Clearwater's Comprehensive Plan, Housing
Element, contains the following relevant Goals, Objectives.' and
policies:
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Goal 13. It is a goal of the City of
Clearwater that the residential environment
will consist of an affordable variety of
standard housing units in decent and safe
neighborhoods.
Objective 13.1. Objective for Group Homes
and Foster Care Facilities--Continue to
provide zoning and land use regulations which
allow the establishment of group homes and
foster care facilities in stable neighborhood
locations which will not adversely impact
existing residents.
. .Policy 13.5.2. Encourage and assist human
services agencies and other community groups
in developing special living facilities at a
level appropriate to, Clearwater's population
and needs.
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Policy 13.5.3. Include a separation
requirement in the Land Development Code to
effect. broad dispersion of group homes and
the avoidance of unstable, low income
neighborhoods and commercial/industrial
fringe neighborhoods.
The proposed variances would be in accordance with and further
these Goals, Objectives, and Policies.
23. Code Section 41.201(6), referring to the group care
facility separation requirements, provides that II [t]he purpose of
this separation criterion is to further the objective of
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environment and thus to avoid the undue concentration of such
facilities that would adversely impact an individual neighborhood
and ultimately defeat the end objective of providing for such
special living facilities. II The proposed variances would be in
harmony with the purpose and intent of this Code provision.
24. The Appellants did not demonstrate that granting the
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variances in question will have an adverse impact upon them or
their property values. Appellants' opinions were based upon
unsupported fears that elderly neighbors will create adverse
neighborhood conditions. Such persons can now reside in the
neighborhood as of right as owners or tenants of the triplex
units.
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25. .Uncorroborated lay opinion regarding property values
and speculation as to possible adverse neighborhood effects of a
particular use are not conclusive. Lay opinion evidence
unsupported by other competent evidence is insufficient to
support denial of a conditional use or special exception
application. See City of Apopka v. Orange County, 299 So. 2d 657
(Fla. 4th DCA 1974) (denial of special exception reversed where
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based on unsubstantiated lay opinion unsworn and not subject to
cross-examination).' Land use decisions are to be based upon
compliance with the applicable criteria for approval rather than
popularity ,of the proposed use among neighbors. Conetta v. Ci~
of Sarasota, 400 So. 2d 1051 (Fla. 2d DCA 1981) (denial of special
exception based on IIpopularity pollll reversed); Pollard v. Palm
~ Beach County, 560 So. 2d 1358 (Fla. 4th DCA 1990) (same). See
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DCA 1993) (variance denied where only evidence in support were
letters from neighbors who did not object) .
.26. ,Any potential adverse effects are mitigated by the
. conditions which the Board placed upon approval, specifically the
landscaping requirement; approval can be revoked for
noncompliance. The existing fence, while not a condition of
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Law, the appeal is denied, and the variance application is
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The DeSoto Building
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Fax Filing (SSO) 921-6847
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this 6/'1-- day of July, 1998.
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court.' See Section 36.065(6) (g), City'of Clearwater Land
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DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
FRED HEINIGEi IRENE HEINIGEi
. FELICE F. SALERNli VELDA A.
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HELEN ANGELIDES; and DANIEL
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CASE NO. 98-1887
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J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
JUNE 10, 1998
9:38 A.M. 12:55 P.M.
CITY HALL
CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE
THIRD FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM
112 SOUTH OSCEOLA AVENUE
CLEARWATER, FLORIDA
VANESSA A. DURHAM
NOTARY PUBLIC
STATE OF FLORIDA AT LARGE
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915 CHESTNUT STREET
CLEARWATER, FLORIDA 34616
(813) 468-2002
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IRENE HEINIGE,
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Cross by Ms. Dougall-sides . 28
Redirect by Mr. Brinson . . . . .. 33
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Redirect by Mr. Haggitt . .'. . . . . 70
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Cross by Mr. Brinson . . . . . . . . . 96
Cross by Mr. Haggitt . . . . . . .. 99
Redirect by Ms. Dougall-sides . . . . 113
Recross by Mr.' Haggit't ..' . 114
Recross by Mr. Brinson ..... 114
GILLIAN VASILE,
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THE ,COURT: Mr Haggitt.
MR. HAGGITT: I'm right here.
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that's repr~senting the buyer.
THE COURT: Okay.' Any objection to that?
MR. HAGGITT: I would object as his being a
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We're here for the case entitled -- I'm probably
going to get some pronunciations wrong here, Fred
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MR. HAGGITT: Heinige.
THE COURT: And Irene Heinige, Felice F.
Salernii Velda A. Salerni, Harry Angelides, Helen
Angelides and Daniel Fernandez, who are the
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appearances on behalf of the applicant?
MR. HAGGITT: My name is John Haggitt. I'm
the attorney for the appellants who are adjacent
property owners in the actual district affected
and the adjoining single-family residential
district.
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MS. GALPIN: Ilm Julia Galpin, broker, and"
this property is my listing, therefore I'm
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MR. HAGGITT: The applicants object to the
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MS. GALPIN: I would like to say that
Mr. Haggitt wasnlt at the hearing and I was. And
therefore, since Mr. Brinson wasnlt at the
hearing, I think that makes an equal.
MR. HAGGITT: If Mr. Brinson was an attorn~y
I would agree with her but he's not.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: The City would have no
objection.
THE COURT: 1111 overrule the objection and
I'll allow Mr. Brinson to also speak on behalf of
the applicant at this proceeding.
MS. GALPIN: Thank you.
THE COURT: I believe the first order
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of business at thes'e proceedings would he for me
to receive the tape of the prior proceeding before
the Code ,Adjustment Board along with the minutes
of that meeting, all of which have been
transmitted with the referral letter from the City
. to the Division. of Administrative Hearing.
So 1-- at this time, I will receive all of
those items in evidence at this proceeding.
MR. HAGGITT: Did the City forward to you '
the exhibits? That was not referenced in the copy
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petition itself appears to be dated March 25th~
MR. HAGGITT: I don't know why it got date
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THE COURT REPORTER: Back on the record.
THE COURT: No, I don't have page 11.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: I would sub~it page 11.
which is -- at the top of the page, the remainder
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THE COURT: Very good. Without objection,
I'll receive that as well as a part of the
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MR. ,HAGGITT: Yes, sir.
mS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes.
MR. HAGGITT: Just for the record, Leslie,
do you have an objection if I provide the
appropriate code sections during my opening, if we
do it that way, so the Judge has the appropriate
code sections on hand or do you want me to do that
during my case in chief?
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MR. HAGGITT: I will provide them so he has
some right at hand. That's not a problem.
Again, my name is John Haggitt. I represent
the appellants in this case. Fred and Irene
'Heinige own a triplex which is one building
removed from the subject property. I also '
represent Velda Salerni and Harry Angelides and
his wife Helen who are adjacent single-fam~ly
residence owners.
The Angelides own the single-family home
that is immediately behind the triplex in
question. So it is an adjacent 'property in the
single-family residential zone.
The triplex in question is under contract,
as you've heard. So basically, the applicant is
the prospective purchaser of the property. And
the property now is being used as a rental. It's
again, a triplex. There are three rental units on
. the property. I think, traditionally, the
properties in this area, there are 14 triplexes in
this area. Seven on each side of the street.
And these seven triplexes, some of them are
used totally as rentals. I think I'm safe and
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separation of 500 feet from a single-family
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provision. I'll give the Judge a copy of the
Clearwater code that applies to this particular
use of the property.
The hearing was held before the Board and
the Board granted both variances. The first
variance as to the separation from a single-family
residential district was approved by a three to
two vote with,the descending Board members finding
that there was no justification for such a
variance, such a great variance. '
The second, the separation from the
of the other group home was approved by a 5 toO
vote. The position of the applicants -- and just
to back up, the Board made its recommendations and
voted based on a conclusion with no argument and
no discussion that the applicant met the
requirements of section 45.24 of the Clearwater
Code of Ordinances which is the section that sets
forth the standards for approval of a variance.
The position of the appellants that I
represent here today, including the people that
signed the petition opposing this proposed
variance, is that the appl~cant did not in fact
meet the standards of approval set forth by
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THE COURT: Ms. Dougall.-sides, you may make
your opening statements.
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have indicated, there were two variances granted
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that will reflect the objections of the appellants
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were based more on their personal opinions than
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Board of adverse affects upon .tha neighborhood.
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of the hearing which is in the record reflects
this. The appellants submitted no evidence below
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For the applicant, two realtors testified on
her behalf that there was a need in the area for
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not -- would be elderly, ambulatory persons. The
applicant agreed on the record that they would not
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take mental health cases, that they would not take
younger or disturbed clients, as they put it.
We had a City staff member, Mr. Richter, who
is very experienced in reviewing these
applications, who prepared a staff report
recommending approval of the application. His
testimony was unrebutted. He opined that the use
was compatible with the neighborhood, that it
would not generate additional traffic. The
application had been circulated to other City
departments, engineering, landscaping, traffic and
so forth. It did not receive any adverse comments
from them.
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met parking requirements and had the Department of
Elder Affair's approval pending a fire inspection,
which seemed to be the only necessary licensing
left to get.
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parking area, which we contend was reasonable and
inserts to buffer the use from the neighborhood.
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criteria set forth in section 45.24 were met. The
City will present Mr. Richter's testimony on that
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Under the code section 36.065, which governs
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review contemplated of the action below. And the
burden of proof in this proceeding is on the
appellants to show that the decision of the Board
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variance at this location.
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THE COURT: Thank you. Any opening
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statements from the applicant.
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MR. BRINSON: Yes. On behalf of the
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applicant ,we would like to reiterate what the City
attorney and staff has emphasized. The fact that
even though I was not present at the time of the
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hearing, I have reviewed the testimony that was
given at that particular time, and I feel .the
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personal opinion more 80 than fact in regards to
their concerns with the neighborhood.
We will be able to show specific
neighborhood criteria or data that truly shows
that in other areas, where present, facilities
that are similar to this one exists right now and
in no way has market value of properties been
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affected at all. Changing of neighborhood has not
been affected. And the fact that if one went and
drove down the street of other ACLF facilities, it
would fit in right with the neighborhood itself
and you really could not even see a difference
from an outward appearance. So the changing of
the neighborhood is not a concern.
Other than that, I feel that we can
proceed.
, THE COUF.T: All right., Thank you. Do you
have evidence you wish to present?
MR. HAGGITT: I have some evidence I wish to
present in addition to what you've already
received. I call as I my first witness, Irene
Heinige.
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THE COURT: Would you raise your right
2 hand to be sworn.
3, IRENE D. HEINIGE,
4 WAS CALLED AND AFTER BEING DULY SWORN WAS EXAMINED AND
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6 DIRECT EXAMINATION
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Irene, . could you please state your full name
My full name is Irene D. Heinige.
And 'your residence address?
Eighteen
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East Drive, Clearwater.
And that property would be one property
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Are you on the same side of the street?
Pardon me?
Are you on the' same side of the street?
Yes.
I'm going to show you the map that was made
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Is this an accurate representation of the
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That 'indicates that there are seven lots' where
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15 A Well, they differ in the two bedroom center.
16 Q Ilm saying the real estate where
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MR. HAGGITT: I request that this map be
received as the next numbered exhibit. And if you
can
THE COURT: It's actually -- it's already in
evidence having been received, as part of the
materials that you referred.
MR. HAGGITT: You need to note that that is
in fact the map that we are referring to.
THE COURT: Yes.
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Mrs. Heinige, live got pictures of seven
excuse me, six of the seven triplexes that are on East
Drive. And these triplexes will start from the north and
work to the south based on the numbers that are on the
back of them.
Number one will be the northern most triplex
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Q Number five is -- that is your unit, is that
correct?
A This is yours. This is the next one. This is
the one that's up for sale.
Q That's the applicant's unit which would be
A Yes.
Q -- number three?
A Right. I think this belongs here. This -- is
that the doctor?
MS. TARI: No, that's her place.
THE DEPONENT: Pardon me?
MS. TARI: That's her place there.
THE DEPONENT: Oh, no, that's not. That's
across the street then.
THE COURT: Why donlt we go off the record
and then -- we can go off the record and
straighten those off and then go on the record.
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record) .
MR. HAGGITT: Do these photographs represent
the triplexes --
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Do these triplexes represent those triplexes
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Yes. I think this is the doctor's apartment.
Could you please tell me or tell the Judge who
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Oh, I did.
And when did you take them?
I think it was Sunday.
Okay. I request that these six photographs be
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excuse me" the north.
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southern most triplex on East Drive, with one
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triplex not being included. That would the --
THE DEPONENT: The Bradford.
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MR. HAGGITT: Number one is the northern
. most triplex. And I believe number three is the
applicant's property.
THE COURT: Let's go off the record again
and make sure we get this straight.
MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, could they
identify them on --
THE COURT:. Yeah, that's what -- tieing them
to the lot number.
(At this time a discussion was held
off the record.
THE COURT: Back on the record then. Any
other questions, voir dire concerning the
exhibits?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: No, sir.
MR. BRINSON: I would just like to ask her
why lot number 11 did not have a picture taken of
it.
THE DEPONENT: Because the man does not take
care of his property. It is a mess.
MR. BRINSON: It's a mess.
THE COURT: Any objection to those pictures
being in evidence? Without objection, they'll be
received. For the record, it is a Composite
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the proceeding that shows where the applicant's
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MR. HAGGITT: I request this be received as
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THE DEPONENT: Divides the triplex.
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would be out of the variance stage. Let's see.
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rent the two side by side.
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MR. HAGGITT: I' donlt have any other
questions, Mrs. Heinige.
THE. COURT: Any cross-examination?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes, just briefly, your
'. Honor.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
Q Mrs. Heinige, you are actually trustee for a
living trust, is that correct?
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Pardon me?
Q . Are you trustee for a living trust regarding
your property?
A Yes.
Q And your husband is Fred Heinige?
A Right.
Q And he circulated the petition which
the -- your officer has
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3 Q Do you rent the other two units of yours?
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5 Q And what -- do you rent to families?
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The single lady is 36 and the other couple,
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wandering is based more on people telling you that?
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A Right.
Q -- collecting the signatures?
A And also visiting a facility there.
THE COURT: Anybody know what that means.
MR. HAGGITT: I would guess it would means
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BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
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Now, Mrs. Heinige, I believe you stated you
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Did any of the families have children?
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MR. HAGGITT: For the record, if I can
object. The basis for the complaint is the
failure of the Board to follow its own 'code
provisions. I think it's an improper attempt here
to shift the burden of proof. Just for the
record, I think there are technical objections to
the codes, just so we're not -- we don't
misunderstand what we're here for.
We're here basically because the Board
didn't' follow the requirements of the code in
determining whether or not a variance should be
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MR. HAGGITT: Here's the green light and
here's your street.
THE DEPONENT: Thanks. Is that what he --
MR. HAGGITT: He wants you to --
MR. BRINSON: I would like ,for you to show
me, please, if you do not mind, what lot or what
property on there is the existing ACLF.
THE'DEPONENT: That I own?
MR. HAGGITT: No. He's talking about the
existing group home.
THE DEPONENT: That's on Sharondale. Now
where is that? Sharondale.
MR. HAGGITT: Here's Sharondale right here.
THE DEPONENT: Is it third house in on the
left-hand side?
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is, he's asking you to give your answer the best
you can, you know. If you can't, that's your
answer.
THE DEPONENT: Of where the house is?
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belief, if you can.
THE DEPONENT: Either the third or the
fourth house to the left as you go towards Linwood
where Sunset oil used to own.
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Can you tell me, based upon your personal
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15 earlier that you do not live on Sharondale.
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18 front or tell me.what the house looks like? Does it stand
19 out like something as an institution?
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I want to ask you the questions.
A No, there's not many cars. However, there are
not maI1Y patients there. I was in there twice. If he or
she -- the day I was in, there was an elderly lady, 95, on
the first floor. There was a gentleman in the center of
the house, sitting, gazing into space, poor guy. And I
heard another lady from some other bedroom.
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upstairs. So when I went in, I said that I was I
fibbed a bit. . I said I was looking to place an ad and I
might be interested in this place. But I said my aunt
would not want to be upstairs. He said we don't have an
upstairs anymore. He said we use that as living quarters.
I guess the state got after them because theI'e was no way
of getting down in case of a fire.
Q It's your testimony then that you would not
object to having an aunt in an ACLF?
A I only went there and fibbed to find out what
was going on. I asked them how often the state came 'for
inspection, twice a year.
Q If you would fib to these property owners
there to get in to have a look, would you fib on something
else?
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Q Well, I think --
A I couldn't say could I inspect your operation.
Q Illl withdraw that question, ma'am. Asking in
regards to how the outward appearance o'f the building
was
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Q Was there a reason
A Another thing, the man across the street when
I was getting the petition, he said that the pool has been
empty for a long, long time. So I went over there. ~ell,
they must have gotten enough complaints and they put water
in it. Can you, imagine an elderly person getting out
there and falling in that cement.
Q Ilm not sure where
A There was no water in the pool. . They had
drained it and left it empty. By the time I got there,
they had put water in it.
Q So from an outward appearance, the house also
basically looks like it fits in, am I correct?
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3 that there was a reason that you did not take a picture
4 of,' I think, lot 11 because you said that it was a mess
5 and shotty, as well, on your street?
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Now, where is that in relationship to where
Four houses up.
Four houses up?
Uh-huh. He's been notified that he's got to
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Half and half. Half young and half old.
When you say old, how old? What age are
Sixty, seventy. Uh-huh.
Okay. So you had mentioned earlier that you
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If you took ill, would you like those services
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THE DEPONENT: First name?
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16 add to this hearing? Again, I did not know you were going
17 to be here so you have, based on the notice the City sent
18 you, the right to make your position known.
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I wonder if I might read a statement. that my
husband and I came up with. We weren't notified of the
21 first hearing. Mrs. Heinige made us aware. We signed the
22 petition but we had already had a business appointment out
23 of town. So we couldn't come.
24 Q So what would you like the Judge to hear as
2S 'far as your opinion as a resident on Sharondale where the
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3 husband and I have been homeowners on Sharondale for 25
4 years and we're just one block east of the proposed ALP.
5 In the years, that we've lived on Sharondale, we've seen
6 some good changes, but also some disturbing changes.
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10 Kenesaw. Now, recently a third one has opened on East
11, Street without notice being given to us and now a fourth
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Assisted living facilities are needed, but why
not have an even distribution throughout the city so that
no one neighborhood bear the brunt of the problems that an
over abundance of these residential businesses bring.
MR. HAGGITT: I don't have any other
questions of Ms. King.
THE COURT: Anything, cross-examination?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes. First, I would
just note that Ms. King appears to be here as a
member of the public. These hearings do receive a
public notice in,addition to being provided to .the
parties.
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called as a witness for the appellant.
MR. HAGGITT: I called her just to give her
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that appeared as a result of the notice that was
sent out. I just learned of her being here at the
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speak, I introduced her in that manner.
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MR. HAGGITT: I don't have any objection to
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Ms. King, you said you were not present at the
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6 husband's signature on the first page. Can you direct me
7 to your signature?
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: No further questions.
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16 CROSS-EXAMINATION
17. BY MR. BRINSON:'
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Ms. King, you stated that there were other
19 ACLFs in the area, am I correct?
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Can I draw your attention to the overall area.
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MR. BRINSON: If I could just let the record
reflect that out of the size of this, it's not in
this section. It's in a
it's even further east
from Keene Road which is in -- actually --
THE DEPONENT: It's one street up. One
street removed.
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All right. So it's outside. would you show
21 me the others, please?
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23 which I agree with Mrs. Heinige is probably the third or
24 fourth.' I've never had reason to count.
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house of the other.
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map that's being referred to be made into an
exhibit. It seems to cover
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Is it your understanding, Athanell, that
3 there's an existing ACL on East right now?
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.Yes, there is.
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Where is that at?
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I would understand it to be 1823.
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As far as part of the applicant's request?
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I understand it to already exist.
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MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, could I ask you a
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witness' understanding of the facts.
MR. HAGGITT: I can stipulate on the record
that there is no other adult congregate living
facility on East. This will be the first one. I
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Other'than this one that's over here in
19 Antietem Acres, which is on the other side of Keene Road,
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you're not aware of others in this
what we've been
21 going over, am I correct?
22 A Antietem Acres is several blocks from my
23 house. And then the one on Sharondale is several houses
24 and then if we have this one open on East Street, we'll
25 have another one.
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MRS. HEINIGE: East Drive.
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THE DEPONENT: East Drive.
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You don't? She actually lives on East, right
9 here, basically across the street from the applicant's
10 property. Have you been up and down East?
11 A Yes.
12 Q Do you find" that there's anything
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objectionable on that street?
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In relationship to where this is could you
16 show me which one of these lots is yours?
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I'm the second block in from Greenlea, right
18 there (indi~ating).
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Lot 14. Do you feel, Athanell, based upon
20 . your personal experience with the existing ACLF, since you
21 had mentioned earlier that it is, you and both your
22 husband's feeling, that they are needed, am I correct?
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They are needed. There is a need to take care
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3 First of all, I'm not against ALF as they said in my
4 statement. I recognize they are very valuable to the
5,community. But I don't think it's a good idea for our
6 neighborhood to have so many businesses open. And they
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8 are amenities in our neighborhood that draw retirees and
9. families with school-age children, a school being just a
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15 Do' you think the existence of the ACLF that's on
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17 will adversely affect your property value?
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MR. HAGGITT: lid like to call Ms. Galpin.
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5 JULIA E. GALPIN,
6 WAS CALLED AND AFTER BEING DULY SWORN WAS EXAMINED AND
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Julia E. G-A-L-P-I-N.
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The contract for sale of the subject property,
11 has it closed yet?
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As Mrs. Curry's representative, are you
18 familiar with the way the property has been used in the
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the listing.
Q How long has that been?
A It's probably nine months now.
Q What has the property been used for during
that nine month period?
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Rentals. We've had it fully occupied until
2 the hearing. And at ~hat point there was a major panic in
3 this. And the middle section is now empty and the two
4 side sections are leaving. And it's imperative that we
5 come to a decision either way so we can move on.
6
. During the period
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the nine month period up
7 until the time of the hearing on the application for the
8 granting of the variances in question, could you tell the
9 Judge what those units were rented for, please, the dollar
10 amount per month?
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Unit 1823, which is a two bedroom and bath
12 rents for 525 on an annual basis. Unit 1825 --
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THE COURT: 525 a month?
THE DEPONENT: 525 a month.
Unit 1825
which is the big one, 3 bedroom, 2 bath was rented
for 675. And 1827, which is the two bedroom, one
bath on the other side is rented for 525. But
18 both of ,these leases have expired and they're on
19 their way out.
20 BY MR. HAGGITT:
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Did Mrs. Curry operate this as a rental
22 facility in that she was not a resident on the property
23 herself?
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she has a management company.
So she has been using the property purely as a
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As a business? Are you familiar with the fact
4, as to whether or not the prospective purchaser is going to
5 reside on the property?
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9. that it's proposed that the home be converted to such
10 . configuration that'~t will be able to house 14 adults as
11 part of the adult congregate living facility. Is that
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My'understanding is itls going to be a
14 two-phase operation. And they're going to start by just
15 using the bigger unit and they're going to stick with
16 seven. And if that's successful, they may over time grow
17 into the other numbers.
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And that would be up to a total of 14, is that
19 corr.ect?
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Are you familiar with what the purchaser
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discussion with her regarding that?
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Q Is it your understanding she will be charging
some fee for each person to live in the facility?
A I would hope so. I am very familiar with ALFs
because I'm a registered nurse. I work for Columbia. I
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time and see what goes on there and I can tell a good one
and a bad one.
Q Based on your knowledge and experience then,
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stated, how much is the average amount based on your
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes, just briefly.
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A Yes.
Q And did you not testify at the hearing that
there was a need for this facility in the area?
A In my opinion, there is a need, yes. We're
constantly going into people's home, and I'm talking as a
nurse. And we see that the condition of the house that
they live in. And as a realtor, I,look that, the dirt,
the clutter, the -- it's dangerous. I sometimes have --
used to refuse to going into a house and working a case
because of the condition of the carpet and the spikes from
where the carpet had been ripped up and that kind of
thing.
And these people don't have anyone to take
care of them, and they need a safe and loving environment
where people will come in and care and do their ADLs and
give them medications so they don't make mistakes. We
need well kept run places with good registered nurses in
charge, in my opinion.
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regarding the, I guess, management of the other facility
on'Sharondale?
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Yes.
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No.
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The contract purchaser is a resident of the
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11 It's'not directly opposite. It's caddy-cornered.
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THE COURT: What's the street near or lot
number?
THE DEPONENT: 1818 is the address.
16 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
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20 on that property?
21 A She's going to stay, as far as I know, in
22 1818. I think she has parents living there and children.
23 Q Would she then supervise the subject property'
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1 in the ALF. Arid her husband also is in the medical field,
2 too. My opinion, it's an ideal situation. They're not
3 going to let it deteriorate. And they live on the street
. 4 and they've got another property there.
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Yes. I think I got it a bit wrong. I believe
8 there was somebody on the street who wanted to do this and
9 I believe it was approved and then everybody on the street
10 was so nasty that they backed down and didn't do it. I
11 don't know, because it's hearsay.
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Where did you get that information?
Where did we get it from?
MS. DIETRICH: I got it from Ms. Altman.
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be helped on that point, she should testify from
her own knowledge.
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My feeling on that is
'that Gill's been having a rough time, too. She's
tough. She's English and I think she can deal
21 with it.
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don't believe we've gone anywhere with licensing yet.
Q You would need to contact Elderly Affairs?
A I don't believe so. I believe that we'll just
close on the deal and the buyers will then be the owners.
I think, again, . they're going to.
Q So there's some further licensing?
A Yes. But she's got all of her qualifications
in'place. As the management, she's ready. She's done her
training and everything that she has to do.
o Do you recall testifying at the hearing
regarding the types of occupants of the facility?
A Yes. There was talk about young mentally
impaired people being around. And Gill stated that she
was not going to apply for that particular mental-type of
license. So she was just going to be caring for the
elderly people.
Q And would that be elderly, mentally ill
people?
A Yes, I believe you can have all types of
patients under that licensing. I don't know for sure, but
I believe you can.
o When you say elder, what age would that cover?
A To me, I think you're looking in the 70s.
Normally, people in these facilities are well into their
70s' and 80s.
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5 entertainment. They need help sometimes or someone to
6 check whether they did wash their feet and shower and
7 maybe remind them to go and take a shower and mother them,
8 actually. It's a parenting thing, believe it or not.
9 Q What is the anticipated staffing level?
10 A I have no idea what she had planned for that.
11 I've never .worked in one. I just went in as an RN.
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additional vehicles driving to the facility?
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15 is that most people felt that they wouldn't have vehicles
. 1'6 of their own. The chances are they wouldn't be driving.
17 I don't know whether that's quite true. I. think it's
18 pretty fair to say that. There would obviously be
19 increased traffic on the street.
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21 'anticipated in your experience?
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23 do.' And they will go once every two or three months, they
24 will go.
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22 to call them, they all have security systems and bells go
23 off when the gate opens if it's not opened correctly.
24 They all have something.
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proceeding. And for her to be an interested party
in this pro~eeding and to testify also as an
expert, I would object to that. She's going to
get a commission from the sale of this property if
she gets these variances through.
And based on that, I think shels not
qualified and because of that bias and interest,in
this proceeding to testify as an expert as to real
estate values.
MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, it's not
THE COURT: . I III overrule that obj ection and
say that I think it s?ould go to the weight of the
testimony. Do you have any further objection or
voir dire as to her qualifications to give
opinions in that area?
MR. HAGGITT: I'm not going voir dire her.
My objection will stand on the record that she has
not been properly qualified. I donlt have to
qualify her, so I don't intend to.
THE COURT: All right. 1111 overrule the
objection then. You may proceed.
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Q Ms. Galpin, you stated that you have sold
properties in this area, am I correct?
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Is it based upon your expert testimony that
you feel that values are stable according to present
values or have they been declining over the last few
years?
A .Values in houses and income property is
stable. In fact, in houses, in my opinion, it's going up.
If you notice, if you have a good clean house and you
,do even the minimal marketing, it will sale. The market
is extremely buoyant right now.
Q Let me show you 1862 Sharondale. From the
subject property, ,how far do you think that's from there?
A I'd have to look at it. Can I look at this?
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Of course.
MR. BRINSON: . Let the record reflect we have
a random sampling 'of the neighborhood dealing with
value according to Pinellas County records.
THE COURT: Well, I think this particular
address is on the map that is in evidence. It
appears to be lot number five on the --
THE DEPONENT: Yeah, it's lot five 11m
looking for.
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Q Let me show you this copy. Well, the address
is 1862. Let me show you this one here. This one may be
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existing ACLF home. The existing ACLF is 1743, if I am
correct, that's what the address is based upon what we
were able to find from the county records.
Based upon what the Tax Assessors' office
reflects, could you tell us what the just value of the
property is and what the sales have reflected over the
last few years?
A So you want me to talk about this one?
Q This one right here, 1742.
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belongs to that one? Okay. Thank you. This property
called 1742 Sharondale Drive and it was sold in June of
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in '87 when it was 75,000. And then there's one way back
with. the land in '97. Now, the just value, that's
according to the City Appraiser's Office, is 71,700. And
I'll tell you what the market value would be around about.
I'm going to give you a rough number.
Today, according to the paper I have in front
of me, it's worth around 90.
Q So the record, according to Pinellas County
tax information you have before you there, reflects a
constant increase in value, am I correct? From 1970 the
value was 23,000? In 1987, a sale was recorded for
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MR. BRINSON: No further questions, your
Honor.
THE DEPONENT: No doubt about it.
THE COURT: Are you saying just value?
THE DEPONENT: Yes. We have a just value
now and an assessed value in our public records.
And then I've been doing a little calculation to
come up with the market value.
MR. BRINSON: The property appraiser's
office, your Honor
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based upon an overall correlation of the
s~bdivision.or adjoining properties.
THE COURT: So your testimony just now was
that th~ just value?
MR. BRINSON: According to the county records.
THE COURT: Was what?
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Is it possible then that the properties that
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3 particular properties. Looking at East Drive, what's
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5 bigger increase and that would be in the 1,200. There's
6 one under contract in there which we know has increased.
7 And I know what my offer is on the one I take care of, so
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I'm' getting confused.
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MR. BRINSON: I'd just like to add one
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going to testify, unless he's going to ask her a
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22 Q It is your testimony, though, based upon your
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18 the same as the subject one, and then I sit down and I do
19 it manually where I adjust the prices. Because live done
20 my appraisal designation and everything for MIA, I can
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printout, which the clerk uses to generate the 500
foot list of people to be noticed.
THE COURT: This is City Exhibit
Number 1 for identification. Are you moving it
into evidence at this time?
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MR. HAGGITT: No objection.
THE COURT: It's received.
(At this time City's Exhibit 1, the Tax
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: We would also offer the
City Clerk's affidavit of mailing notices with the
attached notice of the public hearing below and
attached list of addressees.
THE COURT: This is City'S Exhibit 2 for
identification. No objection?
MR. HAGGITT: No objection.
THE COURT: It's received.
(At this time City'S Exhibit 2, the City
Clerk's affidavit of mailing notice was marked
for identification) .
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: A portion of the City'S
comprehensive plan, that being a portion of the
housing element, of the plan.
THE COURT: That's City'S Exhibit 3 for
identification.
MR. HAGGITT: No objection.
THE COURT: It's received.
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in one batch. And we request that the ALJ take.
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: A-~d those would be'
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family group and congregate care facilities; and
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MR. HAGGITT: No.
THE COURT: I would do so.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: We would also
submit for administrative notice or official
recognition, Florida statute section 419.001,
entitled Site Selection of Community Residential
Homes.
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John Richter as its witness.
THE COURT: Would you raise your right hand.
JOHN RICHTER,
WAS CALLED AND AFTER BEING DULY SWORN WAS EXAMINED AND
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DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
Q Mr. Richter, you're employed with the City of
Clearwater?
A Yes.
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What. is your job title?
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Senior planner.
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How long have you been so employed, employed
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Twenty years.
What is your educational background?
I.hold a degree in landscape architecture.
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22 occasionally present those to the commission.
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Have you previously testified in
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How many times?
Maybe ,100 or more.
Were most of those' administrative hearings?
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And a few. court proceedings at 'least?
Yes, I think.
In,any of those proceedings, were you accepted
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DO you recall how many times?
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I'm showing you a document. Can you identify
Yes. This is a resume of mine.
Does that accurately reflect your education
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: I would offer
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THE COURT: That would be Number 4. Any
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he,has a specific expertise in the area of whether
a variance should be granted or not. I think the
code specifically sets forth what that is. I
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, THE COURT: All right. You may proceed.
BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
Q Can you estimate, Mr. Richter, how many
variance applications specifically relating to group homes
or. congregate care facilities you have reviewed. for the
City?
A I don't know exactly. It's probably been at
least.a' dozen or so.
Q What steps do you take in reviewing these
applications?
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the property and upon performing that analysis, I'll
prepare a staff report for the Board.
Q Did you do those things in this case?
A Yes, I did.
Q Did you circulate this application, the
present application, to other City departments for
comment?
A I personally did not. However, the personnel
that's charged with the intake of the variances did so.
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And whom does it go to, generally?
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It goes to representatives from the City'S
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Do you recall any comments that were received
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were dated March 5th of '98. He indicated no comment.
THE COURT: I'm sorry.
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He i.ndicated no comment.
And then we have a written statement here from
Rick Albee, who's with the Public Works
Department. He's an environmental official with
the City. And he indicated no objections. But
however, with respect to the City manager's vision
of One City, One Future, he would like to request
that landscaping be installed at East Drive, at
perimeter of landscape buffers adjacent to the
, existing parking lot.
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Do you always -- you said you make a
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Looking at the number of feet that are sought
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4 variance request to be small, medium or large?
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6 from a residential zone. The variance that's being
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10 care facility that the code would require, and I believe
11 ,state law also requires a 1,200 foot separation.
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19 home is proposed is located on the east side of East
20 Drive. As indicated earlier, there's 14 triplexes that
21 are located on both sides of East Drive. This property is
22 located in the center of the other triplexes. There would
23 be three triplexes to the north on the same side of the
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of the triplexes there are single-family homes that are
located west, north and east and southeast. There are
multiple-family dwellings, apartments and condominiums
located south and southwest. And approximately a block to
the west is a shopping center.
o I think you said you visited the site prior to
the hearing in this case, is that right?
A Yes, I did.
Q What were,your observations of the site and
its vicinity on your visit?
A Well, my observations of East Drive was that
it's developed with what I would call cookie-cutter type
triplexes. The single-family homes that are located in
the surrounding area appear to be relatively well
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The neighborhood as a whole is moderately
attractive.
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this case?
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0 'Did you present the staff report to, the Board?
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0 And what recommendations were contained in the
staff report, if any?
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determination that the Judge is going to have to
make. Mr. Richter can testify as, to facts but not
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: This would be
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as well.
THE COURT: I'll overrule the
objection. I don't think that it's prohibited for
an expert to give an opinion on the ultimate
issue, but it is my decision to make.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Certainly.
THE DEPONENT: Will you restate the
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. Yes. Do you have an opinion whether the
c subject application meets the criteria for the approval of
variances that are set forth in the code, specifically
45.24?
A Well, yes, I do. I indicated earlier that
I've prepared the staff report and the staff report, I
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Q Are you familiar with the -- directing your
attention to that section, 45.24,. and specific~lly
subsection one. Can you discuss your basis for your
opinion that the application would meet that criteria?
A The criteria that there are special
circumstances related to the surrounding shape or
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1 topographical conditions to the land and buildings. And
2 it would be my opinion that there are special
3 circumstances. And those special circumstances are that
4 this particular area of East Drive where the group home is
5 proposed is developed with triplexes, that these triplexes
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7 development to the extent that it's my opinion that these
8 triplexes represent a community or a neighborhood and that
. 9. the single-family homes that are located surrounding would
10 constitute a separate community or neighborhood.
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18 really ideally suited for a group care facility and that
19 the group care facility located on this property will not
20 adversely ~ffect the surrounding single-family home owners
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provides a physical barrier between this home and the
neighboring single-family homes that are located to the
east. I don't believe the neighboring home to the east,
if you ultimately approve this -- the Board's
decision-- I don't believe there would be any adverse
affect or any noise to the adjoining property. I think
. the adjoining property owner would not know that this
facility exists on this property.
Typically that's what we find, that once
these -- we find that there's substantial neighborhood.
opposition when these homes. are, originally proposed and
that once they've located, that we receive no complaints
and they blend right in with the neighborhood.
Q Let me just ask in that capacity then. To
your knowledge, what, if any, complaints from surrounding
property owners has the City received regarding existing
facilities?
A I had checked with our code enforcement office
prior to this hearing and they have received no complaints
regarding the these homes. You had also referred to the
second standard here, that the applicant would be deprived
of reasonable use if the code were strictly enforced. And
we would hold that based upon the special circumstances
that I referred to under number one that the group home
would constitute a reasonable use.
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5, . gain, and based upon the, testimony that was given by the
6 proposed homeowner. At the hearing, it appears that
7 they're also interested, in providing a facility to care
8 for the elderly people.
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Four is that the granting of the variance will
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1 identify any portions of the plan that address --
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5 from the last and the objective 13.5.
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that objec~ive. And policies are to establish
14 ' population -- should I read this or does this --
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THE COURT: It's already in evidence so
16 there's no need to.
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In your opinion, would the granting of this
19 variance be in harmony with those provisions of the
20 comprehensive plan?
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9 what I'm about to tell you, it's extraordinarily liberal.
10 The housing code would require for living
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14 calculated that,the largest unit in there is 1,774 square
15 feet. And I'm basing that on dimensions that are
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total of 37 could occupy that triplex.
Q Have you visited the nearby 'home on Sharondale
that's been discussed?
A I haven't been inside but I've been by the
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outside.
Q When was that?
A That was just in advance of this hearing_
That was about three weeks prior to the hearing of the
Code Adjustment Board. .
Q What were your observations upon that visit?
A .It'didn't look substantially different from
the exterior. from any other home that's located on that
street. At least by its outward appearances, it didnlt
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Q You mentioned the landscaping condition
imposed by the Board. What was that specifically, if you
,can recall?
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we had recommended that within 60 days after the
occupational license, would include that landscaping be
installed upon East Drive and on the perimeter of the
parking lot.
We specified that the installation of the
landscape plan be submitted to the City1s environmental
official and be subject to approval by the official, and
the failure to maintain a landscaping in healthy condition
would void variances.
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2 for approval?
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Yes, it's number three.
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When it says on the perimeter of the parking
5 lot, where would that landscaping be located?
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9 application packet?
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How many -- can you tell from the condition
15 and looking at the survey, I guess, what percentage of the
16 perimeter would be landscape? Would it be the entire
17 perimeter or less than the entire?
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It would be less than the entire perimeter,
19 three of the four sides of the parking lot.
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And then is there additional landscaping along
21 East Drive and --
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The landscaping should extend along the
23 entirety of East Drive.
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3 length of the area which requires to be landscaped.
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Do you know the types of shrubs or trees that
5 would typically be required?
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Okay. Do you know whether the facility
8 located on Sharondale itself obtained any separation
9 variances?
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MR. BRINSON: Yes, your Honor.
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Mr. Richter, I draw your attention to this
18 plat map which is here that shows the overall area. As
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were you here before when --
20 Mrs. Heinige?
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MR. HAGGITT: Heinige, correct?
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MRS. HEINIGE: Yes.
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Testified as to where the existing ACLF was
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That was her testimony. Do you recall that?
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pointing to on the map.
Q Let me rephrase it then. The mark which is
placed here by her, do you see it?
A Yes, I do.
Q 'Based upon .this map, it shows here that one
inch equals 300 feet, okay. If we interpolate in a crude
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How many feet do you say that is from the --
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where the home is. It seems like a waste of a lot
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the appellant here that it's within so many feet,
granted we have testimony in regards to what the
City views the footage is, but the appellant feels
that it is substantially closer or her testimony
is actually outward of the 1,200 feet based upon
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where she feels where it is.
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relevance, attorney Haggitt, basically that
<itls been their argument that their values are
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affected because of this ACLF. And the fact that
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this ACLF, in her opinion, is even outside the
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She really doesn't even know where it
is, so how could it really affect --
MR. HEINIGE: It's either the third or the
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exactly where this ACLF is. He's already stated
it's within 7 or 800 feet of the property. It1s
actually lot 48, which is probably --
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THE COURT: Now, any cross from the appellant.
MR. HAGGITT: Yes, I have some questions.
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Mr. Richter, you stated that to your knowledge
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23 establish a group home there, is that correct, to your
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Because they met all of the separation
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12 separation requirement if a person has a fence?
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14 relief for fences. However, I do believe it's fair to
15 look at the intend and purpose for the regulation.
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So you're adding another provision, basically,
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No, absolutely not. I'm not adding any
19 provisions.
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That's not in the code 'now, though, is it,
21 that a fence in any way affects the separation
22 requirement?
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No, a fence -- there's not specific mention to
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required the fence to remain in place, did it, as part of
'the granting of the application?
A They didn't so condition.
Q So based on the current circumstance that
fence could be removed as soon as the group home was
established, is that correct?
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and I think the Judge will see that from the photographs,
is that basically we have cookie-cutter properties here.
They basically look the same, in the same configuration,
the same type structure, .albeit a little bit different
esthetically.
Could you tell me what would be different from
this particular lot in that the variance is requesting and
the lot next door or, any other lot on the east side of
East Drive that has a triplex on it? That would be those
seven lots. Is there anything different as to this one
particular l?t that makes it unique from the other six
properties?
A To some extent this one is unique because it's
located right in the middle of the area.
Q So it's going to impact people as much on both
sides, is that correct?
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look at it, as being in the middle it would lessen the
impact on the single-family residences.
Q Let's look at the provisions of the section~
I think we need to start with the presumption, first of
all, that if City staff doesn't have any objection and
recommends approval, that does not mean that the applicant
does not have to still meet the standards of 45.24, is
that correct?
A That's correct, yes.
Q Section one says there are special
circumstances relating to a particular physical
surrounding shape or topographical conditions applicable
to the land or building that would be on the lot in
question, and such circumstan~es are peculiar to such land
or buildings and do not apply generally to the land or
buildings in the applicable building zone district.
You told me this one is in the middle. So
that makes it different. The house across the street
would be in the middle also, and would not have a
single-family directly behind it. So I assume that that
would be a further separation from single-family
residential zone, is that correct?
A No, that wouldn't be correct because of the
single-family zoning that's located to the west.
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So if the application was for the property
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6 that it's in the middle, would that be correct?
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Would it be possible to put a wooden fence
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might have to walk by one more home or one less home to
get to the residential district.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Is there a question there?
THE DEPONENT: Yeah. Let me address
this. The code sets forth the four standards by
which we govern variances but there's a -- let us
look back at the purpose for variances and what
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1 BY MR. HAGGITT:
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The provision you just sited indicates
3 basically that the applicant has to come in and prove a
4 hardship, correct? Isn't that the purpose? If you can
5 prove a hardship based on the standards that we give you
6 in 55.24, then we'll grant you relief, am I correct? It's
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over simplified, probably, but isn't that the purpose of
the code, if the property owner has a hardship with
complying with the code provisions, that this is a vehicle
that' gives you an opportunity to show a hardship and it
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not sure that was
that we have that testimony
in the record.
MR. HAGGITT: I believe we do. My time
period may be incorrect, but she's operated it for
quite a few years based on the applicant's -- the
representative's testimony.
THE COURT: I don't recall the number
of years, but it's been a number of years.
MRS. HEINIGE: Twenty-two, twenty-five.
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1 purpose, her purchaser is, how is the applicant deprived
2 of reasonable use of their land or building?
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5 numerous uses that constitute reasonable uses for the
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7 triplexes or existing triplex for rental units isn't a
8 reasonable use. Surely it is. I'm going to contend that
9 so, too, is a group home in this location.
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11 interpret it to mean that this is for this reason. But we
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The City from your own testimony seem to
17 indicate that we want to promote ACLFs and that it's a
18 good use and it should be put in neighborhoods. I think
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that's -- again, if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying
20 or what you contend, please tell me. I think that's the
21, general overall contend.
22 'Don't you think that the property owner that
23 purchases a triplex on East Drive or purchases a home on
24 Sharondale should be given the protection of looking at a
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me, fine, I'm going to go ahead and buy this property?
Don't you think that's reasonable reliance from a code
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I'm not altogether sure it would, because the
5 code that you're referring to also allows for the
6 opportunity for a variance to be considered.
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Then if we take that one step further. In
8 o~der to prove a variance the person has to come in and
9 strictly comply and follow the provisions of 45.24, so
10 they've got that reliance. These people have to come in
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14 Isn't it really the City'S attempt to just
15 change the code, to do away with separation requirements?
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19 . clarify.,
20 If any of the other 14 triplexes in this area
21 had come in with this application all being within the
22 500 foot separation -- I believe all being within the
23 1,.200 foot separation area required from the other group
24 home, wouldn't the City'S position, assuming that these
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4 for example, was proposed on either lots 9 or 10 you would
5 have a different, I think, a different set of
'6 circumstances. I'm not altogether convinced that the
7 recommendation would be identical.
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9 12 left where the recommendation would be the same so
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Objection. I
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MR. HAGGITT: I think that's what his
20 testimony was.
21 BY' MR. HAGGITT:
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Was I wrong, John? Would the recommendation
23 probably be the same on 12 of the lots, but possibly or
24 probably not on the other two because they are, I think,
25 are the extremes of the area?
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4 I would also have some concerns about. It's not all
5 together clear. I1m not sure I'm prepared to give a
6 statement this morning as to what the staff
7 recommendations would be on the other lots without going
8 the normal routine.
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11 cannot testify as to any uniqueness or any special
12 problems relating to the lots?
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THE COURT: Anything you wish to add?
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18 material gain by the applicant or the owner, although it
19 wouldn't apply here because the applicant doesn't intend
20 to do anything other than sell the property, so X. assume
21 that -- let's look ,at it -- the applicant has a contract,
22 the contract' is contingent upon the City granting the
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So we have to talk about Mrs. Curry.
Don't you think that her only desire is
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This variance is granted or she loses her sale.
A. You know, this code provision is an extremely
difficult one for staff to render a judgement on. It
really necessitates for me to know whether her exclusive
motivation is financial gain for me to be able to get
'inside her head. It appears that the standard speaks
of -- that it's her, the applicant's exclusive motivation
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MR. HAGGITT: I don't have any other
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THE COURT: Any cross? I'm sorry, any
redirect?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: 'Yes, just briefly.
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stockade fence on the property today. If that fence were
to be constructed today, would it require any variances?
A No.
Q Do you recall any arrangements made at the
hearing regarding the continued existence of the fence?
A No.
Q You had referred to the beginning portions of
the variance chapter, specifically section 45.01 which
uses the word hardship.' Is that term carried over into
the criteria in section 45.24?
A It's -- no, it's not included in 24.
Q Do you recall whether it was at one time
included?
A Yes. It was included some number of years
ago.
Q Was it omitted from the section?
A Yes.
Q Do you recall when that was?
A ' It was approximately eight or nine years ago.
Q And regarding the application procedures, does
the City code allow a representative of the owner to
present cases before the DCAB?
A Yes.
Q And does the application form reflect that the
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MR. HAGGITT: Thank you.
MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, I have
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Mr.. Richter, was your testimony that based
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20 variance here and we're also referring' to the code of
21 actual use of the property. It was your testimony that
22 actually 34 individuals could occupy that present property
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6 A The honest answer is no.
7 Q So that wasn't a factor really involved in
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17 the same time an average family in a two bedroom property
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established, that for 20 or 25 years, whatever length or
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Do you feel that heavy commercial, which is
immediately to the west of these two streets, east and
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consideration with traffic and other concerns that this
neighborhood would have?
A I'm not sure I understand your question.
Q The existing commercial -- am I correct that
right here Highland -- coming from Highland going south
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southern boundary of the subdivision, correct, of this
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A Yes, there is a shopping center.
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A Yes, it would have an ~- it's an intense use
of, land.
Q But that's been there for a number of years,
am I correct?
A Yes, it has.
Q But actually, the development on the southern
portion of that was permitted when, within the last ten
years?
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Whatever that would be worth, but yes.
MR. BRINSON: Thank you.
THE COURT: I need some clarification
about where the landscaping is supposed to be,
according to the motion and the order that was
the variance that was granted by the Board. It
says on the perimeter of the parking lot. And if
I"m understanding your testimony correctly that
refers to three sides of the parking lot?
THE DEPONENT: Yes, it does.
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THE COURT: So that would be in front of the
building, across the front of the building and on
either side -- in addition, on either side of the
parking lot?
THE DEPONENT: It would be in the area
that would be between the parking lot and the
street right-of-way. So this wouldn't be
adjacent, in front of the building.
THE COURT: The perimeter of the
not perimeter of the parking: lot. The perimeter
of the property line is that what you're -- what
you're really saying?
THE DEPONENT: No, it's the perimeter
of the parking lot.
THE COURT: Isn't the parking lot in
front of the building?
THE DEPONENT: Yes.
THE COURT: What three sides of the
parking lot are we talking about, are you talking
about?
THE DEPONENT: The west, the north and south.
THE COURT: I'm looking for -- okay,
north is to the left? Where is north?
THE DEPONENT: Yeah, to the left. Yes.
THE ,COURT: So north, west and south?
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THE COURT: So obviously it doesn't
come all the way across the front if there is an
entranceway to the parking. But other than
that -- okay.
THE DEPONENT: Correct.
THE COURT: Did you say that you were
not aware of whether there was landscaping
, required for the ACLF on Sharondale? Was that
your testimony?
THE DEPONENT: There would not -- I
don't think I gave testimony on that. There would
not be landscaping required on Sharondale because
that's a different kind of facility. The
Sharondale facility is a family care facility, not
a group care facility.
A family care facility would have up
to" I think it's six residents. Group care would
have 7 to 14 residents. The tamily care facili~y
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don't have a parking lot and accordingly don't
have landscaping around the parking lot.
THE COURT: Okay. And I just have one
other question.' Is it your reading of the
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applicant is the owner, is that correct? Who's
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MR. HAGGITT: The applicant is Curry.
THE COURT: Okay. I have no other questions.
Any other questions of the witness?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: No, sir.
THE COURT: Any other evidence 'from the City?
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: No, sir.
THE COURT: Any evidence from the
applicant?
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MR. BRINSON: That would be Mrs. Gill Vasile.
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your right hand to be sworn.
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A For an AJ~F, a level 1 group care which the
limits that they set are between 7 and 14. I mean, nobody.
is discussing high numbers and things like that. We're
not planning on putting in the 14. Sometimes, and
depending on if people want to share rooms or they don't
wish to share rooms, we may be below seven. We may even
be lower.
We will in all likelihood at many
tiTIleS have less people living in there than they will in
another one of the triplexes.
Q What is your reason for picking thi~ location?
A Because I've seen so many ALFs that have been
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run from a distance, and it doesn't work. They
deteriorate. Nobody keeps an, eye on them. When we bought
the triplex we were living in, we wanted to be there. We
wanted to keep a finger on it and that's what we've done.
That's exactly how I feel about the ALF.
I want to know what's going on. And if I'm
not actually in there, I'm just across the street. I'll
have a finger on what's going on.
Q Do you maintain your property?
A Yes.
Q Right now?
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Q I think it was the testimony earlier
that there was only one property on the street that
Mrs. Heinige refused to take a picture of because it was
.in such a mess or something. Do you concur with that?
A . There are a few others that 'I would like to
see more done than is
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your proper,Y in its
presently done.
your intention to not only maintain
present condition, but the one across
. the street if you're the ultimate purchaser?
A Yes.
Q Is it my understanding that based upon
well, you have seen the City recommendation of approval
for it, am I correct?
A Yes.
Q .Based upon their recommendation they've
outlined some things that you must comply with. Is it
your testimony that you're willing to do that?
A Yes. At a minimum we would do that. As
regards to maintaining the fence and stuff like that, that
goes without saying. I would definitely do that, anything
that is required will be dealt with.
Q And your profession is in the health care,
business, am I correct?
A Yes, I'm an RN.
Q You're an RN. And you will be not only
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A Working it and managing.
Q I think it was brought up before by
'Ms. Galpin that it was your testimo~y or your testimony at
the time of the original hearing that concerns of the
neighbors regarding the mentally ill or handicapped or
others. You would not -- it's a separate type of permit,
am I correct?
A There is a separate mental health license that
ALFs can apply for, and I have guaranteed that I will not
apply for one of those licenses. I don't know if the one
. on Sharondale has a mental health license or not, but on
the other hand, until I did research to find out what was
in the area, I must be ,honest, I'd lived there eight years
and I didn't know there was an ALF on that street.
Q Is it your testimony that you agree with
Mrs. Heinige's statement that the neighborhood is mixed,
somewhere between 50 to 50 of older individuals in the 60
to 70 range?
A Yes.
Q What range do you think there will actually be
living individuals into this complex?
A Usually 70, 75 to 100. It varies, but it will
be retired.
Q So basically fitting right in with the
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questions right now.
THE COURT: . Any cross-examination from
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'MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Just one or two questions.
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Did you -- you stated that you would be
available for emergencies and so forth?
A If I'm not over there working, I will just be
across the street.
Q What will be your staffing level? How many
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minimum of four, depending on how many we've got in there.
I mean, when you first get in, one or two residents. You
just take turns on whatever shifts. But there will be
somebody there at all times.
Q Now, is that four full-time?
A It's four -- it's over. It's actually over
four full-time with state. They allow for people to do a
little bit of overtime.
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A You'd probably start off with one resident and
then start off with two because you'd need -- a lot of the
group homes and that's the difference. How do they term
them? The family care, the under seven, a lot of them
have one person who works 70 hours, five and a half days a
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for another day and a half. That person -- people living
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know. We wouldn't be over there having a separate bedroom
with somebody actually just living there and not -- just
tl) keep an eye on things. It would actually be somebody
on duty at all times.
Q So if I understand, there are two categories
of home, is that right?
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Q And the lower category is one through six?
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help that don't need to be as well qualified.
Q And that's called a family care facility.
And then yours is?
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Q So are you limited to a maximum of 14
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2 ,they1re usually able to maintain their home.
3 Q What arrangements would you make regarding
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6 A. Well, a lot of the time what seems to work out
7 best is not to have delivery trucks but to have -- you've
8 got residents there that aren't just going to be sitting
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12 you know, take them shopping. I don't intend to be
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14 . Q Would the staff drive them to Publix?
15 A.It would be staff doing the driving and doing
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17 having large delivery trucks of anything.
18 Q You testified at the DCAB hearing. Did you
19 tell the DCAB Board that you would maintain the fence
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21 A Yes, I did.
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BY MR. HAGGITT:
Q Mrs. Vasile, you indicated that you did some
research before to place the contract on the triplex in
question, is that correct?
A Yes.
Q You researched to see what other group homes
were in the area?
A Yes, because I've been down to the HRS or the
care's area now to find out what needed to be done and
what other ones were in the area. And I was told that the
one on Sharondale wasn't a problem. It didn't interfere
with the one we were looking to do on East Drive because
of the different level of area.
Q As part of your research, did you discover
that the present City code would not allow the separation
of an ALP in the location in question because of the
separation requirements?
A I discovered 7 to 14 is permitted in a
Residential 8 area. But of course, there were
single-family on the back of it. I found out then that
the provisions were in place and we applied for a
variance.
Q. SO at the time you placed the contract on the
property you knew that the perspective or intended use was
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correct?
A I knew that a variance would need to be
applied for.
Q Is your contract to purchase the property
contingent upon the variance in question being granted?
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If they're not, if they're denied then you
will .not purchase the property
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, it tends, I think, to be in the region of 580 a month.
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somebody in a single room it tends to be in the region of
1,400. I mean, they go up to 3, 4,000. The area that
we're looking at is GOO.'
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A That varies according to the person's income.
Q Give us your range?
A Six hundred to fourteen hundred.
Q Per person?
A Yes.
MR. HAGGITT: I have no other questions.
THE COURT: What does OSS stand for?
THE DEPONENT: It's Medicaid. It's
that the state pays for them because they are
unable to.
MR. BRINSON: ,Your Honor, if I could.
THE COURT: Redirect.
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Q Since you've lived on the street -- do you
have children?
A Yes, I do.
Q You do. Do you have a fear or concern for
your children with the traffic?
A I've been. very careful with them up until
recently. They're ten and eleven now and I've gotten to
the stage they are allowed to cross the road without
somebody hanging onto their hand. They're not allowed to
go around to the stores on their own. I don't tend to let
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20 .I've already had someone in the street ask me for the
21 possibility of employment if this gets off of the ground.
22 And just to know that -- to know what's going on over
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I think the testimony of Ms. Galpin before
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4 range of about 525 per unit. Do you recall that?
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witness? Any other evidence from the applicant?
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evidence in relationship to the values, we'll be
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I thought there were other reasons why, during the
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the evidence that was given?
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MR. HAGGITT: I don't object.
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THE COURT: Mr Haggitt, you may proceed.
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Thank you, your Honor.
The burden of proof in the proceeding below before
the Board is a burden of proof placed on the
applicant, in this proceeding, Mrs. Curry. And
it's a strong burden under the code section,
45.24, which says that a variance shall not be
granted unless the application and evidence
presented clearly support all of the follow~ng
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public that appeared at the hearing. They did not
have to come in and prove that this shouldn't be
done, which is apparently the standard that was
used by the Board. And this is all the argument
you've heard about traffic and this. You've got
to prove to us that there's a problem with us
doing this.
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think the appellant should be held to the
requirements of the code, especially in the
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should be bound by the code provisions.
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and ACLFs and we don't particularly criticize the
City'S intent, but I think that that should be
expanded within the perimeters of the code as it
presently exists or if the City doesn't think that
'that's appr?priate or valid then the code should
be charged. It is not appropriate under either
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situation you can, without tongue and cheek, say
that this particular piece of property is unique.
As he stated in his general testimony, this is a
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hardship that would warrant a variance. And those
are the standards we have to follow. We might not
like it. The City might want to promote ALFs.
The altruistic reasons behind it are obviously
there. But there are not special circumstances
related to the particular physical surroundings,
shape or topographical condition applicable to the
land or buildings. And so circumstances are not
peculiar to such land or buildings and do not --
and do, in fact, apply generally to the land or
buildings in the applicable district.
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particular property. You have to really really
stretch it to say well, there's a fence there or
well, this particular lot is in the middle so
therefore it's special. That just is not within
the expectations, in my belief, of what the code
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of them. So I'm having difficulty seeing any
testimony that would indicate to me that the
strict applications to the provisions of the code
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as they now exist, ie" the 500 foot separation
from residential district and the 1,200 foot
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separation from another group home, would deprive
the applicant, and then we've got to -- I think
this is important, the applicant is the present
property owner -- would deprive that applicant of
the reasonable use of the land or building.
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reasonable use of the land or building because
she is presently using it and has' used it for
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establishes either here or at the hearing before
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the land or building.
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section three. The applicant had to prove that
the variance is not based exclusively upon the
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testimony in the record today or any testimony in
the. record or any evidence in the record below
that would.indicate that Mrs. Curry's sole
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has seen or heard from Mrs. Curry. This is purely
an effort on the part of the purchaser. What her
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development code and comprehensive plan and will
not be materially injurious to the surrounding
properties or otherwise detrimental of the public
welfnre, sort of a catch-all provision.
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think the granting of the variance will in fact be
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purpose for granting the variance where there is
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or amend the code without going through the,
necessary steps, ie, referendum by the public.
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strictly comply with provisions of 45.24. So in
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code by using a variance process rather than
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changing the code itself.
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itself in considering the application., The
appellant here still does have her code, a burden
of proof, to show the administrative law judge
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evidence before the Board, or that the decision of
the Board'departs from the essential requirements
of law. And we submit that they have not shown
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were basically personal opinion, and you don't
have anything further before you that's really
been put in evidence today other than their
personal opinion. There's been no documentation
, of the alleged adverse affect on real property
values, the alleged noise, the alleged traffic
increase or the alleged fighting among residents
that were their comments below at the hearing and
today.
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their opinions. Y~u did hear expert opinion
testimony from our planning expert that the
, variance was appropriate, in his opinion, and that
was unrebutted. You've heard unrebutted real
estate broker testimony today and at the hearing
below in the record that the property values will
not decrease as a result of the siting of this
facility.
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point out that the variance chapter in section
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type of tenancy would be required. So if a month
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would urge the administrative law --
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forms available at the office of the Development
Code administrator and to be signed by the owner
or tenant of the property. And then it goes on to
say any application signed by a tenant shall be
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supplemented by a written statement of consent
from the property owner.
So the code is pretty liberal as to
who can apply. We would urge the administrative
law judge to uphold the Board's decision with the
reasonable conditions, particularly the
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landscaping condition that were placed on the
Board -- placed by the Board below.
THE COURT: A summation by the applicant.
MR. BRINSON: Yes, I would. I think
the testimony today has been clear, that there is
a need for this type of facility. I think that
it's -- the testimony has been clear that the
surrounding property owners, the appellants, are
not going to be adversely affected.
In a letter dated April 8, 1998, from
attorney Haggitt to the City of Clearwater,
emphasized in there in relationship to the land
development code and the comprehensive plan in
granting the variance will be materially injurious
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that that's an incorrect statement, that in no way
will the property values, no way will adjoining
property owners, those on the street, will be
adversely affected either impact because of
traffic, impact because of the tenant or an impact
due to any other adverse condition that~ in their
own opinion, may affect this property when
technically it doesn't.
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the appellant, stipulated that she even went to
the other family facility with the intent or the
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representation that she would consider putting one
of her relatives in a place like this. That
clearly makes it clear that a need is present.
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only Mr. Richter but others in place in government
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to outline what is really the need. And when we
say that there were five members on the Board that
heard th~s original request and looked at all the
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granting of this would not be out of line.
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make much difference because she's not attempting
by an applicant anyway. The'applicant is by
filing is Mrs. Curry.
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to say there's a problem there but for the
applicant's below to prove they came within the
hardship provisions of the City code. And that's
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there should not be a shifting of proof.
I just want -- I think just to end with a
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citation from Elwyn vs. City of Miami which is an
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zoning for the neighborhood rather than to seek a
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by variance. That's the whole position of the
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MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Can I just add.
If the code, provisions were changed for the whole
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each location. And I'm not sure that's what the
appellants would want either.
MR. HAGGITT: At least the public
would have som~ input.
THE COURT: Well, my final order will be
by -- under the code is to be filed within' 45 days
from today. The parties may, if they wish to,
file proposed a proposed final order which
would include proposed findings of fact and
conclusions of law. And I would request that they
be submitted within ten days from today.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Could I just ask
the court reporter when the transcript can be
available because the City would be ordering a
transcript and providing it to your Honor.
THE COURT REPORTER: Just tell me when
you need it.
MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Let's say five
days is doable.
MR. HAGGITT: Can you give us ten days
from the date we get the transcript so we could
review that.
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as expedient as they could.
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to the notion that the 45 days for the final order
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further, that will conclude today's proceeding.
(At this time this Adminstrative Hearing in
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
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STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PINELLAS
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4 I, VANESSA A. DURHAM, Court Reporter, certify
5 that I was authorized to and did stenographically report
6 the foregoing hearing; and that the transcript is a true
7 record of the testimony given by the witnesses.
8 I further certify that I~am not a relative,
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In The Matter Of":
HEINIGE ET AL
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE THE HON.]. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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915 CHESTNUT STREET
CiEARWATER, FL USA 33756
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HEINIGE BT AL
CURRY AND ClT'YQP CLEARWATER
111 STATE OF FLORIDA
DIVISION OF ADMIIIlISTRATIVE HEARINGS
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/31 FRED HEINIGE: IRENE HEINIGE;
FELICE F. SAlERNI; VELDA A.
141 SALEAlIll; HARRY ANGELlDES;
HELEN ANGEUOES: and DANIEL
(51 FERNANDEZ.
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IRI MARIA A, CURRY and CITY OF
CLEARWATER.
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('41 BEFORE THE HONORABlE: J.LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
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LOCATION:
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ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING
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CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE
nURO FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM
112 SOUTH OSCEOLA AVENUE
CLEARWATER. FLORIDA
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(211 REPORTER: VANESSA A. DURHAM
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(4] FOf'the Petklonora: JOHN R. HAGGrrr. ESQUIRE
IS] LAW OFFICE OF JOHN R. HAGGm
IGJ 300 TURNER STREET
(?J CLEARWATER. FLORIDA 34816
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Itll Forfhe ResponOenls: LESLIE I<. DOUGALL-SIDES, ESQUIRE
II~ CITY OF ClEARWATER
1131 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
1'4) 112 S. OSCEOLA AVENUE
IISl CLEARWATER, FLORIDA 34616
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1''11) FDrthB Appllcanl: DON A. BRINSON, BROKER
120} BRINSON REA1. TV
(21] 326 BELCHER NORTH
122) CLEARWATER, FLORIDA :mGS
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IIEINIGE ET AL
CURRY AND CJTY OF CLEARWATER
DEFORE THE HON. J. lAWRENCEJOHNSTON
June 10~ 1998
III MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Leslie DougaU-sides, [II relding them, H seemed to me like it cut off and
[2J assistmt City Anorney Cor the City oC Clearwater [2J I ~s expecting to see more.
131 ;wd for the Development Code Adjustment Bow. 13] MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Then I would -
1.1 THE COURT: And for the :applicant? [41 THE COURT: Off the record.
151 MS. GALPIN: l'mJulia Galpin, broker, and [5] "(At this time a discussion was held oCC the
161 this property is my listing, therefore I'm [6] record).
(7] representing the owner, Maria Curry, who is out of 11I THE COURT REPORTER: Back on the record.
IBJ state. [II] THE COURT: No, ! don't have page 11.
Ill] THE COURT: And for the record, would you 19] MS. OOUGALL-5IDES: I would submit page 11
lID] repeat your request for another representative? liD] which is -:U tile top oflhe page, the remainder
1111 MS. GALPIN: ':un :lskJng that Don Brinson Ill] ofth..u item appears.
1121 can t2Ik on our behalf. And he is the broker for 112] THE COURT: Very good. Without objection,
113] the buyer. 113] I'U receive lilat as weU as a part of the
114) THE COURT: All right.And you're lile 114] minutes.
[16) broker Cor the - listing broker for U,e seller. liS] Do tile parties luve opening statements
[16] MS. GALPIN: lUght. 116] lo nukc:l
, [11) THE COURT: And the appellant's objection, 117] MR, HAGGITT: Yes, sir.
i" , . PB) MR. HAGGI1T: The applicants object to the llBJ mS.DOUGALL-SIDES:Yes.
1 . <,.-A1lil] additional representative. We did not object to Illll MR. HAGGITT:Just Cor the record, Leslie,
(20) Ms, Galpin as representative. She was a (2OJ do you have an objection if I provide the
[21) representative lltthe hearing before tile Doard, 121] appropriate code sections during my opening, if we
l'22I Dut we would now oblect to :I non-lawyer, (22] do it that way, so the Judge has the approprblte
(23) baslOllly, speaking on beluaIf of the apPUC2I1t (23) code sections on h;wd or do you want me to do that
[2.1 who's spealdng on betualf oC the property owner, 124} during my case in ch.ief1
1251 So I obltct to that at this point. 1'25} MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Well, no objection. Wc
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12I niE COURT: Mr HaggUt.
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(' ", 1<41 THE COURT: Ms. Dougall-sides. , recognize
151 you. Is Ms. Galpin here?
161 MS. GALPIN: Yes.
(7] THE COURT: Good morning, Is everybody
18) rc:ady to proceed?
(lil] MS. GALPIN: Good morning. I do have a
I'OJ question. I do have a representative with me to
1111 help us.Thls Is Mr. Don Brinson. ("..an he uJk?
112] THE COURT: Is he an attorney?
1'31 MR. BRINSON: No, I'm a real estate broker
II") that's representing the buyer,
1151 niE COURT: Okay. Any objection to that?
116) MR. HAGGITT: I would object as his being a
117) representative. She had a - she is teclmlcally a
11BI representative herself. So to ampllCy it by
Illl] having a representative Cor the reprcsenL2tivc and
(2Ol he's not a lawyer, I have a problem with it.
12'1 MS. DOUGALl.sIDES: One or the oUler as
l'22I represc:n tallve.
1231 THE COURT: All right. Let's go on the
(24] record, We can dc:a1 with that on the record. I
1251 RiJess it's good that this has been on record, But
111 MS. GALPIN: I would like to say that
1'2] Mr.lIaAAltt wasn't at tile hearing and I was.And
13] therefore. since Mr. Brinson w:l5n', :at the
[4] heulng,llhink that makes an equal.
[5] MR, HAGGITT: IC Mr. Drinson was an attorney
[6] I would lIgrte with her but he's not.
(7] MS, DOUGALL.SlDES: The City would have no
[B] objection.
191 THE COURT: I'U overrule the objection and
110] I'U allow Mr. Brinson to also speak on behalf of
11'] the appliClU1t at this proceeding,
112] MS. GALPIN: Thank you.
113] THE COURT: I believe the Carst order
114] of business at these proceedings would be for me
lIS) to receive the tape of the prior proceeding beCore
116] the Code Adjustment Board along with the minutes
111) of that meeting, all oC which have been
lIB] transmitted with the reCerral letter from the City
1191 to the Division oC AdmlniSlntivc Hearing.
120] So I - at this time, I will receive aU of
(21) those items in evidence at this proceeding,
(22) MR. HAGG1TT: Old the City forward to you
\'23] the exhibits?Thal was not. referenced In the copy,
[24) of the letter 1 received, I just wanted to double
[25] check.
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111 officiaIly wc'U open the record Cor thc hearing.
[2J We're here for the case entitled - I'm probably
1'3] going to get some pronunciations wrong here, Fred
141 Hein1ge,
151 MR. HAGG1TT: Helnige,
16) THE COURT: And Irene Heinige, Felice F.
(7] SaIernl, Velda A. Salernl, Harry Angelides, Helen
IBI Angelides and D:mIel Fernandez, who are the
191 appellants, versus MariaA. Curry and the City of
110] CIC2rWater, respondents.This has been given
111] Division ofAdmlnistrath'e hearings case number:
112] 98-1887.
113) My name is J, Lawrence Johnston, an
1141 administrative law judge with the Division oC
115) AdmlnJSlratlve Hc:lrings.And 1 tuave been assigned
(16] to this case to act as the hearing officer under
(17) the City of Clc::uwater Land Development Code.
118) At this time, would the partles make their
11ll) appc:a.rances and we'll deal further with the
(20) appc:ar:mces on behalf of the applicant?
121) MR. HAGGITT: My name is John Haggitt.l'm
(22) the attorney for the appellants who arc: Adjacent
tl3) vrojperty owners in the :actual district affected
[24) and the adjoining single-fa.mily residential
125] district.
II] THE COURT: I don't believe so.
1'2] MR. HAGGI1T: 1 think that all exhibits
13] should be presented to you now under the same
I.] provision-
15] THE COURT: Yes. that's true.
(6] MR. HAGGITT: - that's before the Board. So
11I 1 don't know if the clerk has the original file of
(B] the documenf:U1' evidence in it or not.
(9] THE COURT: Let's go oCf the record and
110] clear that up. '
Ill] (At this time a discussion was held orfthe
112] record).
1131 THE COURT: Let's go back on the record.
11.J Without objection,' will also receive this
lIS] exhibit, the petition with signatures stamped
1161 received by the City CierI{ on May 7, 1998. The
[11) petition itseIhppcars to be dated March 25th,
[IBI MR. HAGGI1T: I don't know why it got date
[111J stamped so much later. but it was.
[2OJ MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: , had one other matter
[211 which is that my copy of the minutes of the
(22) meeting below do not include page II, and I wanted
[2:Jl to make sure that the record did include that last
[241 page of the minutes.
[25] THE COURT: I don't think it did.As I was
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HEINlGE ET AL
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
:
BEFORE mE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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III were: going to provide cerUncd copies of Ute code
I?J seclions.
131 MR. HAGGITT: I will provide them 50 he has
141 some right at hand. That's not a problem.
IS! Again, my lUme Is)ohn H2ggUt.1 represent
[~l Ute: appeU:mt51n this case. Fred and Irene
PJ He:ln.I8c: own a triplex which is one buildmg
181 removed from the SUbJect propcrty. 11lI50
lQI represent Velda Salerni and Harry AngeUdes and
1101 his wife Helen who arc adjaccnt slngIe-faml1y
[1l) residence owners.
II~ The AngeUdes own the slngle-faml.ly home
1131 th:Itis immediately behind the triplex in
1141 question. So it is an ad;acent property In Ute
IISI slngle.f.unlJy rcsldenUal zone.
Illll The triplex In question is under contr.lct,
117J as you've heard. So basiC21Jy, the llpplicant is
IUl] the prospective purchaser of the property. And
119] the property now is being used as a rental. It's
f'2O] again, a triplex. There are three renuJ units on
121] the property. I think, traditioruilly, the
l2iI properties in this area, there are 14 triplcxes in
1231 this area. Seven on each side of the street.
124] And these sc:vcn triplexes, some of them arc
~S1 used totally as rentals. I think I'm safe and
[II today, llhlnk, will lndlcate Ulat.
[2] ntE COURT: Ms. Dougall.sldes, you may make
131 your opening s12tements.
141 MS. DOUGAU-SIOES: Such as the appelbnt5 )
151 have indicated, there were two v:ul2nces granted
[51 by the Board below. I believe the evidence t0d2y
m th21 will reflect the objections of the appelbnts
(e] were based more on their pcrsonaJ opl.n.lons than
!OJ upon any document2t1on Ulat was presented to the
1'0) Board of ;tdverse affects upon the neighborhood.
1"1 The appellimts were present ;tt the hearing
112/ 2nd dJd SpC2k. The Do.mJ did consider thcit
1131 testimony which was oomewlUl.t lengthy,and the tape
1141 of the hearing which is in the record reflects
('5] Utis,The appellants submitted no evidence bcJow
(IS] of any adverse affects upon real properly values,
If 7J Increased traffic, noise, wzndering residents
1181 about the neighborhood or any of their
1111] allegations,
1201 For the applicant, two rcaltors testified,on
1211 her behalf that there was a need in the area for
1221 the facility, and the applicant'S representatives
[231 indicated that the proposed residence would
1241 not - would be elderly, ambulatory persons. The:
125] applicant agrc:ed on the record that they would not
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111 accurate in saying tlut a ID:I.jority of these 14
[2] properties includes an owner unit and two rental
131 units.
[41 The applicant for the two variances,
ISI again, is a prospective purch.aser and w;mts to
161 operate an ACLF, an Adult Congregate Facility In
m this triplex, convert II from a triplex to a unit
leI that would service 14 adults. The variances that
IVI are required from the code arc: two. And the
[101 applicable code provision is section
1111 41.1- excuse me,41.201, family, group and
112] congregate care facilities,
113] The two V:l1'~ces required arc one,
114] separation of 500 f~t from a single-family
[15] residential district.nle property in question
['6] requires the maximum V:l1'i.an~, which would be 480
[17] feet. When you take Into consideration the
1.81 setback from the lmmcdi2tcly adjacent property,
11UJ the 480 foot varbnce is the maximum that could be
(201 allowed.
121) The second variance is separation from
1221 another group care bcllity.The code requires a
1231 1,200 foot separation from another group home.
12"1 1bis partlctili1r wlit is closer th..:u1 that and
~5] rcquired a variance of 460 feet to that code
[11 take mental hca1th cases, that they would not take
[2] younger or disturbed cllents,as they pUt it.
Pl We had a City staff member, Mr. Richter, who
14] is very experienced in revieWing these
{51 :lpplications, who prc:p2J'ed 11 staff report
{51 recommending approval of the appliCltlon. His
[7J testimony \VoIS unrebuued. He opined that the use
[81 was compatible with the neighborhood, that it
[9] would not generate additional traffic. The
(to) application had been circulllled (0 other City
I' 'I departments, engineering, bndscaplng, traffic and
[121 so forth. It did not receive any adverse comments
['31 from them.
(141 The record bdow reflects that the applicant
1'5] met parking requirements and had the Department of
[161 Elder Maie's approV<ll pending a fire inspection,
[17) which seemed to be the only neccssary licensing
I'BI left to get.
11 III The Board did Impose a Landscaping condition
/'2Ol along East Drive and on the perimeter of the
121] parking area, which we contend was te2sonable and
[22] lnserts to buffer the use from the neighborhood.
[231 We believe the evidence will show that the four
1241 aiterm set forth in section 45.24 were: met.The
125] Cll}' will pccsent Mr. RIchter's testimony on that
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(I) provision. I'll give theJudge'a copy of the 1'1 issue.
121 Qc::uwatcr code that applies to this particular rn Additionally, the comprehensive plan
13I use: of the property. J3J of Ute City contains goals, objectives and
14] The hearing VIlaS held hc:fore the Board and 14] policies which were supportive of locating these
151 the: Board granted both variances. The first 151 uses in resldentW neighborhoods with appropriate
161 variance as to the: separation from a single-famlly [61 safeguards,
17I ccsldenUaJ district was approved by a three to [7J Under the code section 36.065, which governs
18] two Vale with the descendIDg Board members finding /8) these land.use appeals, there 15 only allmited
191 that there VIlaS no justifiOltion for such a !OJ review contemplated of the action below.And the
110] variance, such Ii. great varl.ancc. [10J burden of proof in this proceeding is on the
(Ill The second, the separation from the - [1'1 appellants to show that the decision of the Board
1'21 of the other group home was approved by a 5 to 0 ['21 cannot be sustained by the evidence that was
(13] vote. TIle posldon of the applicants - and Ius. 113) presenred before the Boud and before you today,
114] to back up, the Board made it5 lUommendations and 1.41 or th2t the decision of the Board deparls from
(15] voted based on a conclusion with no argument and {15J any cssenUal requirements of law.
IIG] no discussion that the applicant met the [lG) And the City believes that the evidence will
1'7J requirements of section 45.24 of the Clearwater [17] demonstrate lh:l.t competent subsuntlaJ evidence of
[If] Code of Ordlnance5 which Is the sectlon ah2t sets lIB) records supported the DCAB's decision to approve
11111 forth the st2nd2rds for approval of a variance. 1'11] variance at Utisloc.ation. (...., '
1201 Thc position oflhe appe:llants Uut I (20] lllE COURT: Thank you.Any opening
RlI represent here to<hy,lncluding the people Ulat 1211 statements from the applicant.
R2I signed the petition opposing Utis proposed [22] MR. BRINSON: Yes. On behalf of the
/:31 V2J'WlCe, Is th.1t the appUCUlt did nor In fact 1231 applicant we would like to reiterate what U\e aty
R4J meet the standards of approval set forth by 1241 attorney and stafT has emphasized.The fact that
125] section 45.24.And our testimony and oresen12tion 1251 even thouRh I was not oresent at the lime of the
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CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
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DE.FORE TIlE nON.J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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(I] THE COURT: Would you nise your right (II 0: Number five is - that 15 your unit, is th2t
I2l hand to be sworn. I2l correct?
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1161 Q: And that property would be one ~roperty {17) straighten those off and then go on the record.
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~~""<.,"~:...~~u'~%?lhc'same'.5fa'to(ihe"!it'h;'etf'~<.......d..~................... ... ,. (22l THE COURT. Arc you ready to go back on the
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1241 Q: l'm going to show you Ute map ~t was mad: ("25) BY MR. HAGGITT:
1251 part of the record below with the applicant's materials,
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(10] there are trlrlexes on the cast side of East Drive, is [10] received as composite exhibit next number.
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::~"'.~.Q~"Aijr::-~'o(the~.'pa;.cas"a;~.cxacdythc ,w.... .. ... ...., 113] MR. HAGGllT: Starting over.This is number
1'41 same size, is tlutt correCl? 1'.] one.
. '.J:~:;A.':Wd1 'the "'::(fHfci'lri'ihe:iWo:.oc'diOQ1!i' Ct:i\(cr;,:::(:'.':,>:',':-: .:: :>'::.:.: 115] THE DEPONENT: TIus is the first one,John,
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1211 lots on the west Gide of East Drive have triplexes on 121) southern most trIplex on East Drive, with one
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12SI seven triplex properties on the east side of East Drive 1251 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: And number one would be
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'141 MR. HAG GIlT: I re:quesllhat tltls map be . .,
ISI received as the ne:xl numbered exlubll,And lfyou
161 can-
(7) THE COURT: It's actually - it's already in
(BI evidence having been received, as part of the
{gl materials that you referred.
[101 MR. HAGGITT: You need 10 note tlutt th;I.t is
1111 in fact the map llut we arc referring to.
(121 THE COURT: Yes,
1131 BY MR. HAGGITT:
It41 Q: Mrs. Heinige, ('ve got pictures of sc:ven-
1151 excuse me, six of the seven triplexes that are on East
1161 Drive.And these triplexes will start from the norll\ md
117) work to the south based on the numbers that lICe on the
liB] back of them.
1111] Number one will be the northern most triplex
(20) and number six would be the soufllern most. Could you
1211 describe those pictures and identify them ;IS triplexes on
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III hearing, I have reviewed tI\e testimony that was
121 given OIl that particular time. md I feel the
, ',--. 131 evidence will show clearly that It was more of II
( i '41 personal opinion more so than fact In regards to
. (5) their concerns wiU\ the neighborhood.
[sJ We will be ablc to show specific
I7J neighborhood criterb. or dab that truly shows
IB} thllt in other areas, whC(c present, foldllties
I9l tlult are similar to this one c:xJsts right now and
(10) in no way has rnarlcet value of properties been
1III affected at lI1I. Clw1glng of neighborhood has not
1121 been affected.And the fact that if one went and
1131 drove down the street of other ACLF faciUflC$.it
114) would fit in right with the neighborhood itself
lIS] and }'OU rc:ally could not even see a dlfference
116] from an outward appearance:. So the changing of
(17) the nclghborhood is not It concern.
1101 Other ,th:m tlblt, I fcel th2t we can
Illll proceed.
1201 THE COURT: All right.Thank you. Do you
1211 have evidence you wish to present?
[22) MR. HAGGITT: I have some evidence I wish to
(23) present in addition to what you've already
124) received. I call ;IS l my first witncss,lrene
12s} Heinige.
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CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE mE BON.J. LAWRENCEjOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pooo 23
III the norUlern -
(21 MR. HAGGJTT: Number one Is the northern
pJ mosttriplex,And I believe number three is the
141 appUant's property,
[51 THE COURT: Let's go off the record again
161 and make sure We get this straight.
[1J MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, could they
IBI identify them on -
[QI THE COURT: Yeah. that's what - tieing them
1'01 to Ute lot number.
I"J (At th!s time a discussion was held
1121 off the record,
1'31 nie COURT: Back on the record then.Any
1'41 other questions, voir dire concerning the
I' 5] exhibits?
[161 MS. DOUGALL.stDES: No, sir.
117] MR. BRINSON: I would Just like to ask her
II BJ why lot number 11 did nol have: a picture taken of
[19) it.
[2OJ THE DEPONENT: Because the man docs not lake
[2IJ care ofhls properly. It is a mes.'i.
J221 MR. BRINSON: It's a mess,
1231 ntE COURT: Any objection to those piclUrCS
[241 being in evidence? WiUtout objection, they'll be
[:!5] received. For the record, it is a Composite
[II think tl1:11 as the lIuorney slated th:1t UUl.t
12J represents setbacks or yard descripUons of the
13] overall subdl\lision and I don't think that's
14] correct.
[5} THE COURT: All right. )'11 nole that
[61 obJe:cUon.AnY Olher objecUons to U,e photo
m belns: in evidence. I'll overrule that objection.
[6} Th2t's the witness' testimony. You could
~ cross-examine on that or produce your own evidence
1101 to counler It if you disagree with the te5timony.
[III Just so I understand, in loolcing at thIs
1'2/ photo, which 15 now received 2S appelliu1t's
1131 ExhIbit Number 2, what Is the structure to the
\141 right of the phololls that a single-liunlly home?
[151 THE DEPONENT: Yes.
[tGJ THE COURT: And the fence to the left-
1m THE DEPONENT: Divides the triplex.
[16J THE COURT: To the left- in other words,
ItgJ behind that fence would be a triplex?
[20] THE DEPONENT: IUght.
[21} THE COURT: And what- which triplex is it
[22J that's tight behind here?
[2'3} THE DEPONENT: I took 50 many o( them,
(24) THE COURT: It says back yard, .seven. Does
(25) that ~ve you -
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[II Exhibit Number 1. and they have nowbecn tied to [II MR. HAGGITT: That wouldn't help.Th2t was
121 the lot numbers that appear on the plal, ) guess 12I my identification only.
PI you caI1il, tIUlt was Just c::ltUer referred to in 13J THE DEPONENT: This is the end of the fence
(4) the proceeding that shows Where the applicant's 14J and right over here wouid be the single-f:unlly
[SJ properly is and where the witness' property is. IS) home,
ISJ For the record, the picture desi.gru1ted (GJ THE COURT: My quesUon is, where along
{7t Number 1 on the back is lot ten. Number 2 is lot (7J this - where along the - whlch triplex is it,
[8) 12, 3 Is lot 13.4 is lot 14, 5 is lot 15 and 6 is lBI the one that's behind this fence in the exhibit
ltll lot 16, So they're received at this time. [al that's in evidence now?
I'OJ (At this Ume Exhibits 1,2,3,4,5,6, (101 THE DEPONENT: I took, I think. four
(111 photographs of the applicant's and (III pictures of the ones that were in tile - that
112) Mrs. Hcinige's property were marked (or (\21 would be OUt of the variance Slage. Let's sec.
[131 identification). 1131 Now, thIs is the end of the tri - I don't know
11~' BY MR. HAGGm: ['4J which one it is.The end of the triplex and
[151 c: Mrs. Heinlge. this next picture which I have 115] there's the man's garage or something right behind
[IBI marked number $CVen which will potentlally be Exhibit 2, 116) here:.
117] What does th.,t show? 117] THE COURT: All right. So you - it's one
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[201 Q: That is Ute: structure of the triplex on the (201 THE COURT: You may proceed.
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[25] abuts up to the: single-family residence? l'25I Q: Arc: any or the other 14 triplexes in the area
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141 Q: An uus wowd DC the Single-lanwY reSidence? ':(4) ;,;,::/~ :l':lo;.,.,..m.c,occupy~.ut; <:enter.,.1l~:owne~$.,~d;ulexV/!",,:;::,:.:,:<.:\:,~..:tl
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f1 n : ~h1fb~~~~:lI:l~~fJ~tt.'t. ~\I,:\~~.:<:,(t~n]9?I. ',.' :'\: ::: ::',:,::,,:,:; ~:..: .:; Ill) MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Yes, just brieny, your
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(14) photograph renect the approximate distance between the: 1141 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
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1181 perspective on c;lch and every Jot between the triplex and 1'8J Q: Are you trustee for a living trust regarding \.
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~l ~:it 2~GGITT: I request this be recdved as ~:tI::~:~Jitfr~Lmt:~.<:tl::.::~jf~;~!~i~:.::.t;':)'r>.::~'~::;::':::~::.:i,'::.;.: :>.,.:.:."::':"~
[23J MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, could I object (0 1231 Q: And he circulated the petition whIch
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HElNIGE lIT AL
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
BEFOUE TIlE HON.). LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June lOt 1998
IIJ Q: You circulated it yourself? 111 It was not Ule burden of my c1h:nl at Ule
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(12) Q: You testified at the oCAB hearing, did you [12] It's on the record, You may proceed.
1131 not, that you were concerned about residents of this \131 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
~~~J=~~~;~~':~~~~'~~~~~~=;<t;~"'>:'>:'~):~'<"';>~~::~~;,~M""'i",:'":,,,~<~~ [,..] OCAna: I thindk YOUdsafd you had testified before the
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US] Q: You don't n:::illy fulVe any basis for thlnJdng 1181 Board other thm the petition?
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(2"1 Q: Have you ever called the police fegarding the (24] thc petition?
~~ 5hal'OmWe people? [251 MR. HAGGITT: Let the: Judge show you a copy
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16l 0: So your knowledge of the Sharondale people: '161' . "lliE COURt'i'SO'yoi.I're iCferrlrigtolhe.'....'..,..,.........,.. ... ." ....., ',.....
(7) wandering is based more: on people: telling you that7 [7} letter d1ted March 25th, the fll'st page of Utat
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, (9) Q: WhiJe you were over in their neighborhood - /tlJ MS. DOUGAll-SIDES: Yes.
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[1"1 MR. HAGGI1T: I would guess it would means - (14J MS. DOUGALl...IlIDES: Nothing further.
\'61 MS. OOUGALL-510ES: It is the: fire nlarm? [15) THE COURT: Any cross-examination from the
(16) (At this time a short recess was held). , [161 applicant?
\17] THE COURT: Back on the record. [171 CROSS-EXAMINATION
l'IlJ BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: [181 BY MR. BRINSON:
[19] Q: Now, Mrs. Hc:Inige, I bdlevc: you St2ted you 1191 Q: Yes, Uyou don't mind. Mrs. He1nJge, is it?
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(U] Q: And wouldn't it be correct th2t the chiJdren [~.(I Ute existing ACLF for me, please, and D'W'k it with a
1251 would create a certain amount of noise? ~5] pencil.
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/2J Q: Your contention is Utat Utese folks I2l here's your street. ,
(3) across - or up the block th;lt Mrs, Curry proposes would 13] llIE DEPONENT: Thanks. (s that what he -
.J~ul,~~~7~~~C?,~~,~~.~,rJ:im~,.~~~P.!~~L,.. ,,,.,,.,'.,.;.' ",.....".. ::: ~~: ~~~~l~:: ~~=~k~~:~ you to show
n~;.~:(4~i::l#~1~~~i~~~~':p#.r~.i~~~::~'}}~;::::!:r:[;i:::';~:'~:::'.:::'::,,'::,' [6] me, please, if you do not ~d, what lot or what
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;{tiFtrue;J.litn:~u'hav~,:otti~peop.tc::tfuit::wpu~i1Jt;tYe:td,<:omtr':::..,"; ;..,:::,". [8] THE DEPONENT: TIut I own?
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[111 Q: So the basis of your concern is it's mainly Ill} llIE DEPONENT: That's on 5harondale. Now
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[i~].....woMR:HAG"(frtivi"F'or'ffi'c"re'~ord:'iffc.ui""'o'~ ~ .."",'.."......" ....,..... ...'1...1 THE DEPONENT: Is it thlrdhouse in on the
[IS) obfect.The: basis (or the camplaUtt Is the ('SJ le(t.h.:u1d side?
[16] f:aUure of the Board to follow its own code IIISI THE COURT: To your - I think the question
, "7) provisions. I think it's an improper attempt here \171 15, he's aski.ng you to give your :lJ1swer the: best
, J [18] to shift the burden of proof,Just (or the 1.81 you an, you know. (f you c:m't, tJtat's your
'-/ 1';1 record, I Ulink Utere are technical objections to \191 answer.
120] the codes, just so we're not - we don't (20) THE DEPONENT: Of where the: house is?
/2'1 mlsunderstand what we're here for. 1211 THE COURT: Yes, to your best knowledge or
(22) We're here: basically because the Board {'22] beUef, if you can.
1231 didn't follow Ute: requirements oC Ute code in (231 llIE DEPONENT: Either the Utird or Ute:
/241 determining whether or not a variance should be: /2"1 CourUt house to Ute left as you go towards Unwood
1:261 Rr:tnted. /251 where Sunset all used to own,
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IIJ MR. HAGGlTT: Do you w:anllo mark the ones "ill' bciudf\J1.' .: . ' .. ..,.
[2J you think it is? [21 . Q: Oka'y, It's shOllY, Now. you sUled eadier" ..,'.':
[3] TIiE DEPONENT: 011. boy. [31 that Utere was a reason that you did not lake a picture
((1 MR. HAGGIIT: 1bisls Greenlea,lllis 15 [(I of, I think, lot 11 because: YOll s;aid that H was a mess
ISI Sharondale. [51 and shotty. as weU, on your streel?
161 TIiE DEPONENT: Right. Sharondale.l'm not :.l6)" .: A:':Y~<"" '..;'.:;.:-;";. o-:'...::<::.':.,:>:.'..:'..,':,-t.::.:. :.:.',: ...:":, ... '" .
(7) sure if it's th~ third or the fourtlt. (7) Q: Now, where is that in relationship 10 where ..... ..:........:.:.<.....
[el MR. HAGGm: You can circle both ofthosc:. leI you live?
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1131 Q: Can you tell me, based upon your persorW 113J Q: Now, what would you say the: average: age' or"' ,.... . ... ..
1141 experience of the neighborhood itself, I know you stated 114J owners and terumts arc on your street?
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~t "H'8: If~~oiiid~b.to..ihC'se..pro;ertY'.C;~~t".'.nw'w.'...".,....,.,"",,,......,,,,.,. [21J lliE COURT: - first name?
p.3J there to get in to have a. look, would you fib on something [22J TIiE DEPONENT: AtlwlclJ spelled
[24] else? [231 A.T.H.A.N.E.L-L.
[25} MR. HAGGITT: I object as to _ [24J lliE COURT: King was the last name?
- 125] lliE DEPONENT: T112t's correct,
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BEFORE TIlE BON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
HIDNlGE ET AI.
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
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III TIiE DEPONENT: That's ridiculous. How would II) BY MR. HAGGm:
[21 I get in there otherwise? (2] Q: Ms. King, could you please: state: your
[31 BY MR. BRINSON: [3J residence address?
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16J Q: I'U withdraw that question, ma'am. Asking an 16J receiving noUce from the City of this he:aring is that
171 regards to how the outward :appearance of the building (1J correct? ·
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(1st :lhCy;mu.:~~:~'re.;to.~;ffiough~p~~A~:n~.:~~YPW::~Jt:'1':{>/:) [181 add to th!s hearing? Again,) did not know you were going
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CURRY AND CITY OF a.EARWATER
DEFORE TIlE RON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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III exisUng group home is? [II for a momenl?
::~;'::;~'~:J.\f)'Vdl;whflt:t~d~~tt6:$ity~~J~.'thll.t:iuY':;'''::'-.,:'.:'' :.... [2] THE COURT: TIle petition~
(' "~ .:~l: ~\!~~4.~ ;I,Jt:rft' ~~.tWm.~M1~~:On. S,h~ncble for .25. ..'.:.. [31 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
, i~l:Y.~ ~d~ ~:i~~~CU.~~~~.:.()t~~,~~~Cf;1 ALP. ;:::.., ".' 1-4] Q: ('m showing you, Ms. King, Ute petition which
:::($t:.~~i:!~JJ~tw~.!!:~: .,~~'~~~.~~~~:~~rrC';;:.\':::'.::',::.:. IS] tt:lS been received into the record. It looks Uke your
h61 :.~~.~.~CS{bti~~iUiH:i:'9ttlf:!}jf.ijturl,iU,1:3~e$~?t:::;,;;::",,::~;::.,u 16] husb;md's slgruature on U1C~ first page. Can you direct me
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hfnstre<f~Uiou~:not{c'~~S:W;\'ci'(:t6'ijf~ffirW,.:(6Uttf1':-":::':,:/':::':':"::" I11I ' "Q: Arid th.ii"docs notidlectthe d2te th2'7~" . . ..
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lf4]"l1vJ,ng'taclUdes:111~r:itcj':Y"~~~'ari~):;selW:'j,:::::..:.~::.::,.:::,::';;.:: :,..]...... MS;bOUGAIl~SIDES: No"tuither'qucst!ons': . ,.... ", .
r2!jf'JOnptt.ittiC: 'resldet\t1;'such:.as' iny:.husb:ilid t'.yiiill6iilfd',:/>:':: :.;.:'" ':. ':' .,.......";:; \251 MRS. HEINIGE: Excuse me, I understand
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[6) MR. HAGGm: I don't have any oUler
[7) questions of Ms. King.
{sJ mE COURT: Anything, cross-examination?
(9J MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes. First. I would
. --'" (l0] just note: that Ms. King appears to be here as a
}{I1] member of the public,1l1ese hearings do receive a
, ._.1 (12] pubUc notice in addition to being provided to Ule
(13) parties.
{I") mE COURT: I understood she was being
{IS) called as a witness for the appellant.
(16J MR. HAGGITf: I called her just to give her
(17] the opportunity to talk. I did not know she was
(IB) going to be here. She: is a member of the public
(Ill) that appeared as a result of the notice that was
l20J sent out. ] just learned of her being here at Ute
(21) 'hearing. So just to give her the opportunity to
(22] speak,] introduced her in that manner.
!2'3] MS. DOUGALl-SIDES: Then the AlJ will
[2") sometimes have - you know, call members of the
['251 public as a separate portion of Ute hearing and
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III Utere's one on Antielem,
{2] THE DEPONENT: Antietem is the one I'm
13] looking for. It's on Kenesaw,] know.
I"] BY MR. BRINSON:
[5] Q: WeU, that - if( could teU you, that's in a
[6] totally different subsection.'fhat's all the way over.
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[8] Q: No, it's not. It's in a totally different
(9) section.
[10) THE COURT: Well, at this poInt you can't
[11) argue wiUt the witness or testify. You can just
[12] ask questions,
[13] MR. BRINSON: If) could just let the record
[1") reflect that out of the size of this, it's not in
[15] thIs section. It.s in a - it.s even further east
{16] from Keene Road which Is in - actually -
{171 THE DEPONENT: It's one street up. One
(18J street removed.
119] BY MR. BRINSON:
f20J Q: All rIght. So it's outside. Would you show
~,I!..~~Jo.~le ~~:~r.~t.'p'~~S~.?":';'A"'"'''''''''''''''''''' t:.:..:....... :A.:.f,;:'" . . .... ... ...
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(25) THE COURT: Is Utere a street number or a
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III sometimes as witnesses for dUter party, III lot number of those - of Ute ones Ut:lt she
(2] THE COURT: All right, I understand. [21 circled therel
(3] MR. HAGGm: I don't have any objection to [31 MR. BRINSON: TIlis is the one] think she
(4) her being included as a witness for the ("I circled.
{5] appellants. (5] THE DEPONENT: Fifty.nine and - she circled
{6J CROSS-EXAMINATION (6] 59,
(7] BY MS. DOUGALL-SIOES: (7] MRS. HEINIGE: I w:lsn't cerL:1in.
{SJ Q: Ms. King, you said you were not present at the (Sl THE DEPONENT: Dut th2t's correct within one
(oJ hearIng before the Board, is that correctl (91 house of the other,
l~or..::,:'A;:Thil,t'6,~rreCta 4<<:b)~(r~lvc:no~1~';::i::",:-::~':"",:":';' 1'01 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Can I suggcst that this
[I I] Q: Did you - you say you never received any (III map Ulat's being referred to be DUde into an
[121 notice in Ute mail? 1121 exWbll. It seems to cover-
fl:r\':'.;, "~ArT1Ut'trwi'tci:t.~ ':< ~\.::.:',;~.;:':: '::, :::'; ,,\,/&;;'::~'<'::::::ii:'~i::;::,:"::';:'/';::': ...:. :': ",.: ", '..:,:::,'::' 113] TIiE COURT: I believe that would be -
[1..I'...d.:"'But'yOU.S2ld. you'werc'O'i.it'oft:ovm'iidhe"iliUe"'" ........., ,. ..... 1'''1 MR. BRINSON: I was going to do Uut at Ule
.ll51 <:lLU1.~ h~lr1g,~}::~ll?" "M' "'u~"'"'''' ';"':':''' .. . ...',.....,:-. ',: .' . ....:-..... lIS] tim,e Utah t WI..:,,-l;hat I !ulVeina clwtt.h.i~e t,o since
IUll',~.,::.:,::A: .Yes..Misi flQ'u,It!eOl': .. rSi'u tn:l~"mc',.:,'}'::"""'::("':'~:'"::,,,:,,:-,,:':',,,,,;:,.: 116] we re as uwY lust cross gat s time.
[11]aWaic~MYhtisJ#rid.M.dJiwhCa))ve)JgnCd:tl~'p'eti~i4bj.J~:,:,:.....:,,>'.:: [17] . BY MR, BRINSON:
i118J"a.~.dl~'~'We:s.lgttett itj':wca1r~tltJ.iad;IlJ,wme:ls:,:'/;:::,.::.:; ;. . : : ". 118).: ':PA:: '~UlllJ1.~!;1~~n.c.~..a.P.o.~~:.?~e,.?I.1,~5.~?:.,..,.,: ':.. ...,.. .
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{2il1 'Q: So you were actually aware' of the hearing l2O] MRS. HEINIGE: East Drive, Ule one that's on
12'I,Ut.rough Mr~}t.~,Wgc;:r. ,'. ,". .....,......' ,..".',.'......,.,','.....,.w,.,,_,...::.,;..... "'..... ,..' .. <.. [211 THherE-OEPONENT Ea D' th .&..
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CURRY AND an OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE HON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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III BY MR. BRINSON: [11 would adversely affect your properl}'l
PI 0: Is it your underst.:mding, AUmnell, Umt ; t~r '...A: t do bCalU5e IlS J 6:Ud, thcy'-:Clnislnell5e6. . ':,':::.>.":'~:'.
131 Ulere's:m existIngACL on East right now? : m Flr&tor,aU.l'm.notJIS:U1ut^L~ :l&!ht;Y~dJn. my:::~' :. :,'
141 : ':~Ai,Yes;:there.l~;.: :..i:,; ..'....,.:'.'.,::.':..., . ...,;,:. . . . , " .,.:'" ':I-lI.$tatemc,nt..1 recognb:e they are v:el:Y,.vaJUablc:'((),~:,,:: :;<::.....< .
.IS):O:W.~e,rclsthit at?," .. "':.,. . ,..... .. ..... .. :1&J'.f;?lI11lN.nity..DuH don'.Uhlnkit'5"agoo~Udca.(or.~" ',;:,.~.:',.:',~:'. '..:
; (iiI :.,:':,:A::,t:w.~~ undeu~ it to be 1823....,:, :. t..:, ." ;.: i,. ..:. .":': .': :.l$})lC!gb~~h~od to, hll.~ ~ .~tly bUs1ne$$e$..~n.~ .dJey::'.:' ..' : ..
(7J Q: As far as part of U\I: appllcant.'s request? ::m"lU'CbUsiJies5esiDeal.use.llS r:~ S:lId;'dgtLt"now.ilierie.::";:,,>::::;,:.: ,..,,::....,:
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[121 can t correct the witness or testify and argue (.~.::op~~:.m.,tb~;lhC ~~ghbo~~l:!:g~mg.tQ:IO$C.~.::,,",;:.,:.,...:.:.::., ::.,.
:::l wi~R~l~~~~~; 1f:d~t~.ask questions. :~:~:'~~~~~f~~~:'~~i:it~~d:'~t~~:j~~::;:;:-;:~\::/\:::::.':;i::.' ..::,::;.;:...,.:.;\..,:
115] THE DEPONENT: I rcillze tJut 1823 through [151 Do you think the c:xlstence of the ACLF that's on
(16) 1827 is one single buDding. I do understand [16) Slurondale right down the street from you, do you think It
I:~ ::t'^rd ~uJd only guess th2t. on de pOdrtlon lUli d !1}~:;=i;t~.riJr~~~WJrpf,:f:~~.~~~~~:~o",;~t:{{X~.;:~;::~~:'::.::'~.:?:.::'>::(.:.'..::?:.':.,::~
I] n, or, tcver reason, accepte :IJl now t Vo'aS ...1.,..".... .....- ..,.. .. ..............., .. ,.... .......~;.:...,......,'"...',.,...,'...,...,",.".,'~...w'w:<.",."'.,-"",.";;.,,.,,,h:...,.,:..:,..
[IV) going after the other portion which is the ~st I ~~,:,,:m~,,~..rn~.~Ye..IlW 1~~.~tkrilJ-..~n:c....,..,"''''',....,'''',.."W...'.'M,'''^'',....,...
: ~~~~e~re from the &~o:~~::~:o:mg ~:;.f~:~=~~~T~~f~~11~~~~n~.~;~':~'\:iti;;::~~,:;:;':'\
123! Q: We'll accept that, 1231 MR, BRINSON: No J}lrther questions. . . ....
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[11 MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, could I :ask you a II) THE COURT: Any other witnesses?
12I question here on that because I'm a tittle 121 MR. HAGGITT: I'd like to call Ms. Galpin,
13] confused here. If I can't address the witness _ 131 THE COURT: All right. Would you raise your
[4] or do I wait until the time that we present 141 hand to be sworn.
[5J testimony at that particular timc Ulat there are [5) JUUA E. GALPIN,
[6] no others. [Sl WAS CALLED AND AFTER BEING DULY SWORN WAS EXAMINED
[7] mE COURT: Yes. Your purpose of your AND
[81 questioning of tltis witness is to elicit this [7] TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:
[9J witness' understanding of the facts, [81 DIRECT EXAMINATION
[10] MR. HAGGITT: I can stipulate on the record [9] BY MR, HAGGITT:
;11] that there is no other adult. congregate living 110] Q: Would you please state your full name for the
1121 facility on East.11tis will be the first one. I 111] record?
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(151 But there is not in fact another one. So I don't 114J Ms. Gn1pinl
(16) think we need to take any Ume on that issue. ff!it.'&;ZA;:::a@Q:pt~~~.:(;9Wfi.~J4~P.9.j;a:j~~~~F%itJ;:~::::kgtWf~\SFL:tU
(17) BY MR. BRINSON: [101 0: Your occupation or professionl
liB) Q: Other than Utis one that's over here in hnS\'~Af:l\:c:3I)#W.~(~;t#.Q~:~'ri!m*rC4:~~~r:::;:3:}:L:::r&Vr::'S{::r:.;;;":J
l,gJ AnUetem Acres, which is on the other side of Keene Road, [IBl 0: Are you here in your capadty as a real estate
1201 you're not aware of oUlers in this _ what we've been Ilgl broker for the purchaser or the sc:Uer of the subject
(211 ~oing over, am I correct? l2?I,l?,r~~rty?...u.....,t.ro:.~"..w.." ...... ..... ..,...w....x'.....'......"'..,.."., ......,
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151 Q: You had n,tentioned m your - do you know where [5) prospecliv~Urchaser?
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IBJ Q: You don't? She actually lives on East., right IB] Victor,A.S-r.J..E.
191 here, basically across the street from the :appli('2Jlt's IllJ BY MR. HAGGITT:
~'g'J~fW:~t~'j~'ii~g~~!S!~1~i\~xH?rl:c:m;:~id2::'~?E<a:iliXi: ~~.;::~:~:~,~~i~~~~;~,:;;~;~;::::~~;.;(~~~~::;~;:~:i:~;;~;(:~i:;;:B:(,{X::.::?:::r:':';(;;:::
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U!\l::;,~,:~. t;,~~H@}':..fl:.9.;,b~k;::~\&ll:d~,~Gt';ii<'>i\.M&i:\:,::~;;~:k;\:,.h::'~A",;::t;,Jb1::;,:.i:::;\~,;~ [141 var~uces requested, trult w c are the subject matter of
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(IIII Q: Lot 14. Do you feel, Athanell. based upon Il~) past?, , . . ., ............ .....,.. " ..., .... ,.. ,,'
!201 hour personal experience wi~ the existing ACLF, since you 1201 " :. An'm fiinllliir JOJ':tbelength of 1in1e'l~ fuld.;,.:. "::. " .,,' '.',1:',:
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1251 of the e1derlv and Ulose that need care. Do you Ulink it PSI that nine month period?
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CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE nlE liON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June lOt 1998
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(I) . . A:.nen~ds;We'Ve'h.:i.illff\JUy'o&tipIedO\U\tU:.' . ....... II] THE COURT: An)' questions on cross?
':m Utt:'hl:afl.ng.And III th2trlQlnnhe:re W!lS'llnujor pan1cJn' .' . (2] MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes, just bricny.
.'-'" 131 Utb.And Ute middle 5ect1on b noW. empty lUtd Ute tWO ':. '. . (3] CROSS-EXAMINATION
, .t4] side sections ate leavlng:And Jt',s l.mpeQUve that we '" : . " . 14] BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
,(51'come to'cidecl!lon c:Jthepv:a)' so'we catUUQVC on. :.>; '.' .. 15] Q: Ms. Galpin. you attended the Development Code
16] Q: During the perIod - the nine monUt period up ..16] .Adjustme.~~~oard I,tcaring"correct?
171 unlll the time of the hC2ring on the appUC2tion for the ,~J7L',:~::::~,'y'r;s~:.: ".:"::' ::.:..... :'. .-:. ::'. ':" . . ~ ' . . . ': :,::. , .
10) granting of the varl.'U1ces in question, could you tell the 10]' Q: And did you not testify at the hearing that
I9l Judge what those units were rented for, plC25C, the dollar I9l there was a need for this facUlty In the area?
(lol amount per month? i10(,:::,::2Ai':1ri'my" oplnJori,:UtereiS.li.neCd,;y' e:s:.Wc:'tcf.::,.:: :.,...
f'-i1 (::~.:(Af'lfulf18Z~iwtil:diis:itW6:bedi&iJifjjkfbaUi. .:':'('\::i,:~..";':'/::'.:..::: ,::' IHi: WMIAnUY. going lntopeople's,ho~:and I'm taJ.king SlS,,:: .'
U21: rent&Jo*,S2S:4n.:AA'~~:bRSi5lP~O~~ btt2t::!::/\d<i':.:' :'::::':'::!.:',\:.'r 11~ ~.~.rsCfArtd:~ :$Ce:th.a~'th; ~tulitiOti:or tfu:Jio~ Uu\t.::' ..-:, .. . .:. .:
1'3) mE COURT: 525 a month? 113i.1heY'Uv~ln;,Ari.dasa:r~l!li:il,IOokthii.4the "41r~"\:.':::::,::::/,':.L':.:,../. ,
114] THE DEPONENT: 525 a monUt. Unit 1825 It4r:..li~.dUWir,'tM':'::.lt'$"dai1.8erQU~;'niiriic:umes'have':,,;'::/,:::,:;,,::<:,,:, .'
116] which is the big one, 3 bedroom, 2 bath was rented If51:,'used,~o:#ftWd.'ia'gOiitg'Jritci:;tJtoiL~'{aJJd;wotkitt~'D."eue".i:.'
116] for 675. And 1827, which is the two bedroom, one 1.~::\)~'t>..~.~ie;:e:ond1Uo.ti'oftJll:.Caipet~dt.1lt:;:$pi.ke..;'frOm : '>'.:' .'
(17) bath on the other side is rented (or 525. But Iln\V,rht:f.e:~..~~~d been:dpped~lj'aridtl1at;~~~C.:., :....:.:
: :e~ ~~t~~.leases have ::::~ :::;~re on ~:::~~:~j:~~iib:~~~~~~~EEfj~~:":/:":::: ..., .
(21] Q: Did Mrs. Curry operate this as a rental i21n~reJ)~p1e:wilrcoti1'e bnmd ~:::tnt1:dq:U1clt.ADLSin(f;:::,: ':' ::
(22J facility in that she was not a resident on the property 12ZFiWe.,~:~edl.at1l.on~$9::theydQ~~t'l;xWc(iJ:n.wta~;We:::.:',:'~~::>.':':",::::.,
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1251 Q: So she has been using the property purely as a (25] Q: Do you recall testimony o(the hearing .... ...
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II] rental, is that correct? II] rcg<U'ding the, r guess, ffiatugement of the other facility
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[11] that it's proposed that the home be converted to such 19} Q: Where does she live?
['OJ configuration that it will be able to house 14 adults;1S ii"p\':.:.:::'-.AY;r1tiS ifoppi:)$Lte..o(t1i~fsubli::('t":p~p&ty~.:::':"....: '..'.:.' ::'
Ill) part of the adult congregate living facility. Is lhat iI1f;1t'ti'Iii?t:f;lirect1y.opp~ite;.Jt's.ciddy'-:rorileit:d..;,_.,:-.,...: .-:: .
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j23] ~ .::\:.:A.~J,.i()U..in:.~cit (liniiliar~ ':'.';:: :.:;.: ,:' :">:'>~;:: :r(:::./<~,:>>.::>?':.::.:: ":~: . rl3j a: Would she then supervise the subject property
(24] Q: - for a facility? Have you had any (24] from her property?
125] discussion with her regarding that? 12S)~::::::':.Ai.T.bi:.IieVe.slie.$j:olngto be: .w6tkirisHtiU.ume"'--:,"::',,(:: ,., :.-::~:.:.
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[10) what's the ~verage amount that a person charges to 11 IIO(.~.:s.o ~ty::~ulu:Y.~~~~.~~r.P::~~M,~~!!,V:..~o~.t"~:I;:/~:'(::: .:'::':.'::, :
111) person th:tt sllving in the facillh! or probably better 1~ll:.dOn.t.kriow.be~use.1t:du:a{.say":::':..,:,:".;,,,:":,x~:.:::,::;::.:/:',:,::,:".:::,.::':;,:..::...:,::: '.".: :: .. . ':",:'.
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[121 staled, how much is the average amount based on ,our 112.1..::.:. :_~,:;R.e~t:,::t~you, ~e\ ~f% ? ~rw<~ .,:.?'~!:'?, ~":""':~f: ,:::, ''''..:':'.' .. " '. . : '...
1131 experience that a resident pays for the privilege 0 lf~ ::...::; . ':.. etc. . ..;W~.ge.Lt,.....m.,::,:,:":',:..:~<'::::".'::::..::,y,,:,.:.:<'::~::_:,<:,.'..::,':~':.".:.:..:.,'.~::.,:.... .... ..:. ...,
1'411!Ving~,~,A.:<r.H71..............I... ....... ........6"'^'~....t;;;l.:.t........., .,...",s........,:......'.'..,..,... 114] THMSE' DC[oETRURITCHU:nJl got it from MSth,A1tm:mtn' t
[15]':::.. ::'A:..ul.eauuw C$~ooe" ..~W.wnS~i,~I"'Yl'.I%>.no~::::::: \..~',:.:.. 1151 : ess you wartl e WI. ess 0
(lli) v:cry 809d.utnui'lfyoUClUl'~l'lU::jusn~g:fro!1l:my:::..:.':'.: :''''::;::..:' 116] be helped on that point, she should testify from
117] e.xpt;'rlc:nce;..'?i~uld tb1n~.yo~'~~~~~~.~Jr+'y.:>.; ....,:...: '.::.' ..' '. 117) her own knowledge.. ,
It81' nowadaysi.~P::,t()".;tbout.1j400;,:,:.::-::'::i:~n:',:~L(,;,',;:},::",~.::,,"::::. :': ":,:.:' .. 118} THE DEPONENT: My feeling on that IS
,.../[19l '0: Approxim:ttcly $1,400 per person. Is that 119} that Gill's been having a rough time, too. She's
" (2Ol correct?,. . ... .. . . . . . ... .... .. .. . 120) tough. She's English and ) think she can deal
l'ZIF /.'A,:,Yes;t pe~eve'~ be:CltlSe9r.:.t,l;tJ~~ cos.tlJ~; :. :.: ::.,' ....: '.:. 121} wilh it.
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(23] , THE COURT: Per rnonlh? Is that per month? (23) Q: Where Is Ute facility in the Ucensing process
124] THE DEPONENT: lUght. 1241 currently? . . .... ". ,...,... .. . r
1251 MR. HAGGI1T: I have no other Questions, f25} '.;A: nle fir:ll thin~ we have to do is Ret a ...1. '. ",'
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HEINIGl! ET AL
CURUY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE THE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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. ,It) don1tbeUeve. we'Ve gone 'anywhere with Ucensing yet.,'.:, :"'.' '.>.,:'::' .'.. 111 th.ls?
/21 . . 0: You 'would need to con~ct Elderly Affairs? ., : 12) '. . ; 'AL11\al prolXlbly would ~'vcry;ciSy to do beeaUS<:'.....
:t3J' ',; "An#ri1tbeueve sO;(bdievcthAt we'U Ju~t ,:';; ..; ,/ ,-:" ',13fJfYi:lU tool'.llt.the plC'nl~5()f.thatwaUJnIrOntryOu:,":.":"': ',: .;. .'
(4):. cto:se on the.~enl and the: buy~s will. then, be the O~U~f5~ ',.. . ,.,..: ";... :: ~41 'just have ,to pUt 11 8:litctbete IU\d 1 th.~k. Lh:it would '-'e,.:. ..; "
t$llt.hbl.~~they'regoinglo. .. . ,... "';',";..:.::' ...... ".~.jt.'lthJnk.that!s.aUyouwou1dl1ecd.':";"'::;"', ;.,.;.,.,:.",:....,..
161 Q: SO therc's'sornefurther Uccnsing? . '[Ill . Q: 'Wlu"t'abOut palient5 fighting' withca"ctl' other . .'
:.VJ ..:.:, ':,:'Ar::Yt'$;:Bilt:5hc's got All of her qua.UO~tlons'" '.' .::.: ':.::'.;.;.::,': ~ .>.' :::-::': .' f7] or getting into physical conruCt5, ace there any measures
,tBHn P.laCeiA!l1l1ci~emCnt, 'he's teady.~c's.<Ione.lt#. \,' ::;::":: ':.":: :.': (81 av:illable to prevent U1at?
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ll:JH':JWP~ P~.{I!~;~~~UM;M(H~W:~~.thr4:$lt;~b~:r(~~;'\'!:~;'it:.r.',:::' (131 niE COURT: Any questions from the
~:t.'~i;~~:i~~ieat~lil;~1~~[~!:~ij';,;,~ ::~ ap~R~~INSON: Yes. CRO~EXAMINA1l0N
1m Q: And would th2t be dderJy, mentally ill CI7! BY MR. BRINSON:
'.I~],,:;P.'~~~~":'l'oeU''''''''''''''''''''>:'''''''h.cl''''''''''U'''''''''/'...~...r'''....~.';''~':n:.::.'.,.,.:.:::,:,:.>':::';::..,~',:",..:.: liB] Q: Ms. Galpin, you stated that you're a real
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[I] Q: Are these people who need some help with da.ily H11::::./':?A: X~?:~:<:t~:::.'>':)::~:/:;::}::>:::'::;:}?::\(>iY;}':U;,~'::..{::'r:.:eH?f/i::r'.." ". ,.,,::;',
[2] activities, basicaLly? [2] Q: Based upon your expert testimony and Crom a . ...
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,'(6j,:i:het:k wliether"'liey~d~ilithcirTC:et and "shower und :"":'.'.:"::';.'::'.;:'./:', IG] expert witness.
.. {l(~)ile.rem.l.nd.:tl~c.tnJc;>. gcni*,.:ta~A~9wcr:lUl.c1)nQ.tl1.~..~hemr::';> ~ (7] MR. BRINSON: I have to dUfer with that. I
:; (OJ ,:~;:l~ y; W$:a.:pllre~tit!8 :~~'p.=U~~ l~ .9r n9t,. ::":: ::'.:. ::YA,z;' ;:' '::...:':,;, ..:':f:'.: 161 would think th:lt an expert in the field of real
Illl Q: What is the anticipated staffing level? [91 estate and values, and that's as 10 where Utis is
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It 2) Q: Do you reCl1l1 testimony that there would be: 112] THE DEPONENT: I sold 77 units last year.
!l~",..~~~~~,~~qti:~'~ili2~~~~ ...."...T..'..'..."~w"'.w'.w.'...m..^',..,....,. [13] :rn~ COU~ Just a ~ute. Do you want to
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['20] 0: And what. if any. deUverics would be [20] MR. BRINSON: That is exactly correct.
[al] ~tiA~,~pated in.'Yd~~~.~~r,i~~,CC:!'H""''' h' .... . . .. .. ........... F" ['21] Since the testimony always before was Uut the
l'221 :: ::.:.::. ~,~Ooj::to,s:. on. ,t.J~Y..g9':tc,) ~i:~/ l~odialr1st6. ::::::~:'l i;,'::::'::: ,:,.:.:::::.,:,;.:: ::' ['22] appellants I12d conccrn that their property values
J2:il "du~'Mid,they.::o(viU'&o,OI1(:C:":c:vet'y:two.(lr, ~l: .montbSi'lheY.-:>U\:::;::;(,) 1231 would be: diminished.
12.4i:.;,~:goIf;:'L;.::\:t:~;;:{);::?}.tY};::,'\:i\:,::;::::)'{,>~:;:,:,~:;/:;:,":'}::.?,:;',,:',':',::;\';':::',k:':\.:,::':':L:;rL'Wi [241 MR. HAGGITr: I would object also on the
/25] Q: In your experience with these facUities. how /25] basis that she's an interested party in tllls
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It) OWly times, let's say pcr year, would there be an [II proceeding,And for her to be an interested party
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[61 Q: When you were working in the facilities? [G) And based on that, I think site's not
~ pj ';':. ":Ao'<,yeS' 'No';:riot:J\.i6t.thti 'ficlUt1es .:Hi: horiit;S':i:;"~~,(,:T ';:,:ni";';"':'?,).~:,/ ::';"',':" (7] qualified and because of th:at bias and interest in
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lit)" .. 'Q':"SO'your'expa:i~nce"i;"bo'Ul"'Wi'Ul"'&ro'up'Qfe"Ni'd ",.."" ..,...,.." ,.... 1111 THE COURT: ('ll overrule th2t objection and
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11"1'. .I....;.;.,patic:l'....an: 'exccpthospltit1$;\'~::/:: ':~;; "?",!. :'::: :.r~ :.:,,:':':" :': .,:,:!;<.;::':::: ..;~., :," ':':::',.::'. :., "": [14] voir dire as to her qualifications to give
[IS)n''-'~Q: Aridfrorii'your'eX.perience,.ilic'Uierc.an"Y"Sl.cjj'S...."..., ."..,.. ,.." 1151 opinions in that area?
1161 lIvailable to prevent the residents wandering off the 11Gl MR. HAGGITT: ('m not going voir dire her.
117J pr~p~rty? . ,......,..n ":.i...;t'~_"'" . ,......' 'I......i.......'..,..'...... .'.....,. 117J Myobbjeclion WillI s~~,~ndthledm;ot~ that she has
[IB) :". :':A(:Yc5..l meal1i'u YOU,'illu'lwo.ve 60meOlle ~IJO; $/.':)i~}:',:;." ':\ :>,.:.'.:.' ',' 11111 not een proper )' ~u.......c. on ..",ve to
IH1I aff ear1y:Alzheimers patient. you just put;a loCk 9l:l the,::;/,?:'. :'':''.'i.: ,'.:'. 11111 qualify her, so J don ~ inle~d to.
(20) g:ttei,fill,thcseAtPs.tJw l:vebcen in~o where.thCy hilY.~:::::":':',,;~::,>,::,", {201 THE COURT: AU raght.llI overrule the
[2.ll.tJti~}}'Pe.()f.perS~I\:or.nttt~,hotll~s:llIld:"'.hAte\'er~:~~~:'i:.'::..::'.,:: ('211 objection then. You may proceed. .
tnl . tQciillthero.J.heY.llll have se<;udty $)'5tent:f and bell~ so. \:; '~:,;::,:/ ,.,:~. '::, ['22] BY MR. BRINSO N.
tz'I, otf :Whr:n.:t1fe.g:l~e:ogett:(lflt~.Jiot:OP.Cll<<.J O)t(ect!Y.:iX./ .'::: ~:;;}\<. ":.'. ;': (23) 0: Ms. Galpin, )'ou stated th.1t you have sold
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HEINlGE ET AL
ClHtRY AND an OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE HON. J. lAWRENCn JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
III cxlstingACLF home.The exisUngACLF is 1743, ifl am [llllccording to the laX rules.The assessed value is
121 correct. tiut's wh2t the address is based upon what we [21 71,7, and tllere has been three reflective sales
13] were able to fInd from the county records. 13] since 1970.
{41 Based upon what Ule Tax Assessors' office [41 THE COURT: I gOl that,Wh2t about on the
(51 reflects, could you tcll us what the just value of the [51 other address, 17 -
(lll property is and what the sales have reflected over the [61 MR. BRINSON: TIle other address is 1731
[7J last few years? (7J Sharondale reflects values - of a just value of
.,t8i:"'/J\f:'So,:yp\(~ntJrie.to tiilkBh9u.t]l:i~".~~~?):,~;;T:):\/:.\':":':: : ,,',,::,:i, [8] 58,600.The assessed value reflecting the same of
191 0: This one right here, 1742. (II] 58,6 showing two sales.
1101':.<{~:\RJght/fhis:p{o'p'ei:iYWas Sold.ln:::;:th~r~:7S;:~.:;':~::"..(.:::':/:::~,::::':-:;:','F:::~::'~ 110] THE COURT: I got those.The current market
~~~,:~~~1.42~~~ffi~Ja.)i~o1#1j~~:.~t;;::::'.:;":;'?};/.';::;;':W ::~ VaI~~~~~~~gN~~ ~~~:=:~~S:;~750?
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rrn~:Mr~u:;wfuiftli~~fVilu<::;woillkbC.im\ilid.'ii.boiit.')U~~."}~:\ 117) going into the internet no~.And Ute page doc;
liaj ::t~liJjQi#~:.#l Siy,~:f.*#.:~'W~~##~j~;'t;fN?}D1S.~;::~fl::!{(,~:~:jj::::f:i';1:f~;:j;:]:!::~n 118] give a market value.
lll1l ::;.:<r~y, ACCO@iiiR.:W dtt:~J?cr.l1:t.:We.:bHi'ont.:;,'.:".::<::":':~'''"';!'~:<'''::'' :.::-: '-':".::';',! Ilg] THE COURT: Well so Ute market value that
i2c(of.:~'#iW~:W~t4;*~~;~;::::d~@WMiMfKU&imbh~d:@j'Ym6>~J:tM 120] you gave, current mdrket values were approximately
[21] Q: So Ute record, according to Pincllas County [21] 90,000 for the rust property. What WlIS it for
J22] taX information you have before you there, reflects a {22] the next, second one, 73,-
(ZlJ constant increase in value, am I correct? From 1970 Ute {23J THE DEPONENT: Seventy-three-
[2.) value was 23,000? In 1987, a sale was recorded for [24] THE COURT: - 7507
('25) 75,000. In 1995, a sale reflected in the value of 88,000 (25) THE DEPONENT: Seven fifty, someth1ng like
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1'1 whereas the county reflects a value of71.7oo? II) that.
:;~.':'j~;:~~r.~~j~~,~~~~;~1~~;~!~,~t;~~:~!':;[::-;:;:.::t~:!rr;:;:\'~:;::i'j~t::;::~!jti1i:i~;j ~ caJ~~;~~RT: That WJS your testimony or your
I.] 0: So in your opinion there hasn't been anyUting {4J THE DEPONENT: My ca1cu12tion. 73,250.
15J to adversely affect Ute value of that property? {51 THE COURT: And what exactly - again, are
:{Ill:' .:::':~i'Nc?,:';';;:I'.~:(,:<(:>;:":.:;:f:::.>:;:',":,:,:;:;:,;.::;t:'::>/'Y)):';:':::>,:>:;,::):,::,:,:,,"r-,',:::.,::::,:::;::)::'::::'\:;:.;::~: 161 you saying, just or adju5t value?
J7) Q: Let me show you 1731 Sharond:de.1731 (7J THE DEPONENT: ('m saying just,J-tJ..5-T.
101 Sharonlble: re:flects sales in 1993 of how mudi? 181 THE COURT: What is Ute d1fference be:tween a
'{tlJ.'..:;tA.i:,SiXtY~f~r'~siii~MC:J~*,(j~~kLl)/':j'?'j:\::,,:,:,.:, , . . lio: ius~~~eEPodN~~::s~~~~,~~J~sn't show up as
lID!.. '.' ~:)nl.9..~ ~,~Julyd~.s.~ldL~g.,.. ....,.,."~":<.n,..,'.'...".,.,. .. ,.
!:~:":~::~~~~~~je:i~~~~~iJtii~~Thi~~t:~ij'j;;.:;.,,::..f':'':::':. ,::: !:~l ~~~:~~~~~tl~~;l~fl?~~l~~~~ ~~.t.
H;(J ',"[DA't\FIf~WKID9.",,~ij;-~~:b.WiW:qJ;:Z~~:;,:;:g:rC~:Ti~:\L::u.n::;.:(,:.,:::~':;;:;: ;:;3 [141 THE DEPONENT: Yes,
11'51" 0: So Utat reflects also wh2l, in re12uonsw~o 115] THE COURT: Any oUler questions of the
1'.6]...~; ~.uNrr~1:I:'.'l~~~.P2r~O~m~:~:;Rf}:N~~.g~H5~:,~:".:.~~P~r,:,...':,:' .':.::....:. .::, 1:6] Wi~~s~RINSON. No our H04lOr
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)110] 0: So out of that random sampling of adjoining or 118] THE COURT: Let's see. 1 guess it's your
[Ill) close properties, what would you discern as a real est;l.te 119] witness,
~ [20] broker that values in that subdivision arc dealing? 1'20] MR. HAGGITT: It's my turn,
rztJ' ''':.:A.~ T~ley.t~golrilftip.:.But 1 nave" to t~.u..:you..r': ::.;,:/:",c:c" .. c '. 121J REDIRECT EXAMINAT10N
~hi....en't per$O.ftllly..~o~c; and l()()Jc~~.t. Ut~ h,ouscs.Yc::ili. ", : 122] BY. M~. HAGGITT:
lZIi ..Lhey'te.golng:~p.,,:,.,::'<:' ".:\ ~:". ','::.':;,:::~h.:,,:,,;.,:,':,:..:,:',::,:.:.:.:':,'::' ..:.:' .....: '.. ',.:..:.. (23] Q: Ms. Galpin, when you mdicated that you
124] Q: Understood. . [24] haven't see:n these properties th2t you've just testified
p5r::' 'Ai 'Out'vc.th;they're ~oini:"'uP;'" ,::.,e"~:."";'" .. ,.,'.. '.' . ,.' : . 1251 to as far as increases in vaJue, CU1 you testlfy under
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['I 0: Is It based upon your expert tesUmony that 111 MR. BRINSON: No further questions, your
/21 you (eel that valUes are stable: according to present [2] Honor.
p] values or have they been declining over the last few P] THE DEPONENT: No doubt :lbout it.
141 years? 141 THE COURT: Aro: you S:1ying just value?
. !$f::::;ArV~lues."ln'hhti~'~'bl~:-propetty:b:r;':''''::::, . ...:,;:' .' IS] THE DEPONENT: Yes.We: have a just value
(8)" 5table;ln'fad;inhousCS;:~,niYov.lri.lo1\j"it,\~:gOi.itg up~; ::,:.,.. <::.:.... 16J now and an assessed value: in our public records.
::{7) If}'1)uJioU.~1f::)'Ol)~~.~Qod.,clelLO:~AAd }'Qu.~:..'.'.:.,::\\: [71 And then I'Ve been doing a little caJculaUon to
I{llJ tlo eVetfthc'tnf.tilitUl;inAtk~tirig~ ihvUrate~1.1tc:lfiat"Ia:t:',.. '.: /. ,: '.:., [8] come up with the market value:.
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[III subject property, how far do you think that's from there? 1111 THE COURT: Just - go ahead.
(121 }:UAd'd bavcfu.look'at'Jt'CarilldOkittiUili;Vit;.ti#.'S;i;':(},((::,'.':):::':':;;:::,.,',::, 112) MR. BRINSON: - reflects basically three
it:!J" ""'..a"i"'b( caUf'S(;: ...,..'.,.H...,... ,.." .....,.....,. ,. ",,,-'....,. ...".,.~,..., > ",..............., ",,' .".. II:!] types ohaIues in residenti.:LI prope:rties. One,
1141 MR. BRINSON: Let the record reflect we h2ve It41 they will state lust value. Secondly, they will
(15) a r:utdom sampling of the neighborhood dealing witll 115) assess - they will provide assessed vaJue which
{'61 value accordlng to Pinellas Count}' records. 1181 is based upon property tax. and the mi112ge.And
117) THE COURT: Wcll,l UUnk this particular (17) then they will also provide you with D12J'ket value
110] address is on the map tlult is in evidence. It 1101 based upon an overall corrcbtion of the
[IUJ appears to be lot number five on the - IIQI subdivision or adjoining propcrties,
120] THE DEPONENT: Yeah,it's lot five ('.to [201 THE COURT: So your tesUmony just now was
1211 looking (or. [211 that the lust value?
1221 BY MR. BRINSON: l<2l MR. BRINSON: According to the county records.
(23) Q: Let me show you this copy. Well, the address [231 THE COURT: Was what?
['24) is 1862. Let me show you this one hcrc:.This one may be [241 MR. BRINSON: For Ute propertY address at
1251 casier.This is 1742 wWch is just next door to the (25) 1742 Sharondalc Drive, the just value W:lS 71,7
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HElNIGE ET AI.
CURRY AND CI1Y OF CLnARWATER
DEFORE THE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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1'1 oath th:at these increases in V21ue hnve been purdy due to : HI.'.. 'k J.ha'VlI!l.done aU my QPpms~g'~i)t.!I.but F, ':::<';:>'::"::::::'.:'. .: .:.
121 market forces or due to improvements to Ulose structures (21 didn't do my pral"tic:tls, but I know. appt:d$lri~rts An ~' ,:':,: :':"';:. :'. .:
PI on the property? . . (3J notalldencc;':.< ....; : .:..' :'. '<<.'.,;'.>"...." :.::....::.'.::...,..
. t.q '. .:'A:J l~ye no ideil ,~n: the5e'parUcubr .ones. ': .: '. ", 14! Q: Thallscorrecl. 50 based upon the sCience" , .
(51 Q: Did you do an arudysls of properties that lire 151 part of - or the arl of appmsing, your values are
161 more UW\ 1,200. which would be the code requirement. from 161 determined byc~mparable sales,~) cC)~rect -:. .. ". . , .. ,.
(7J the group home lhat's there now to see in comparison to '(1).. ',A: Uh41uh..::;:" ,::'. :';'':;.'.' ~,;:i;,:::::;,~:;:;),J;:::,~?:',::::.:;:.:.i.:::>..;. '.:'.."':':'.
IBI how much those property values l12ve gone up in the s:une IB) Q: - and b:ased upon what the county records . . . . .. .. . ..
"'I Ume period that you tesUfied to as to the property in (9) reflect? Is that not wffiu you base your w..lues
lID) question? . . . . ..... ..... liD) upon?
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t12J Q: Could it be that those properlles then t1ut ll~r~d.'l;ij<s;t.~"lo 1o:ioW:w~t'mY,bol,lSe'"b'.tti1riJrt(.:li~lk:::-':.::;::~': .':'
/131 are more than 1,200 feet away increased in value at a 1i31:futn::wiU:pu'1:J.Jp:thclt,l'Iul?dMsJon.I:'wnt;g~~:/,.:'::/:< ..;....::' :\'..: '
(1<1] greater rate than the properties you've :m:a.Iyzed that were It.HOQk'lln.ti:d.t'~~k.and:wen 1.:WiUp:Wl'up.+:~~: ~'puU :':,'.':'''.:.::i':'' .
115] within the 1,200 feet, is lhat correct? ItsLup;ili~.plt.blb:ft~:UwtU:liS~~)miJtiP~~ttijg::::~:?;;:,::~.:.'-;'-),:: .:. ,
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(19] are more than 1,200 feet from the ACLF have increased in Ilil)'J~lJ=:Same~~:,9t~,sUbJec~:~et:as:tdth.e~iJ':lll(~~w")'~idJ~;Y')?'::::,:.:".':::,
(IU] value at :l. greater rate than the propcrlles that you have iiil)dt ~~tiiilly':,:WhWil adju$uJie 'ptk:CtM'Cci,~:.I~~::t;JQijc}>.dD.~;}i,:::. .
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(25] sales, You haven't analyzed them yet? !2S} '.Arid I ~me utfWUh;j .tangc::J\s .a'bt'okei';J1iri :td]oWcii.tO ':':;,:::;.,:;':', .: ~ :..:: ~.::
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H..rh2'p~ni,ng 'on.~ Diiv'e;'\y:e seeni to be:gettingi1n:~en;'':'::': : ~.:::.~:>:::'; 14] drive-by or basica1ly only iooking :It data, it is your
f-:p;f~w;~r:ffiCren$eand !h3twoiJld'bein,tlie.l;200.The:r'e's,:::,;': '''::'::.,:;~ 15] testimony and opinion tJut this subdivision, based upon
~:tllf:Pi1e;j1iUlet:coniri.iC:t1nlhere:~Ch:.\Vci)(jlow:has iUci:6lsed:: ':'.::'.,: 16] the fact that an existing ACLF Is in the subdivision,
!J7l':JI.ti.d:lkn~~'Ynat,my:offef,J$:.o'n~e:oriel tAke c:;lfe,oft.~o::.:: ':; :::", [7] vaiues have not been :d'fected?
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110] Q: Right now. But the property - your 110] further questions.
111] indication is the property on East Drive, the values are 111] THE COURT: An}' other evidence?
(12] going up at a greater rate th:u1 the values of properties 112] MR. HAGGlTT: No other evidence.
113] on Sh2ron - 113J THE COURT: Any evidence from the appellee,
V~'::'~~~W:tl~!f.~~~~:~~;~Z~~~~=~J.1~1~~~m~~~::~t;!.;~~~:;f:::;:h:'t~:;:~:::;:i:!t ::~ thM~XoUGALL.sIDES: Yes, the City docs have
(,.Ii( '...Q:..is.riitli'yo.uc.1iidiCitlon'lhii ihe.r.;:tes'::l'...'.."'No',~..y...". ,...',..,.... ,".""W 1161 evidence. First, your Honor, I have some items
117] thought you just testified that the rates of increase are (17] to offer as exhibits. Two items from the City
liB] smaller on Sharondale than they lU'e, in your opinion, on 1191 Clerk's fiJes,The first being tlieTax Asscssor's
P.,~U!~:~A?'.1li.....,.,',..,.,.,.,....,.. ,........", ,.......' ""..,..,.,.~y..""'..,..,.ta'.WM.....,.W.........,.."'.'^' ." lIS) printout, 7hiCh the clerk uscs to generate the 500
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122r..5;~;:'?:.bC~.go#lg..Onii1"the~~~tn:Uk.:t.~,.~aJ:.;?~.;I~use.~,::./;:;::=:/'::::" l22l Number 1 for iden~?ltion,Are you moving it
~ \~di~~:~~}:':~~~~:,~:~fi~~v:~:~,f.~.~r':'::::\:::;?:(:'."';; ::: int~~~~g~~:~~rD~~~es.
(2'&)' .. Q: 'Didn't you 'j'usi'say..thal'th'e increase's were ..'.. "....,.... ... h.. ..." (251 THE COURT: Any objection?
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111 greater on East, which is adjacent to SharondaJe, based on
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161 MR. HAGGITT: I don't have any other
[7] questions.
IBI TIiE COURT: Anything eise from the
(91 wi Uless? Any other wiUlesses?
1101 MR. HAGGITT: No other wiUlesses
IlII prescnted by the appellant.
112] MR. BRINSON: I'd just like to add one
113l point of clarification for me, your Honor, of
11<11 Ms, Galpin,
1151 MR. HAGGITT: ('m going to object Uhe's
('6l going to testify, unless he's going to ask her a
117] question,
1111) MR. BRINSON: Yes, I'm going to ask
I'll] her a question, just for clarifiCltion,
(20) RECROSS-EXAMINATION
(2'1 BY MR. BRINSON:
1221 Q: It is your tC!'itlmony, though, based upon your
(23] opinion of - is it not true that when you reflect values,
(24) since you are not an appralser,lU1l( correct - you're not
[251 an a p praiserl
II) MR. HAGGITT: No objection.
[2] THE COURT: It's received.
p) (At this time City's Exhibit I, theTax
14) Assessor's printout was m:uked for
IS] identification).
16) MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: We would also offer the
(7J City Clerk's :affidavit of malling notices with the
IB) aU~ched notice of the public hearing below :and
IllI attached list of addressces.
1'01 THE COURT: This is City's Exhibit 2 for
I'll identification, No objection?
1'21 MR. HAGGiTT: No objectlon.
1131 THE COURT: It's received.
1141 (At this time: City's Exhibit 2, the City
1151 Clerk's affidavit ofmaillng notice was marked
1'61 for identifictUon).
117] MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: A portion of the City's
I'BI comprehensive plan, that being a porUon of the
11111 hOUSing element of the plan.
12D1 THE COURT: That's City's Exhibit 3 for
(211 identification.
l22l MR, HAGG1TT: No objection.
f231 THE COURT: It's received.
(241 (At this time City's Exhibit 3, the City's
[251 comprehensive plan was marked for
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II] of those code sections? II] exhibit.
~ ~E ~~~r:r: :~d do so. (2) THE COURT: That would be Number 4.Any
(.] MS. DOUGAll-SIDES: We would also 13] obJecllon?
(S) submit for admlnistrative notice or offidal I.) MR. HAGGllT: No objection.
[6) recognition, I-lorida slatute section 419,001 IS] THE COURT: It's received.
[7) enlltled Site Selection of Community Residential 161 (At this tlme City's Exhibit 4,)ohn Richter's
[61 Homes. [7) resume was marked for identification).
[91 THE COURT: 1 don't usually find it 16) MS. DOUGAU-SIOES: And the City would offer
[101 necessary to do so of a statute that's been 19] Mr. Richter as an expert witness in the field of
[11) codified, but to the extent that it's appropriale, 110] municipal planning, specificilly variance review.
: [121 I would be _ I will do so. 111) THE COURT: Any objection to -
[131 MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: And the City would C21J (12) MR. HAGGITT: I don't have an
[l.J John lUehler as lis witness, 113) objection to him being received as an expert in
[15) nlE COURT: Would you raise: your right hand. II.] the first requested area. Dut 1 do object to him
[lB) JOHN RICHTER, lIS] being accepted as an expert in Ute area of
N FT EN U Y '6) variance review.
[17] WAS CALLED A DA ERB I GD L SWORNWASEXAMINE (17] MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Very well.
AND . 118] MR. HAGGIIT: Again, I know Mr. Richter and
(IB] TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS: [1;J I have no concern at all that he has an area of
(Ill) DIRECT EXAMINATION. [20] expertise in dty planning. I don't beUeve that
120). ~y MS. DOUGA.lL.SIDE~. [21] he h2s a specific expertise in the area of whether
[21J O. Mr. Richter, you re employed WIth the City of [22J 11 vari:l.nce should be granted or not I think the
[22J Clc::uwater? . .
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II] 0: How long have you been so employed, employed [I] request then to simply cover municipal pWtning.
i,.~3;~t'dfw~r;~y.~S:MRmnran:rww#::rm;:m:mw;:pnm~:n:Wt7W::;::?PM ~ THE COURT: All ri~~. ~~ ~~g~~~1Des:
.1.) .." '.... ~~.'J'Yl~tdq~'dyo~r~~~~~~~,b..~.:~~,~~t,"',v<.^.."...".....,,",' .,..w.., ':...',.". ((.S]) v:u~~_;::'pypouu ::"SU~iomn:t~p' ~:in~~yter~!~?::'gmanto ..~up homes
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16]'" .. c;' In your'years With the city what positions' . . dO . ,.. . ... IBJ or congregate care facilities you have reviewed for the
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{10] C: And what, if any, experience do you have in .. l'OJ C: Wren steps do you bke in reviewing these
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{l;J "d.lv"i&.o~::a$. an' ~pLOy'~,:~~ere,.for a'!>oUl ~ybc.~' year. y~~ '..~" :.. :,... IH} ,ratioiWdotiIDmilii8thi{Vinante,thllt's'ldendficil. . ::::: ;",: .;:,: ,::,'" :':~:::::::::
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HElNlGE ET AI.
CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
DEFORE TIlE HON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
II) ident1fiaUon).
12'1 MS. OOUGAU-SIDES: And then I h:lVe It
(3) number of code secUons which I wanted to - would
1.1 offer certified copies of several code se:ctJons
IS] which I'n list.l1lese are all5tapled togetllCf
(Ill in one batch.A.,d we request that the AlJ take
[7) admInlstr.l.tive notice or official recognition of
181 UI0SC.
[;} nle COURT: All right.
1101 MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: And those would be
['11 as (oUows: 35.11, definiUons; sccUon 36.035.
['21 Development Code Adjustment Baud; section 36.036,
1'3) hearing officer; section 36.065, IIppealS to
II.) hearing officer or City commission: section
(IS) 36.081, pubUation of noUce; section 36.082
(Ill) mailing of notice; secllon 40.003, purpose of
(17] ch2pter which is the zoning district regul2tion
118) chapter; secUons 40.121 through 40.128 which are
[Ill] the zoning district regulations for the RM 8
f20J zoning district in which tltis property Is located;
(21] section 41.201 which was referenced previously,
[22J family group and congregate care faclliUes; and
[23J cJupter 45, variances.
[2.) THE COURT: Any objection to me
(25] officially recognizing or taking judicial notlce
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[11 Board variance ;tpplicOlllons, an you esUm.:lle
,l21approximOltely how I1l2ny of ~o~ yo~, hav~ reviewed?
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~I C: Have you previously testified in .. ., . ..
[51 lIdminislr:ttive or court proceedings?
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1'3J Q: In any of those proceedings, were you accepted
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CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE lION. j. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pago 83 I
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:'(2J: "~o,~ Engi.neerinj Deptlf~ent; BuUding Department And. ...... .121 : located west, north and ti!l and .80uUteasl There atC .
(t3J .:'llJ~~~~~tal ~.t:tJ.on:~f;the:})ubUc Wor~ Dep:lr~L. '. :. . '{31 mulUple.fllmUy dweUlnI;$f IIp.1.l"tmenta and ,c;ondomiiilums : : .
141 Q: Do you recall any comments tlut were received '141. JGC;lted south and south\Yelit;'Ah~.II.Ppto~te1ta blQd( to.. .
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[9] Q: Do you recall any :adverse or negative (\11' .. Q: What'were'your obserViiuOM otlhe site' and" ..,.'. .. '..' .
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1141 THE COURT: I'm sorry. [ft} tlie Su.rr()'Wl~~'2pp=tf;:to;b~)diilhi:~W~~x?/g:::>'::::::..:..::.:.'..::
1151 THE DEPONENT: He indicated no comment. [tS} mt1ntalned,Pi'o1:JiililY:n,)Oder.ue..incotXU:ttunU1e~JeSld!Jtgit(:-::: ....: .:.:
1161 ~d then we h;ave a written statement here from I~ij those 1l0~i': ,:,),\:,':::,:::)),:~:,),:,):?::,:::::.t.::::::,':>:::/\::::;:~t:::.;,::;~:t: ::',.: :< .":' :.:..:
1171 Rick Albee, who's with Ute Public Works (In ':. :', The. neighborhood .Si;$.a.wtjnJe'W J:i1Odei'I1t:clY.b<:;:.:,.j:'.(':' ::.::::. ,:' : ". .
1181 Department. He's an environmental official with ho).attcir:tiVc';::,;":';'::"::\.;.::;:':::"i;)::,r .:,:. \:.:::':\;.:/::.:':=:'.:(~:.::~\:;:'\::':e':::.~:}"::::,.:.: :.: .:.':.'.
1191 the City. And he indicated no objections. But l,,,(,n Q: I t.hfnk'you' dici'ati"cnd'thcdi~:ii:ngl:i~iow'G:.'........<....:..:.n . .' .'
[2Ol however, with respect to the City maruager's vision (20) this c"se?
(211 of One City, One Future, he would like to request tilf ?:::.:;,A: '.Yes;.:ldldi'/:':..:.:{:.r;::~h::'t~':,::.:':~~~::n':'.<:"\:C::,:,::,?;:::::~;::~,:,:(.:::?~!::>,::.::.. .
(221 lhatlandscaping be installed at East Drive,llt (22)' ....:. Q:Dld'''o'u ..,;~~~tth~"slitire"':;;rf.to"tl1e"BOard(.:":""~':
l231 perimeter of landscape buffers adjacent to the t231' :::.':::A.f'YdJdilc:':::'::f.::}:)XF.::::::;)~:;/:::.::H~::}'::;'?;~~r:YYU.'!;:':::(::;\:C;:::::::'
~I existing parking 10L (24) "a:'^,i'd'wlliitre'c'ommendltioiis'\v~.vco~taiil.cd iii'the' .
l2SI BY MS. DOUGALL-SiDES: (251 staff report, if :my?
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[41 Q: Do you always - you said you make:a 14] non.sundard?
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[10) MR. HAGGITT: I object as to Ule 1101 described earlier, the: comment from :mother department?
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II:!) I think we're here on this particular case, and ['21 Q: D'O yoiduvc.anop.iiticl/l.iiii"io..Wliciiier.thc:"........... .
(13) what happens in typical cases, I rcally don't [13) subject :application meets the criteria for variance
(14) Utink it's of any help or assistance to Ute Judge. ['4) approval lhat is contained in section 45.241
"51 MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Well, J'U [15) MR. UAGGITT: I'm going to object to that
1'6) withdrolw that que:stion. [161 question. I think that's the: ultimat:c
1171 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: [171 dete:rmination th;at the judge: is going to have to
118) Q: Are you familiar wiUt the standards for [181 make. Mr.lUchter can testify as to f:acts but not
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{2'1 Q: And are these standards applied in the case of (2'1 that a w.riance: should be granted under 45.24.
(22) a separation vari2nce:? [22J Th:at's what we:'re: here for the Judge to determine.
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{24} Q: There's no different set of standards that {241 on whether the Board did the: right lhing.'fhat's
1251 applies to Utosc? (251 the ultimate we're here to discuss.
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121 Q: Looking oat the number of feet that arc: sought {2J simply his opInion.TIle Board heard other
[:II to be wried by lh1s applicant, do you consider Ute 131 evidence, and cerl:lin.ly the: appellant's opinions,
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l211 are 1Ocikd..i:"..:, bodt:sktes.of,l3a.6t-Ptivc.'fh1s PrQpetty;.It.:\;: :'}::~::::":".:..':' (211 attention to that section, 45.24, and specifically
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I-IElNIGE ET AL
CURRY AND cny OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIm I'ION. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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(11 topogtaphica1 condiUon~ to the bnd nnd lmUdlngs.And .' Pago 89'.1111 Identlf)' ;~n}' p-o:I~ons of the plan Ul.1l address _
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(3J c4~t.irices.And. thosc' ~pr::c:ial citcllnl~t:mcclI arc that fJJ Q: Well. speclfic:dl)' addressing your attention
'(011. thlS.part1culal'~..orE;\$t Ot~v~.~herc the:gf9Jjp home Js' 1.1 10 page 69. lowards the end of that exhibit, :iCcond page
; 151 piupo~.hl d<1.dop~d ~lth tdpf.c:XI:S, tfInt Ut~ triplex~. . 151 from Ute lasl and Ute objective 13.5.
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112i:.The;p'~se.:~o~'~';ic.?de is.~.s~tc.th~seJacWtj~. :,' ..:. . : ..., II~' :And there are five policies then li~t.ed uru.tet;-. :.: '. '. .": . : '., ....
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(~~ :.Rl;ls:tbAt.one. peigl\J;)6.t1io.od:b)J,ot.bw:~t:nt:d.:wj.t11ltaVlng: ::. 115) THE: COURT: It's already in evidence so
1161: to:p'oride.mot~~:th2n .its.:~hiite of. thcielitclIl.ues.. .::".:,.': :.:: .' .' :.., . 1.6/ therc's no need 10.
(171 ,::::,./l~t,s. ntYojlinioit'tl~qh!s':l.re:(ortiip~.s is:::'~>,:'.:',':::: '~.\:::. ..:;,.. '.' . . [171 BY MS. DOUGALL-SIDES:
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11~i ''.t'I.C::mmip.ctte:~i;illtYJoc:alC:d6ri Uufpropetty:wiJ1 not'. >. \:.' . : .....: [101 v:trjanc~ be in harmon)' wiUt Utose provisions or Ute
t'2Q.1,:",dv,~ely:af(~r~'$l.itroUlli1ing5ii\g1e-t1Uni1y.tl9nieoWJlet'$.:.' . 1201 comprehensive plan?
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l251 'devdotfid:With';j,'sl::doothiglfstoekade:wOOd fencemat<.,:,.::. :'. :..' " [25] 0: Are you familiar wiUt the provisions of the
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,.) h)' a family or tenants or a group of people not .in a group
151 home setting. do you know how many persons would be
lilJ .oppcisitiC!n''w.l~crl;::t.l~ese hOIlte;l:ate.or:jgiruilly'prop:05t:::fl~nd", . . [111 space.purposes wjthin 110 unJtt4attb~,be:l1t:lCast 1St)' . .:.'. :::. .:::;,
U2].tl1at,oncethey.~106te9..tlu1fwe.'recel.r~)~o.compWnts..:.., . . [12} square feet for. the firSt resldCntAA#:.l()(}.$q~~J~t:ro;" .:.: :: :..<i.:'>
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1151 your knowJcdge, what, if any, complaints from surrounding IUirfeJ:t~:^"d l'p;) b:i.sinjt.dlllton .~en~o!l$.:JhAA..~(':.:>.::.::::,:::..:;'~:.:=:.::.:::::::::::: :::>:\\
1161 pr~perty owners has Ule City received regarding existing [161':itll1icite4.on.tlie:~eytbat'~ceo.mPiri.U~$ th.e~~~ce'~".'::':;;',.),:)<i':'~;
1171 facilities? (11):'2pplicaU(,)n; With '1774' 5qUMC:tc(tUtidcr.th~"~o~~'c9<k : ,:.,:;;. :':':<,:;
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~):tI~iJ :~fCti~d)o)jdcl.ef.':!lllli1fjCr. ~ne tha( Uie..Sro1i,P::liome ':::,/.':. ....... [2~1 that's been discussed?
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Pago 91 PalJO 94
II) Q: In subparagraph threc, why do you feclllut is :ljn~*S)de'tt!J:.::~\:;~:::::.:-:.::::7\.;:;:(::;:~.:'<::WT:tl>XSt:::}'Ign:::tj;:::::::::\J}\,:{.r::k::::~;L:\::1
/21 noted? /2) Q: When w:asll.at?
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[Ill Q.:S~~ Ql1e.sUon. ~s to subparag~ph f~~.r:. ........ (9J slreet.^t.1ea~b)' it$Outwacd::UPP~CC$;itdJ.ctn't. :": .....:.,.;;
Ito') ':',:A~',PpurlSJ~t:t1!-C8rant,irig:ot..thevJltJillce.wU1:.:. . ".., . [IOJ give anylndicallontM.t.it,wa!l.Il:~Y..~.tal;iUw...'.. . .... .,..:..
1111bC.inb:trlDOtiY-:~Vitl~the'gCtleralpurpo3c'and.in~ent5 or Ute . [111 Q: You mentioned Utel:utdscaping condiUon
[ta.ri::ad~Tbeic'ho.mes,jm: needed to pravick (o,-the C!Jdcrly... .... . /l21 imposed by ll1e Board. What was that specifically. if you
1131 .1'hl:y::tl"QVide'a;~$Cmc:e'to U~ cci~un1,ty,~.to th:lt.:. .:'.':..' .'::-: !,31..~:l1t retcd~? . t.;." "th. ';"1":'.; .... ..t~~... ...... .l;....b" 1'" .....:......... ....... :....w
11"J . atent '1 feet tlilitthe location of.the horn!;: =would .serve....:.. .: .. :. .... U~I.' :::. '.At: on't ",,,ve. e Ull.lwtes 0 . 1.J1C mec...'fi. ut .."....".::'..: ':'.;:.,:.:,.:.,:.;" ,:.,
II'" thilt p' ~mo'se~:' ".:" ':':\ :.,,: . ...... "..".'. .:.:....:: .:.~.. ::.... ,.-:'.:::.... :.:.::.....:. ' lIS) think the ~rd ~do'pted the recommendatlon'ofstidf.And'::: ':::.:'(.:)
(,~i" a: or;c:s the' ~'does'parai:r.iph fo'u~'I:~icr"ii1so'to.'" ....... ., . (16)' We had recollimended that within 6O.d:\ysaftettJu::.' .:..,:.:.:..:.....:<i\
[17} th.c ~omprc~cn.s.!,,~p.I~? 1171. occupationaJ 1100'J5C, would.1nc1ucle.tbAt-1M~plogbe,.>:.::"~:, <:::'
1181 :':,'A::)'e5;'ltdoes~:,.::.. '.: . . ..... ... .: .... . .: :..:..:.... '::.'... . lllll' insb11ed upon Ens,t Drive' and on thepc:dtl1etc:~.or tlte.(::', .::.'0;,:.:, i
Illll Q: What,ifany,provisionsinUtl:comprehensive [191 pll1'ki.nglot.... '::,::',,"::':"" .....:.:."-.::..... :"":'::'" .'. . :",:;
1201 plan address U1esc facilities? . . ... .... 1201. . "-.we spediled lh:1t UtI: installation o! the;::: ~::: :..:'..:.:': o::'...:~
[2:IJ . .. :A: f don't have the comprehensive plan In frOnt. :.:" t21l Iand&t:ape plan: be submlttcd to .the. CitYs envlrOJ'11X1entll . ';":-
(2tJ. o(ti1e;. ~,. ..'..:....:':...:,;'.;:... ... '" '-:'" ":..':, ". ....: .:;......... .... ..... ',: /Z'l :officinJ and be :lUbjectlo appr9\'aJ b)':the orr1clal,nnd:,. . ,',.
1231 MS,'DOUGALL-5IDES: May I borrow thall (nl t.hci fallure to m:tint.1.ina 1:ln~~P':~ ~.~~~~~~dl~~:.. '. :.:...:,{.:
[2~1 BY MS, DOUGALL-SIDES: \24)' would void varl:utCC5.. " ::.... ".'.:.'.: :...:.:"':.".::'.:...,.~~:; :..,...':,:::...... ".. .. .'
gM Q: ('m showinc. you City's Exhibit 3. Can you [25) Q: I'm showinJt you pane 11 of tile minutes. Can
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CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATBlt
BllFORE TIlE nON.). LA\VRENCE)OIINSTON
June 10. 1998
Pago 95
Pago 90
It) you locale that condition llS being II part of UIC moUon [I) MR. BRINSON: Ir their objection as
.l'2] ~o.r.Jlllr'YiPr?~l /. .. . ~";':"tl.. ..: ....... .'.", ...' , .. .,.:" [2] the llppeUant here that it'll wiUdn SO many (ect,
'.f.ll ".".,..~:.: eJt .t.! nt.ttU~ trCC.:.:::-::..:.;": :'.1 .... ..... .. ~:':':: .... ......,. '. [3] granted we havc testimony in reg:ards to wh;allhc
I.] Q: Whcn it s;aYll on Ule perlmCler of thc parking [.) City vicws Ule footage is, but thc Appellant fccls
IS] lot, whcre would Ulat l:andscaping be lOCAted? :' : ~. , ..... [5] th:u it is subslJlntJaUy closer or her testimony
: ~ :,:~:~~~~,:TI!f.<~,~;~~\~::~~..th~ :r;,~~~~~f:~~'.f~,;.:::' ::.'. ,.,..;:'..:,:: : .:':::: ;"': ~ ~~~~~t ~~~~~;e ~~ei~: 200 feet bAsed upon
18J Q: Are you referring to the survey from the [6) MR. HAGGITT: What rclevance docslh:at
[QJ appUaatlon packct? [QJ have? 111C City has :llready measured where It Is.
n91:'~:~:~~~rNCJ~~[i~1~i~:~.1itI~::~;f.~f:~~~;';~}{S;;;!\~~LS~J~:}~:~~(f;~~::::::.{::?{.t::}r{.:.;>:~::~.~~~.:~:~::~~\~.;\.~:~::~ t1D] We have an exact dlst2ncc.Th:aI'S where she-
lit) Q: 15 there II parking Jot indiaated on thc It t} MR. BRINSON: WeU, it has a lot of
1'21 survey? It2) relevancct attorney Haggltt, buictUy thA.t-
t1:i.f;'::::$'jAI~Yeil:'tli=:'ii(W:;KH9':q;W';rX?'J~-\~.gWk1J.ttWSHU'7Y~t~:?~"::;:5:;};;\ 113] it's bcc:n Uleir argument tlut thclr valucs are
I''') .. 'oi' H'ow'nwi'Y';:'Cin' you teU'from the cOndillon' . ..... ... ... ... It.) :Ufected because: of this ACLEAnd the (act Ul:It
1'51 and ]ooking Ilt the survey, I guess, what percentagc of the It5] this ACLF,In her opinion, is even outside the
I'S) perImcter would be l:and.o;cape?WouJd it be the entire Ite} 1,200 (eet which was a variance that W2S aJready
117) perimcter or lcss than the entire? 1171 granted.
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(20) Q: And then is there additional l:andscaping along (20) . MR. HEINIGE: It's either the third or the
(21) East Drive and - [2t) fourth house.
~jl~lZWI[I~I~II;:fi~~~I~~}:~':tj,;0.r~]:~~~ij:;W~t~ : th;:tn~~RT: Wlut's your question of
[2.1 Q: What l:andscaping would typlctUy be approved 12") MR. BRINSON: I would like to use
(251 by the City's environmental offici.al in 11 case such ;as a.M!:. Richter to actually clarify to the Court
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111 this, if you know? 11) exacUy where this ACLF is. He's alre2dy stated
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14} Q: Do you know the types o( shrubs or trees that 141 THE COURT: WeU, who's testifying
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m Q: Okay. Do you know whether the f;acility m testified.
IB) located on Sharond:ale itself obtained any separation [8) BY MR. BRINSON:
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112} THE COURT: Is there any It2) Q: And Mrs. Hclnige actually stlted that in her
113) cross-examination first from the applicant. It3] opinion, the best of her recollection, it was lot 48 or
11.) MR. BRINSON: Yes, your Honor. It.) 49.llS shc's indlcated here on thc map.
115) CROSS-EXAMINATION It6) MR. BRINSON: No further questions,
116) BY MR. BRINSON: Its} your Honor.
117) Q: Mr. Richter, I draw your attention to this It7) THE COURT: Now,any cross from the appeUant.
I'B) pl:lt map wWch is here that shows the overall area.As I'B} MR. HAGGITT: Ycs, I have somc questions.
It II] the testimony - were you here before whcn - I'OJ CROSS-EXAMINATION
[20] Mrs. Hcinige? [201 BY MR. HAGGITT:
12'1 MR. HAGGI1T: Heinigc, correct? [211 Q: Mr. Richter, you slAted lh:at to your knowledge
1221 MRS. HEINIGE: Yes. 1221 the home on Sharondale did not need any variances to
1Zl1 BY MR. BRINSON: 1Zl1 eSl;lblish II group home thcre, is that correct, to your
(2.1 Q: Tcstified as to whcrc the existingACLF W2S [2.1 knowledge no variances are required?
\251 Jocated? i25!( :::,WAi';1'o:'U\v.';:kijO'Midgeni{.'lr:::i~<:,:,i, Y>~r.:: i)?):?:'iYr;.r::"":~mM::::<i~~.:.~'(:.::,,;:::.:~:
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"r21' Q: Is it your recoUection that she stated that [2) Why is thcre A distinction or difference bctwc:cn the (act
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116) inch equals 300 feet, okay. If we inte7;Olate in a crude [16) Q: So you're adding another provision, basically,
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(20) Q: How many feet do you say lhatls (rom the - (20) Q: 11l.:lt s not mUte codc now, though, 15 tt,
1211 MR. HAGGITT: I object as to the 12t) Ul.:lt II fence in any W2y :Ufects the separation
1221 relevance of Utis and using cards to measurc. [221 .r~9Ai~C:Ip'~~~.'"''''''''.':~tr''''''''''''''''''''''''''' .ean..'.'..'.......'.. . . ...~,......,..:.::::x., ". ;'.: . '.:.:".:.,
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HEINIGE ET AL
CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE THE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10.1998
Page 104
Pa\1O 101
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III requlrcd the fence to rem:ain in pl;tcc, did it, as part of III Q: Would It be: possible to pUl a wooden fence
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'.1 0: So based on the current circumstance U12t 141 up It fence, right?
'SI fencc could be removed 11.5 soon as the group homc was ; l5i :\::A:::nlllt \you~d be possible,. ":<'.',=:::.'.'::.:",::.:.:-.:':,:.:;:,-,'\':(.':.:'.:::: . . . '.
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181 0: One commcnt th2t you made: I think 15 llccurate, ; IS} .':th,e. s,n.wc-famUy homes llU! nol.lqci.~d :~dJ~(on~,e;.:t~}: ::" ../ ;: ". .
~ mdJ think the Judge wllJ see that from the: photognlphs, ;191:.sune'.block,rneY;~Adja<<nt,but:lhcy'~~~,.()ri..~;:;;::::.:::~:<.' .\
110J is th2t basicilly we Iulve cookie-cutter properties here. ll(ll'dlfferr:.ntslttet.ln otderw:~wtrOm~Wh~'U1egrol,!p"::<,,<:">',:",,' '.:',
1111 They basically look the s:ame, in thc 1WIIe: configuraUon, ltU bomc:Js proposed to the nelghborin.g:s1.nglc-!ainllyhQ.Di/::s ,'..
112J the s:ame type structure:, albeit a littlc bit diffc.rcnt 1121.that;lrelOClkd to the'c:a1ltone''l\fOuId nted.t~'lvul.k:bYlil :.:.: .
1131 estheUcaUy. 113J ..minimumoC9or 10 othcrholnes>'.:":' ',':.: .::: .:.::.:' ;':.:::.~:::' . .
11.1 Could you Ie:U me wh;at would be: different from ['4] ,.It's ~}' testimony that. the single{wybonu:: :.'.: ,';. . .: ...... . . . . . :
[lSJ this p;artkular lot in th2t the: V;l.J'lance Is requesting and 115l..ownettbat's lodtc:d lldj::lCCIlt to:lhc:t#sl,::I bC;:lie~,"wilJ'::'.,::>::-: .... '.:.
11lS1 the lot ncxt door or my other lot on the east side of JI6I : nol:lmow or wc:luldnot lato'\': th.1nl 8f9HP;h1JU,J<: .~uId ~.:=-:,.:-: '~'. .:-.:.:
(In East Drive that has a triplex on il?That would be those 117l:~ICf.l on ~~.~bjcct.p~p.t::r~..u.;.q~.bf~Pl:~et.Cj~.,,~?;:~,:<:~,.::;.::,/
1111) seven lots. Is there anything different as to this one 118j'Ioryariances,.".':...:.. ::'.=.:. : ..:,.: .>.:. :",:',~:y~n~,,::,'::::"\l\;'):::.~.: /;,::/:,.:.::;~::.~:.:::;..,.:..::.:..:
11;j particular lot dut m:akes it unlque from thc other six ligl'" "'Q:"BUl ttiiii's not onc' o(thc.rcqiiiicmeil'iS'or.onc......'...........,..,.. . .....
!2OJ properUes? (2Ol of the conditions for approval, is it, that the conditions
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1231 Q: So it's gowg to imp;act people: llS much on both (231 propert)'? My problem is - and I think the problcms of
12.) sides, is thai correct? (2.1 the appellants are that there seems to bc exacUy the: samc
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WJ; ~ Jlt:ffl.as..~Ig.' \Ue:Ull~J..t:WQj.UU; ~::ule.,:N-\",::::<,::;;,;,::,,:.::':,:,:...: [1) mlght h:lve to walk by one more home or one: less home to
l'm/~~mm::~::Wi)m~}i)Ui:~t~~;~;,HiHmJ;fMdi:t(;::))E<';::\~>;;:1 [21 gct to the residential district.
(3) 0: Let's look at the provisions of the section. 131 MS. DOUGAll-SIDES: Is there a question thcre?
(4) I think we need to start with the presumption, first of [.} THE DEPONENT: Yeah. Le[ me address
IS} all, that if CHy staff doesn't have my objection and [5) thls.The code sets forth the four standards by
161 recommends approval, that docs not mean that the Rpplicant [61 which we govern variances but there's a -let us
(7l docs not hllve to still meet the standards of 45,24, is (7l look back at the purpose for variances and what
[Ill that correct? [II) Ulese (our standards are intcnded to do.
:.t9),:Jy::.Ai.:mtaf~.~~r~:~:iL::::>.:;;~!:;:~.;:'.?:/FLV\:'i.=/{X\:t/rt(;. ',::'.: ... .. . [91 Under section 45,01 of the code, it sets
{IOI Q: Section one says there are speci~ 1101 forth the purpose of the variance. And it states
[1 II circumstances relating to a particular physical 111J that the purpose for the variance is to provide II
{12} surrounding shape or topographical conditions applicable [12J process (or aUeviating hardships and carrying out
{13} to the land or building that would be on thc lot in , 113J the striclletter of the development code so that
1141 question,1ll1d such circumstances are peculiar to such land 11.] the spirit of the devc:lopment shllll be: observcd,
lIS] or buildings and do not apply generaUy to the land or 115] public s:afety and welfare secured llnd substantial
116J buildings in the appliCllble building zone district. 116] justice done:.
117] You toJd me: this one is in thc middle. So 117] in order for there to be substanUal
I1S) that makes it different. The house across the slrCet [Ill] justice: done, I would opine that we need to look
119) would be in the middle ~so, and would not have a !lgJ again at the purposc of these separation
(20) single-family direcUy beh1nd it, So I assume that that (2OJ requirements. And thc purpose for the separation
(21) would be a furthcr separation from singlc-f:amJJy (21) requirements are to avoid an undue concentration
I22l residentiaJ zonc, is that correct? [22J of homes within an individual neighborhood. It's
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(25) 0: So it would be in the same posture or (251 there are numerous neighborhoods.
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~~:;~:j~~y~~ml:mil'grMHEn1:MftWfqWSf0~8.Etmdkt1.')i.dgXn?G::;ytr;; ~ Q: The provision you j~~ ~~~r~~~~~
131 0: So if the application was for the property (3) basicall)' Uut the appliCllJlt has [0 come in and prove a
1.1 across the street,l assume thc argument would be: the ,.) hardship, correct? Isn't that the purposc? lfyou can
ISI same, that the someUt.lng dut makes Uut one unique is 15) prove a hardshlp based on Ule stand:ards that we give you
161 Uut it's in the middle, would th2.t be correct? 16] in 55.24, then we'U grant you rclief,lllD ] correct? Jt's
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[Ill 0: You have at least then two buildings right Ill] the code, if the property owner has a hardship with
[Ill :across the street from each other that arc CX2CUy the 19] complying with the code provisions, th21 this is a vehicle
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[I.) this profeerty is in the middle: that would m:tke it in any [1.1 Q: The applicant here today is Marill Curry, is
:::: ~:Jn~ e:renl, either - let's go Uuough the provisions :~: .:~\A:~.)fd;~.~; T:~:t~~'~:2~:J\:f:n~:!~:r~Sf~~:iU::L;:~:';':;:::':~:~::~:}'::-::',;.::.:'.' :':::::..:'
[171 The physical surroundings would be: different, [17] Q; Mrs. Curry Ius operated the property as II
.[1111 the shape or topographicllJ conditions :lpplicable to land [1111 business omd she's operated it, based on her testimony,lls
JIIgl or buildings would be peculiar to Uuuland or building [IiI a rcntal facility. She's rented lll1 three of those:
(2Ol but do not :lpply generaUy to the other triplex lo[s in [20] properties. So if we apply thc code provision, both code
(211 Otis yea,.llgain, thc 14..1()lS, .. . ...... .........."........ ..... .,......,..... ........ ......... (211 provisions of Ule 500 fOOl separation for residentW and
122\ :,::,~'A:';9Ialy;WeU,'tb.i$.p.:l.fdcul.;l.t:'pt9Pi:tti.~:;:...:::<...::::....,:.. :"::..,:'., >.. .:::' 122] 1,200 foot. from my ?~er group home, if wc strictly apply
lZlJ . ng*i'a:~ ~l()tkade fetle~':1Jl,:ttrs ~ !~y',g~ .:.:. '.::';:::::i\.::.:::: ,'::: l231 Ul;at then, m your opuuon, ~ased on hcr use: of .the
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III purpose, her purchaser is, how is the applicant deprived [1!FT';::~";N.~'p~~UY::I:@ri..k.~:!WllP':~li1'~ytMWi:@YR~{Y:~\:fi
[<J o(rc:lsonable use o(their t;md or building? ;,:t2:I;,tllctUiiC$:thlH)vjjilld:n:ayc;.thc.::wclt4t':l:oucetwi:AhQUt;:t.At~'<;{"({:~
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{IOI Q: The code requires a separation, and I know you ('OJ the fact that two of these Jots are in the middle, you
[111 interpret it to mean that this is for this reason. BUt we I'll cannot testify as to any uniqueness or any special
[12l still arc. faced with a code Provdisfrion thatht requires the 1.~,n.'p!.oA'?!~~,~,~elt:~f. tl()dtdth:l~~?.. ..... .'~;;"''t'dld .".,,"....."'....... "~'FF ......,... ,........
[13) Scpar:ltion from residences an om 0 er group homes, is Im'j.:~.:.,; . ; \r!.e~. .:-u.w~' : ~~; Of,at:~t:."". .to.:::'{,:::'.,:.:;:::;.{;;,;,::::".::,:?:.:: :'::':' ';:",.::'.::?:
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[16) Q: The City from your own testimony seem to 116) BY MR. HAGGITI:
[17j indicate that we want to promoteACLFs and that it's a 117j Q: On the issue o( desire for economic or
[Iel good use and it should be put in neighborhoods. I think 118] material gain by the applicmt or the owner, although it
[19] that's - again, if I'm misinlcrpreting what you're saying IlflI wouldn't apply here because the applicant doesn't intend
(201 or what you contend, please teU me. r think that's the l'2Ol to do anything other than sell the property, so I assume'
l211 g::neral overall contend. f211 that - let's look at it - the applicant has a contract,
[22J Don't you think that the property owner that [22] the contract is contingent upon the City granting the
1231 purchases a triplex on East Drive or purchases a home on (23] vari:ances. So again, if we ieave the purchaser out of the
f241 Sh:1rondale should be given the protection o( looking at a f2.] loop here, whIch I think we have to do based on the code
f251 code and saying there can't be a group home within 500 of f251 provision bec:ause it taJlcs about the applicant or owner.
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III me, tine, I'm going to go ahead and buy lhJs property? 111 So We have to talk about Mrs. Curry.
{2J Don't you think that's reasonable reliance from a code [21 Don't you think that her only desire is
/31 rJuU we have: in existence now? PI economic or material gain? How could it be anything else?
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l7J' Q: Then if we t:ake that one step furrJler. In ~ [71" l'l;;,I,Uy'neCd;SiWe1' o~:me:: ~:a.i~::!"'. u:;Ulc:t:l~':~~'.!~.::',':,.\:<.::r:::::: ;:,:
(6/ order to prove a varwu:e the person has to come in and ;fBi::moJi~tio!ij$'.fuUu\c.w..8ain'Jor.~'t~J>ciIl1>J~~O::8~:X?r::::::-<-:r;>/,:'.~:i:'
(9) strictly comply and follow the provisions of 45.24, so :'(11) ,:Jnilide'her:,head, It ;tPPcar$ tAAt::~ IStand;frd.:sp~k$.?:/<:>{:>:,:.:., :::, ..
110) Uley've got that reliance. These people have to come in 11~;Or::,:tJ~t,~t~& ~~.:ulC:',applicant~s ~clu~l~~~~~~:,:::>:,=:::<:::.,>:.:
I'll and show there's something unique, show that they don't Illr:CQr:.,thc:..~.dMce..:Ari4~q:1,1siv~:upl.y~rY'''t:ong:WQr4i:'=::';;'.'::' :..: '::'.
112) have a rC2Sonable use of the propcrty. So thcy can rc:ly 1~,~:~"JI'~Y.t:XpC;:ctittI.on i':~t':me:~y~sJt~ ~~w.Y:.'::'::\,,':::y).:<. :=:;
(f31 on th2t. l~:.h.ll$ .~m..lf.!.o.~.tJri:Pr.9yJ~&'.~~J9..~~b~;,p.~p.l~.;:~::J':,::.;;,;:: ~':::"...'.
II.) Isn't it rC21ly the City's attempt to just 11.1 Q: Shc's not going to be providing that care, is
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(f61 lhJs 'Nay. I think I've asked it to you before, but Jet's 1I11/ questions of Mr.lUchter.
tIll] clarify. [llll THE COURT: An)' cross? I'm ~rry, any
/20] If any of the oUler 14 tripJexes In tlus area !?O] redirect? ..
(211 had come ill with this application all being within the 1211 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Yes, lust btleny.
1221 500 foot separation - I believe all being wiUtin the 1221
(23/ 1,200 foot scp.uoU.lon area required from the other group 123) REDIRECT EXAMINATION
",.] home, wouldn't the City's position, assuming th;at these [2.1 BY MS, DOUGALL-SIDES:
tm...P.eople put UP a fcnce or had a fence up, wouldn't the ["251 Q: Mr. Richler, you discussed the six foot
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111 of the l:and or building if the code is uphcld as required?
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13] Q: And how so?
lotl ., "1\.: ..The romp'rCheitslvti plAn for the qt)' 1$ to': '. .: ::',":
I$} provide kx:atlorisJ~ it.$.Cln: fIlCillUes>:<, :..." . .:<: . ::..:'
151 Q: I underSbnd that. And I don't mc:an to
f7J interrupt, but I think we're begging a question here.
Ill) What I want to ask you is - tell me how she would be
[QJ deprived, as required by section two, of a reasonable use
(10) o( the Jand or building, seeing that she's used it as a
III} rent:al (or 14 ycars?
1121 MS. DOUGALl-SJDES: Objection. I'm
113] not sure lhat was -that we have that testimony
II.) in thc record.
liS] MR. HAGGITT: I believe we do.My time
I HI] period may be incorrect, but she's operated it for
1m quite a few year" based on the ;IppliC2l1t's -the
118) representative's tcst.lmony.
1111] THE COURT: I don't rcCl.J1 the number
/201 o( years, but it's been a number of years.
f21] MRS. HEINIGE: Twenty-two, twenty.five.
l22I BV MR. HAGGITT:
[2:1] Q: It doesn't tmUer.Again. Mr. Richter. based
f241 on that factor, the fact th:at she's used it for lhJs
[?S] purpose and she docs not intend to use it for any other
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BEllORE TI.IE liON.]. LAWRENCEjOHNSTON
June lOt 1998
Pago 107
Pago 110
II] City's position have been U,e same on any of lJlose
121 particular picces of property?
. [31'. MTh..tt's possible. However,U'a group home; ','::;, "".: '
14)' [or exnmph::, ~ proposed on eitlter-lots 9 ono you would..
. [Sl hAve a different,] think, a different set ot... ""'. : .'
: (6] ctlrtunsunces. J'm not oJlOgetJu:r w"viJ1Ccd tl:tat the ":". .'.':: .
; Pl:teCO~da40n''%tild be, idcl1~eat>)y:/ ;;'.: i2})),.\'::;.:/::':.: : :.,.....::.~?
IBI Q: So exclUding those two Jots, we'd still have .....".., .. ...', .'.
M 12 left where the recommend:atlon would be the samc so
[10] tIlere's no uniqueness hcre th;atl can sec. Wouldn't the
[III better approach be to change the code f2Uler UWl to treat
112] each one of these: c:ases separately and allow variances
1131 even UlOUgh thc situation and circumstances are not
{1.1 unique?
[151 MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Objection. I
[161 don't tltink the witness testified lhat on the
117) other hand or however many th:at the rc:commendation
(Ie) would be the same,
(Ill) MR. HAGGITT: I think that's wh:at his
!?OJ testimony was,
[21] BY MR. HAGGITT:
[22J Q: 'Was I 'WI'ong,}ohn? WouJd the recommendation
[2:1] probably be the same on 12 o( the lots, but possibly or
f2.] probably not on the other two because they are, I think,
f25] are the extremes o( the area?
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CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pogo 113
Page 116
III stockadc fence on thc property tod:ay.lf lh:It fencc were II] weSl, is a factor in value or a factor in the
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(41 Q: Do you realhny arr:mgements made at the ':,14I.:' . :' A; 'I'm :tio~ .$\lee r u~er8p1nd Y()UT qU;~tioAA; '~:':'.. :....,:.. . .
)5]..,~~~a^!;~~<~~.,~?..,~2~~.>~,~;~~5;:?:!'~,~:[~~;,~,t,,,..:,.:"" ..,.... IS] Q: The existing commercialr-:un I correct th:.1t' .
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18] the variance cluapter,lIpedficilly sc:c:tion 45.01 which [Ill southern boundary of the subdivision, correct, of this
I9l uses the word h:ardshlp. Is tlut term carried over into 1'9] street?
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1'2] Q: Do you recaU whether it WllS at one time {121 is [here wWch includes K2sh n' Karry or Winn Dixie and
1131. inc1':1.~~? .. ,..... .... .. .... . ",.. ,.. ..' .. . ,... ..,. ........... .. .. . . 113] other conunercW entities there?
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1161 0: Was it omitted from tlte section? 116} greater impact th:an this ACLF?
(2Cl1 Q: And regarding tile appllCltion procedures, does [201 iUllI correct?
: ~~~i =~ :t:;: :!~~~tive of the owner to ~.~;[~:;;:i:g;;~~~flM~1r1:~,:'~;~':Jdt:~'jd~!~~r~k::*J:~~~.il~M::'iL,:.:::)Yr;:-5:(::\'::
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1241'" '0: Anddoeiithe:appUation form reflect'ifu.i the' ....... .... ...... (24) years?
l'2SJ owner would have a rep resentation? ~X~:";':A:':'I ;dori't' MOW. ,").:::.;:::;.". .:::: :".': 'Y '::.:'::::":::,';;'::'::;:'::/:::;:-: ':=:'??t.'.:., '/.':.: :::.", ::. "":.~'.' ':":... .
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rt!r~~ltrA;:;1~~~~9\!~/~~~;lrpM~ij~?r#Ir~1~~rlttn1itti~f;;t02~~~~&;;~~}~~iH;~~:: (1) Q: But based upon the: concentration of
12I Q: Was th2t the ase here? !21 individuals there's more of a greater impact there that's
1~pt::X;~(r~;tY~~~~!:tT~~~+::t~Jl;~\~?::rrt[1~.pl~W/}t~~~rl{t~~~?~~~Etrf~;;tlttJi?n.~:~tXl:~;~ ~:.::} :.;:;-~ (3) present in the neighborhood than what this ACLP would ever
[4} MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Nothing further. [41 come close to, correct?
151 MR. HAGGITT: just one, if I may. Uij:~:':f,4f)Vd1jj1ieMw' .. 'iii8~ta:~':m'lli:i&ise)jse,'or:;:::;::::?":.::': ':"i :::::'.: :...
161 RECROSS-EXAMINATION ;\6) :.Jiind ':irid'1fwouid P!escnt':cCihilli Wi' . ;'ci$',i' 'cin'ti' ., ,:.<.:'. .' " ,.' . .:. :'. '
(7] BY MR. HAGGITT: ':'::SUtf:iccS;:n:didCm~ntridcoDimetdiiJ~r~.'f": i ty ':",:'::',::. :...:....
,l7l. .. .. .. .. . .... . . ,.. , ....... ,... .' . ,...yP. cally,
(O] Q: Mr. Richter, 1 believe your testimony previous ,.t8fwitsidci' tti:be.di!feient kiods'iif1.ttV'3,ds;.::t":':i!::,:::,:,::":<; ::. . ....:. . :':'
191 was that you have to red section 45.24 in conjuncrjon "'{ili .... '0:" Riglii: sa 'With lJi'e'3'tliidiviCiliis'thans""""'w, '.d' .... .. ......
1101 with the other code provisions that talk about h2rdsltip. [10] allowable in lhere.the 14 individuals is a substantially
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(161 RECROSS.EXAMINATION i~m;:~N?An'Wli2~~:tAAt;W9~14 :~';WW~ihU:~:Y.~~r;c;u:::/.r::U/C:::::~:>;:Xl::':r;
(17J BY MR. BRINSON: {17J MR. BRINSON: Thank you.
{IOI 0: Mr. Richter, was your testimony that based [101 THE COURT: I need some clarification
l'IIJ upon the City's code, now we're rderring to the code: of [111] about where the landscaping is supposed to be,
[201 variance hcre and we're also referring [0 the code of (201 :according lo the motion and the order that was -
1211 actual use of tile property. It was your testimony that 1'211 the variance that was granted by the: Board. It
{221 actually 34 individuals could occupy that present property l2Zl says on the perimeter of the parking lot. And if
123] right now withOUt any V21'iance? (23) I'm understanding your testimony correctly that
~f9M;~:i~~~Af.l.~~Mwf~d: a-~~}~*~'~d;w,ijiW:r]M~),k{():~:;'i.::;j:.:::1 [24] rdTHersEtoDEthrpOeeNEsiNdres y;of lh.e dParking lot?
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p] a: Up to 37, olaly. Did suIf, based upon their PI c:iUler side - in ;addition, on either side of the
14] reconunendation, take that into consideration as part of 14] parking lot?
(5) the decision process? ISI THE DEPONENT: It would be in thc area
,:'J:rY~UTAAhon:c.S.r~\Vi::t.1s.('iti.;~,F'n:?i?F?:g!n;:~b{::;",:-r';':{:':/'::::=:.:".: .: 161 lh:It would be between tlte parking lot and the
(71 0: So that w;asn't a f:actor really involved in (7] street right-of.way. So this wouldn't be
1111 there. But it is a consider;alion lhat when reviewed, {S) adjacent, in front of the building.
..191 ~~~~y, tJ:1e. ~p~ct on.tJ:1e neigh.borhO?d,~. I .corr.<<;~l?.......:. .. 191 THE ~OURT: The peri~eter of tile: - .
[10]::.':::::-A:rltJ~6t.$hows.wh;lt. other:.pos~1:IllitlCs'~YJ>.ej';:,:.:: ::';('::::::'::::.:'':: , , {IOI not peruneter of the puking 'ot.The peruneter
mr~p~~t~~~~~~ ~~J%:~:~:~i;,i:;,,\::,Jt:::::::,P::.' ':':.~,: ~:~: ~~~~~ ~~~r~ ~:? islh:lt what you're - what
(131 out there for rental purposes which has already been well (13/ THE OEPON~Nr: No, it's tJu~ perimeler
1141 established, th:at for 20 or 25 years, whatcver length or {141 of the puking IOl.
liS] period of timc this propcrty 11;15 been uscd for [15] THE COURT: Isn't the parking lot in
116] residential, upwards to 37 people could occupy it, but at (16] front of the building?
1171 tile same tlmc;an average family in a two bedroom property 117J THE DEPONENT: Ycs,
[llll~ll~l~ bc:.~y\!l)elbre ~~~eQ..f,<?~~'ia,p.:g~~.r.t~;eg!~,'5~H~~~~.,:: ..' .' {III/ THE C,OURT: W!~~kin~Jreebo5Jdes of Ute ._I1.I_
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[241 0: Do you feel 01;lt heavy commercial, which is \241 THE DEPONENT: Yeah, to tile left. Yes.
~immediatcl\l to tlte west of thcse two streets. cast and [2GI THE COURT: So norlh, west and south?
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HEINIGE ET AL
CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE nm nON.}. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pogo 119
Pllgo 122
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1111 Q; Wh2t is your l'Clson for picking thisl0C2tion? ..., .. . ...
(241 Q: Right now?
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III THE DEPONENT: Yes.
(2) THE COURT: So obviously It doesn't
PI come a11the way across U1C front if there is lln
I~l entr.u1cew:ay to the parking. But oUter Utan
[5] Uut- olcly.
(6] THE DEPONENT: Correct.
17I THE COURT: Did you say Ulat you were
[8] not aW':ll'e of whether there was bndsc:lping
19I rcqulrrd (or the ACLF on Slwond:ale? Was that
(10] your testimony?
1111 THE DEPONENT: There would not - I
112] don't think I g:ave testimony on thal.There would
113] not be I2ndSC2ping required on SharondaIe because
1141 that's II. different kind orrad1ity.The
(16] Slw'ondale fllcility is a family Clll'e facility, not
(1111 .. group are faellity.
117) A famlly care facility would have up
[Ia] to, I think it's six residents. Group care would
(1;j luve 7 to 14 residents.The familya\J'C facility
(20] would be regarded to be the funcUocu1 equivalent
[21/ o(:z singJe-f:willy home, and slngle.flUJlily homes
[22] don't have II. parking lot and accordingly don't
[2"J] have landscaping around the parking lot.
(24] THE COURT: Okay.And 1 just have one
(25] other question. Is it your re2ding of thc
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(I] varl:u1ce requirements to provide that the owner is
/21 the appliCUlt? Can anyone other th2n thc owner be
13] the appllcantl
(.) THE DEPONENT: Do you h:ave any easier
[5) question? .
[6l THE COURT: 1bat's my only other
m question. J don't .h2ve any more.
(81 THE DEPONENT: To tell you the truth,
(9) I'd probably leave the attorneys to argue that
[ID] one.
(III THE COURT: In any ,vcnt in this casc,the
112] applicant is die oWner, is that correct? Who's
{13] thc :lppllcant in this case? '
114] MR. HAGGITT: The applicant Is Curry.
1151 WE COURT: Ol<:ly.1 have no .other questions,
{16I Any other questions of the witness?
117] MS. DOUGAlL-S(DES: No, sic,
lIB] THE COURT: Any oUler evidence from thc City?
119] MS. DOUGAU-5JDES; No, sir.
(20) THE COURT: Any evidence from the
{21] applicant?
(22] MR. BRINSON: I would just like to
{231 call one witness, I think, your Honor.
12.4] THE COURT: AU right.
125] MR. BRINSON: That would be Mrs. Gill Vasile.
III Q: I think it w:as the testimony earlier
l'2I that dlere was only one properly on the street that
13] Mrs. Heinige refused to 12ke :I picture of because it WllS
I~l in such a mess or something. Do you concur with that?
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l7J Q: So it is your intention to not onfy maintain
18] your property in its prC5Cnt condition, but the one across
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111] Q: Is it my underslanding lh:tt b:ased upon -
112] weU, you have seen the City recommendation of approV:ll
113] for it, am I correct?
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It5] Q: Based upon their recommendation they've
[16] outlined some things that you must comply with. 15 it
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[22] Q: And your profession i!i in thc hC4lith care
1231 business, am I correct?
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III 1liE COURT: Mrs.Vasile, would you raise Pago l24
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AND 1-41 Ms. Galpin Ut:lt it 'Was your testimony or your tc:stimony;at
151 TESI1FJED AS FOLLOWS: (51 the time of c.he originaJ hearing that concetl15 or the
161 DIRECT EXAMINATION [61 neighbors rcgarding the mentally ill or handicapped or
111 BY MR. BRINSON: m others. You would not- it's a separate type of pcrmit,
IBI '. Q.~... M~~'''t:ls'~l'' d~. you 3va inlhp~c::iS.~~~~~.~!..: . .. :.. .,... ::~ . ~~. Thci-~ti a separate mentii.1 hCaltb liCerise'that ". .. .. ,....',
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[16l THE DEPONENT: 1818. lIS] Q: (s it your testimony thllt you agree with
(In BY MR. BRINSON: It7] Mrs. Hein1ge's statement tlu.t the neighborhood is mixed,
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r,!51 properlY for? [~ Q: So b.u/callv littlnlt rJdlt in with the
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HEINIGB BT AL
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE RON.]. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pago 125
II) consistency of the 50 percent which is there right now? ,{II :A: ..UsuAIlY they don't.ICth!=y're lIble l()drlve'
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131' , MR: BRiNSON: I'have no further ' . . '. . . , 131 Q: What :a.rrangements would you m:J.kc regarding
'''I questions right now. ["I deUvery trUcks or deliveries of food and that sort of
{51 ntE COURT: Any crosSoCxamlruttion (rom [51 lh1ng?
lei the City? :.~ .'.A:;W~,U;aJo((j~:the Uitle':\Vhat seems to'workQu(: "
f1I MS, DOUGALl..sIDES: jusl one onwo questions. ; l1l'bestb nQll(fh~:de~ivctjcttit~.but~ .hlI.V~':~:Y<l""\rc ~:.' .'
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[101 Q: Did you-you stated th2tyou wouJd be ll{l] CV(rytfWi8+If'~"'ca&e~o::"'okaYt'WhofiCOm.lng.to:.. '::'. ,.... .....:
[III aV2llilble for emergencies and so forth? . . II1fPubliX'Witli' mcl ~.Couple '9f fl~':WiU head Q!Uo'PubUx, . . .' .'
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[1"] Q: what'will be'yourstaffmg Icvd?^Hov{'iIWiy.........n .. . 6"1' "Q:' Wo'ult'fthi:'staffdrtvc iliciIi''lo'pUbl1X? ' .. J~.,..". ..
[15] employees will you lulve? its,)"'::.I\i".lt would ljc!flicitraOiriS.'~ie.diivllig.and doing .: ':': . :' .
f161 :,:: ..A:'?Wrn:n:.we:mtt Off,' ~ .,tate"ri:qiilies.:a ;:::\ ;r,',:: ,::::/:.:',~:. ' ",:: .' 1161 ,the supervW.c:l3.and taklri8 a .t~kknt Out; I <won~t be .
(1:1},mlri.lrihim'.Qt foUt; dtpeiidtng CII\' liOW many.we\Vc' gOt tnthere... . : .:; ': lm haviW.. ~e dc~tit,trUtlcs Qfanyth1ilg.,.. : ;.,'. '.:.:: '. .' . .
~~li(:nn~:;~~~':fott.Dr~:g~.1W:~co~~~Q,'~~~is.y?u ,<i':}::':;;::'::.::':; 1181 '. . a: You tes'tlled at the DCAB tic::i.ririg;bid'yo~'
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(II have to lulve (our persons? (II CROSS-EXAMINATION
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:'Ie] Jor.'.;mothcr:daynntl a.fuU(.:ntatpCl'lion.~:~t.e.livhtg,:., :.:'/:." :: ::.: [8] were in thc area?
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t22J And then yours is? @:the.ptoVisiQM';WC~ in'pJa~cfMd~eapplli:d rob~ ". .:"::"::, .': :::.:,::.'.~i::-.:~
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[2.} Q: So are you limited to a maximum of 14 [2.1 Q: So;at Uu: time you placed the contract on the
[251 residents in any circumstance? [25] property you knew that the perspective or intended use was
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[2J Q: Now, as your number of residcnts went up [2] correct?
131 towards 14, would the staff increase? :;l~l /:':!Aflkri(!~\(t1ijilivitLiili~'V?9\$h1.~:~<).pe;.:.:.:..:-'.::.. / ': , ' '...:; ,,:,,:'<)N
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::f6J' riuriIDet:bC6\li~J(~ds:ari:.theditfete;it.;~::w.c:U$UaUy::, . .:. ::.: 15J Q: Is your contract to purchase the property
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, (81 a.'i em YOll tell me, if you had the full 14 \8\ Q; If they're not, if they're denied then you
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r~ll' teqtiifefout but.it'~Ou~'piob~bly,b,e tlem:t' lilX;y'~i;:<':.. '. '.. . ','. 1111 ...'. Q:"':;'is uiiii'cor'r~'d7tJieri:'wai'soml:' testimonY" . P" .
ll;>,Jor lfJhcy'w~~ pa~t~(!:iJ)rCOUr:~l:i.~et:c::..w.o.~1d ~e,@.or:c:~.:: " '.':'. (12] as to the range of charges for ALPs. Could you leU us
{1:11 ' .. Q; 'How many'visitors to the residents do you {\:ll wh.at you expect your monthly clurgcs will be for each
::~ ~~~~.f:~ie~rGrCtldy.l mean; a Jofof.thC<. ~.....::,. . ': ....'::,::::';:.,: .' ..': 1:~.:.~~~~eiftkmebOdY'ls # State ~lf somebOdy is OSS' .. ,.,':,..
1161'peoplc'lhat I go~at'tius momenc.l;WOik lri Jwme health:..:.. :..., . [\Ell 'It t.endstlthlnkttl> lx:)n the reglon'oCS80 R month. . , ' :.
(17] When 1 go Imo ALFs,' roll\(' of.th~'dQ".tt.haye ai\Ybody In : '.' II1l And that is uliUll11y: $.harUi8 luoom;And if you've got '<.... .
).161' lite': :wodd $0". U\ey dOn't tend to'gt.t.1ll\Y visltor&','I'hey,;::' ,:' ,: :: '.: l\8) somebody. in :;\.6tngle room iltends to be in the region ar..
',,,.. [11l] , mAY have :q:;uardlW\' viSit. once ~ :month/l1\eot1\crs Jl.'l,ve. ::. : . 1101. 1,400.1 me~ lh~y go up t() 3,4 ;OOO.1'he area:that. ::: ,',
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[2tltJlemanymore.TIu:ylJ:pop in'a couple C?t tin\e.s II. ~eek':::'. :..' [211 Q: 11':lt would be what U1C statc would pay, is
~:1'JU\.t's i1SUl1l1Y.ll'quic:k'~p (In:the:.way..homeJtotn:.~~ or':' , [22J th:ll correct? . . .... ..... ... ".
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[2~1 Q: Do you :anticipate Ulat Ule residents will own 12-41"600,580. . '. ::. :.:.... .. ',,'. . :.' ..': . ..... ::. ". '::.. .
1251 their own velticle? 1'251 0: And Ulen on private pl:lcement5, wlult would
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HEINIGE ET AL
CURRY AND OTY OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE TIlE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
Pogo 1:11
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III your expeclc:d charges bel ., 'u. '. II]
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111 MR. HAGGI1T: 1 have no OU,Cf questions. (7) Q: Docs tJuat stand for SupplcmenUl Security
ISI THE COURT: What docs ass stand for? {BI Incomel
{;J THE DEPONENT: It's Medicaid. It's r:M :~riA:')'~.~:::.::'<~n':,;,=::':",: ;'.: \::',.:.,',::-'.'/':;S:::::':.:.:i=:::' :X:: ::.' ,:::. ::.:':.Y'''':~'
110] (Jut tbe S12te: pays for thcm bec;ause thcy lU'e II0l MS. DOUGAll.SIDES: 'I1wlk you,
1111 umble to. Itll THE COURT: Any oU,er questions of the
1121 MR. BRINSON: Your Honor, if I couJd. 112) witnessl Any other evidence from the appUcant1
113) THE COURT: Redirect. 113) MR. BRINSON: II you would Illee to
II.) REDIRECT EXAMINATION 114) have: the copies in which we've provided into
116] BY MR. BRINSON: {IS) evidence in rcbtionship to the V2lucs, we'U be
116] Q: Since you've llvc:d on the street - do you lIB) more: tJwJ h.:Ippy to. They're pubUc record.
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11V) Q: You do. Do you h:ave a fear or conce:rn for ('91 evidence. You were referring continuously to
1201 your children with the traffid ,., "iliuJ1.,... ,. .. .,' ......"....,..., \201 tJus _ "
12'10f~~~[~~~~::~li~~g~~Wtci:(2:';:::~l~~~.::jA~:::~ 121/ MR. BRINSON: M;ap. ,
jZ21. 'Ut''"'' ..1"'ili ft...:. .':~.... .~:tii:: ':,...,.) llieto':i.(:f\l,ljth.ouf~"'''''':'''''~':~''::''':'',:,:, 1221 THE COURT: -1D2P lu:re.And that s
~J'r~~~' ::~~;;,~ti%ilh~t~;~.:~9,t.:idio~J~:;,@j~)lttf~ lZl} not in evidence at thi~ point.
t~.t.;.,... ",.'".,.'...'dy...'."~~N9"....,.,.,',,.:.,. :;'fi' ".;j;;:"'" ....'<.t:.'d: .,.....j:;.....;~t.t.t""',..t">,:"":~~<::';~~.,:>l:.~>~ "'41 MR BRINSON' We II be happy to put
ICSFt=o'at'Oun ,:W uA~:'5torc:s:Qn'.f ~,I:'()wn{- .' on',.l-<O,IIU 0.... "":":,,:,,,":':,~,:,,,,:,,':":'" 1~ . .. .
Page 132 t2SJ thAt m there.ll shows where Mrs. Helnige
III stipulated the other ACLF was.
l2J THE COURT: Well, I don't think we
PI need it just for Ullll, if that's the only purpose.
I.) I thought there were other rca50ns why. during the
IS) course of the hearing, you h2d people identifying
161 different locations.
(7) MR. BRINSON: You're absolutely correct,
[BI your Honor. It emphasized, you know, the close
113J Q: Do you think it's a plus for you Uving across [12) being received as AppUC2Jlt's Exhibit 1 to clarify
1141 the strect, not only for the opporttlnity to provide care ['31 thc evidence tlu.t W2S given?
[ISJ lor these individuals and tnan3ge and maintain the (f04[ MS. DOUGALL-5IDES: No objection from
[IB] property, do you think it's a plus Cor parking :and other {fSI the City.
II7I...:~~.s, as..:w~b'n.r ......""';.~" .."..:if........".......t4,;.. ,.......... "':'''''''''';~;:'':X':':~:.::...:.'':: :.".' [1111 MR. HAGGm: I don:t objec;t.
t111J:,;":,.,A~,,Yes.l; .'Wt!:,'~w":CU~.:,,,Q'wn.~~'~'c::lUU9ll4t~.':.,::::<:,:.,,~,:.;:..:.:.:::.::;'''.,::,.' [171 THE COURT: Okay. III receIve it for tlu.t
~:,#&~~~:~if2~~~~~'~~~~kt~';j~~,.:".:~i~;:~::}~~;;'),;i:i ~::l pu~~~ time AppUant's ~it I,nup of
l2lJ .,.ptJ:f:!jblJ.it;y: pf~p1ilYm~~if::W~: g~:err:()!:~.c;..g(O~/tl,::::!::,r\<>;.::~:Jj [201 residential area was marked for
~}~~~~rfu~~~t~i:l~k:;:~~~b1~~,'tii?:~:':i:::~(;::f:j/~:'i (211 ide~~~g~WT An th id 1
~'~~~~~~~;~f~?~;~;~xt::~~:~:,~~mM~;~~~:~m~),;:~'{t;:~;;;~!~~.;I~::j.:lt: : ~~E :1~~~:N~f~~~~E~;:: to
paQ9 1:J:J [251 makc summations at this point?
, ~:. . .. ::.: ~.::..
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1'1 Q: I think the: t.estimony of Ms. Galpin before
12I th:It the aVerllge rent, if that's a concern Cor the, III MR. HAGGIIT: PIca5C.
131 appellant apparenUy because: of their questions, was a f2l THE COUnT: Mr H:aggiU, you may proceed.
~'~':'::fG~\yJ~~\f!~~~~;~~t1I;;1~~:'~.t\r:~:*~;WPMi~)~~iS,::::~:~,,::'::;:}i:rt5/':J:\\S'::;~: MR, HAGGI1T: Thank :o~,~o~:Joln~r~ S
.'. [61......... at'&id'you"rc 's.t:iung (Jut Iris sOmcwhcre around IS] The burden of proof in thc proceeding below before
11I Goo per individual. But thc 525 doesn't include ulllities 16J the Board is a burden of proof placcd on Ull:
1~\~~~ii'.~H1!Bi~i'D'i0XK"W20J : rf.~~'i::!~:!.;.~if~
1;~}9l:Aff~~e:mww~;~g~;:#r~~~~~~fiP~~~11~~;t*~;~:;f[ji::{~~;t:Jn [~~l ~~~~e~n1J:r~~~~~~~~~~~e %i8~~g
11"J::~~~}'~ff~st:,~,~~y*,'~m~""eili\Jt~5t::<i.:::{(t (121 conclusions. So they have to prove all of the
f:~::~~~W~~;~~~~~f;~ti~~~)i#ke;.)oO\J)(i{:.W~~\7:S,~::}~i.;:;,~~':::.::T\:::: :::: c:le~;~TI~LS arc the othcr memhcrs of the,
111ll pt9Qt"D~tJe$,J.\Ot.d~.~!,'~~:~ .~~~~~.f~o.~ ~ ~. ~.~. :/ :{::,: ,:,';:.,,::: :.:: .:- ~' IISJ public Uut appeared at the hearing. They di~ not
un If)'(tu glyegoOd cal'C. ''',:.;i:.:,.:<:':: ,,:,:,,~',:::';:,..:",','.,,:...., ,,':"',:,:.,:,.., ..'.' '::":::.,;;,..,..,,,..:.... ,', 116] Illlve to come in :and prove lhatthis shouldn t be
rIal ..,. Q: 'But based upoii"you'r'Jovc'~d consideration and 117) done, which is apparently the standard Uut was
[Ill) actual code of ethics, if 1 recall right, is that not part liB) used by the Board.And this is aU the argument
(201 of tJle reason for making this de~i~i~n? ...',... 1111) you've heard aboutlr.1ffic :and this. You've got
(211..:jAf.~Ycii;'r?Y,:/i~.::>.:';.>-(:',.;.:::::",..':,"J:;:',.C,,:.,;,:.:, :~,;,'. .,::.::.::: :.' ::::,:d.,)::::::S/.'..,:'.,.:. I2DI to prove: to us th:at there's a problem with us
1221 MR. BRINSON: Thank you. 121] doing Utis.
(23/ MS. OQUGALL.sIDES: Can J just clarify. rn1 TI12t is the incorrect burden of proof.:and I
12~1 [23J think the appelbnt should be held to the
(251 (24) requirements of the code, espedaUy in the
1251 situation We luve here where lh1sls really
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BEFORE THE. nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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III basiC;'\lJ)' a person cOming in to try to start a
[21 business and Uley are on notice that what 15
13J intended to be done with the property is not
14] allowed under the curccnt circumstanccs, 50 Uley
IS] should be bound by Ule code provisions,
Ie] I think the problem we have in this case
[7] ccl;atcs 2round - rcl:ates to the fact that the
181 City 15 trying to promote Ute expansion of ALFs
PI and ACLfls and we don't particularly ctitid%c the
1101 City's intent, but I think that that shouJd be
(II) cxpanded within the perimcters of the code as it
(12\ prcsently exists or If the City doesn't tlUnk that
1131 that's appropri2te or valid then the code should
(14J be ch:lrged.1t is not appropriate under cfther
(161 the: City code or case law to change: code
liS) provisions by using variances,Th2t's what the
{\71 circumstance ls in this casc.
118] I think Mr, RJchter 'W2S as candid :as
[1111 he could be, but I don't think if you look at this
I2DI situ:ation you em, without tongue and cheek, 5aY
1211 that this particul:ar piece of property is unique.
\'Z21 As he stated in his general testimony, \.his is a
(23) cookie.cuUer community. All of these properties
(24) are the same. There is nothing unique about this
[25] particular piece of propertY that would create a
III testimony in the record tod;ay or any testimony in
rzl thc record or :any evidence in the record below
13) thaI would indicatc U12t Mrs, Curry's sole
14] motivation is not economic. I don't have to prove
IS] th;at it Is.
16] l1ley have to prove tt12t illsn't.
[7] There was obviously no proof, no testimony, no one
[6) has seen or heard from Mrs. Curry,1b1s is purdy
[IIJ :lJl dfort on the part of the purclwcr. Wlult her
lID} reasons or motivations are,:are not rclcv:mt.The
[11] code provision is dear, that it must be the
1'2\ desire or the applicant or owner. So they did not
1131 prescnt any proof on that issue.
1141 The bst one is a little more troubUng.
1151 The granting of U1<<: wriancc will be in h2rmony
110) with thc general purpose of intent of the bnd
117) development codc and comprehensive plan and will
II!l not be materially injurious to Ule surrounding
IIG] properties or otherwise detrimental of the public
1201 weifare, sort of a catch.all provision.
(21) And the big concern I have here, I
[22] think the granting of the vari211ce will in fact be
f231 detrimenuI when you take into conversation Ule
124) purpose for granting the variance where there is
[25J no uniqueness. What you're doing 15 then you're
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(I) hardship that would warrant a variance.And those
[2] are the st..mdards we h2ve to follow. We might not
(3J like it. The City mlght want to promote ALPs.
14] The ;altruistic reasons behind it are obviously
(5\ there. But ~ere arc not specl:ll circumstances
16) reJated to the particular physical surroundings,
(7] shapc or topographicaJ condition applicable to the
IB] land or bUildings. And 50 circumstances are not
~] peculiar to such bnd or buildings and do not -
1\0] and do, in !act, apply generally to the lmd or
'\ Ill) buildings in the applicable district.
........ 112] There is nothing different as to this
113] particular property, You have to rc:a1Jy rcal.Iy
[14] stretch it to say weU, there's a fence there or
(15) well, this particular lot is in the middle so
(lSI therefore it's special.That just is not within
117) the expectations, in my belief, of wlult the code
[leJ requires.
[19] Not ani)' do they have to prove the
[20} uniqueness of the problem of hardsWp under
121) section, they have to prove every clement. It's
[221 not a majority of the clemcnts of 45.24. It's all
(23J of them. So I'm having difficulty seeing any
1241 testimony that would indiClte to me that the
(25) strict ;applications to Ule prOVisions of the code
[I] creating a situation where the City by its process
121 of should we approve or not approve this vari:lnce
(3J based on staff recommendations, is going to modify
{4] or amend the code without going through the
\5} necessary steps, ie, referendum by the public.
[61 And that's what is happening here. I
(7) think it's clearly ;an indication the City wants to
[81 do this.Thcy don't want to go through the
~I process of amending the code, so we recommend that
110) variances be granted even though they don't
1111 stricUy comply with provisions of 45.24.50 in
(12\ that way, I think it definitely is a problem with
113) paragr:aph four because I don't think that's in the
114l best intercst of the City or thc residents to try
115) to get around the purposes and provisions of the
116] code by using a wrlancc process rather than
[171 changing the code itself.
[18] THE COURT: Ms. Dougall-sides.
[19] MS, DOUGALL.SIDES: Th;ank you. City
1201 would submit there's no evidence that the Board
[211 below applied an improper sundard or over.reached
[22] itseif in considering the appliC'2tion. The
[231 appellant here still docs have her code, a burden
/24J of proof, to show the administrative law judge
[25) that the decision cannot be sustained by the
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[11 as they now exist, ie, the 500 foot separation 111 evidence before the Board, or Uult the decision of
121 from resIdential district;and the 1,200 foot [2] the Board departs from the essential requirements
(31 separation from Mother group home, would deprive (3] of Ia.w.And we submitlhat they h~ve not shown
14] the applicant, and then we've got to - I think [4) that.
[5] this is imporunt, the applicant is the present [5] The objections of thc neighbors below
[6] property owner - would deprive that appllC2J1t of [6J were basically personal opinion, and you don't
[71 the reasonable Use of the land or buiJding. [7J have anything furU,er before you that's rc:illy
18\ There's no way it can deprive her of Ule ISl been putln evidence today other th:an their
(Ill rosonable use of the land or buUding because ~I persona! opinion.There's been no documentation
1101 she: is prcsently using it ;and has used U for 1101 of the alleged adverse affect on real property
1111 years;lS a rental f;acUity. She's never used it 1111 values, the alleged noise, the alleged traffic
II~] as an ACLF. She never intends to use it as an 1121 incre:l5c or the aIIcged fight.lllg among residents
ll31 ACLf, ll31 that were U\elf comments ~low at lhe hearing ~d
1141 So there's no Wlly thaI Ule record 114] today.
(lSl establishes either here or at Ule hearing before [15] 11ley really presented nothing new beyond
1161 the Doud below Ulat thc strict application of the 116] their opinions. You did hc:ar expert opinion
, (17) codc provision rel;aling to separation would in any 1171 testimony from our pl;uuting expert that the
. ) 1\111 way deprive the appUcanl or the rC\sonable Use of \11\} wriance ~\$ appropriate, In his opinion, ~d that
'...... [IOJ the l;and or building. 11111 was unrebuued, You've heard unrebuucd rC2J
" [2OJ llle applicant also 112d to prove [2D1 estlle broker testimony today and at the hearing
[21] section three.TIlc applicant had to provc Ulllt [21} below in the record that the property values will
[22} the variance is not based exclusively upon Ule [22J not decrease as :a result of the siting of this
rnl desire Cor econonllc or oUler material gain by the \'231 fadlity.
(24) applic:mt or Ule owner.111e :applicant or the [241 Hegarding the ownership que5tion, I would
~I owner are U\e ume person.There i5 ;absolutely no (251 point out that the vari:ance chapter in sect.lon
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(11 <15.22 provides who shill me an nppllc;ation for
121 variance.And it states that an appllcation may
PI be ftled by the owner, 11 property owner or a
141 ten;ant.And It really doesn't specify even wh:u
[5] type of tenancy would be required. So if a month
[6] to monlh tenant, for lnsWlce, can apply for a
(7] vari:ance, we would submit that a contract
10] purchaser is also an appropri:ate applicant. We
[GI would urge the administrative law -
(10) THE COURT: Which section WlIS that, by
(11) the Wlly?
(12) MS. DOUGALL..sIDES: 45.22.
113) THE COURT: Oby.
II.) MS. DOUGALL..sIDES: Subpar2graph one.
1161 An application forvarlanc:e shall be: prepared on
(IS) forms available atche office or the Development
(17] Code administrator and to be signed by che owner
{181 or tenant of che property. And then it goes on to
[19] say any application signed by II teruutt slu1l be
[201 supplemented by a written statement of conscnt
1211 from the property own cr.
[22l So the code is pretty liberal as to
[23] who can apply, We would urge the administrative
[24] law judge to uphold the Bo:ard's decision with the
(2S] reasonable conditions, particularly lhe
(I] landscaping condition that were p12ced on the
12I Board - p12ced by the Bo:ard below.
P] THE COURT: A summation by the applicant.
[4) MR. BRINSON: Yes, I would. ] think
151 the testimony today has been clear, that there is
[6] a need for this type of facility. ] think that
[7] it's - the testimony has been clear Utatche
[8] surrou nding property owners, the ap pclliutts, are
~ not going to be adversely affected.
[10) In a lener cbtedApril8,1998,from
(11) anorney Haggin to the City of Clearwater.
112) emphasized in there in rc:lationship to the land
113] development codc and the comprehensive plan in
114] granting the wriance will be matcri2J1y injurious
115] to the surrounding property owners and otherwise
111l] detrimentllto the publlc we1farc.
117] ] think the testimony was very clear locby
11&] that Utat's an incorrect statement, that in no way
119] will the property values, no way will adjoining
[20] property owners, those on the streel, will be
121] adversclyaffected eithcr impact because of
[22l traffic. impact because of the tenant or an impact
[23} due to any other adverse condition that, in their
(241 own opinion, m:t.y affect UUs property when
[25] technic:ally it doesn't.
BEFORE n-ll! HON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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j (II granting of this would not bc out of line.
J (2) MR. HAGGITT: My brief response, if I
, (31 could. and I'll m:tke it brier. On Ule issue of
I (41 who the appUcant will be, I U1ink the code is
I (51 dear that it can be:an owner or tenant.The
. (61 prospective purchaser Is neither - doesn't really
1111 make much diffcrence because she's not ll.llempting
1&1 by an applicant anyway.The applicant is by
~l ftllng is Mrs. Curry.
[101 Again. my clients are herc Insed on
[HI the position thAt the Bo:ard did not follow thc
[12) code In m:aklng it's decision at the hearing below.
[131 The burden of proof, again, was not on my client
[I"} to s:ay there's a problem there but for the
[15} :applicant's bcJow to prove thcy came within the
[16} Iw'dship provisions of the City code, And thal's
[17] ag;ain -there should not be a shifting of proof.
1118] I just want -I think just to end with a
l119] dtation from E1wyn vs. City of MLunl which is an
[20] older case where I think is right on point with
[21] the situation that we: sec ourselves in here.
[22] That's at 113 So. 2nd 849.And thAt is a third
123] district case, 1959.
12"1 And thc Courl s:ays on page on 851 that if
1251 authorities seem uniform on Ute propositions that
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111 the difficulties or hardships relied on must be
121 must unique to the parcel involved in the
131 application for a variance.TIley must be peculiar
I [41 to that particul:ar property and not general in
I [51 characler. Since difficulties or hardships shared
I [6) with others in the area go to the reasonableness
(7] of the zoning, generally, and will not support Ule
[8] varlance.
~) If Ule Iw'dship is one which is one common
lID] to the other, which is the situation we have
111] Ulere.The remedy is to seek a change in the
112] zoning for thc neighborhood rathcr than to seck a
113J change through a variance or an individual owner,
II"J thus
lIS) some exceptional ll.l1d undue hardships of the
1161 individual land owner unique to that parcel of
117] property and not shnred by property owncrs in thc
[1&1 area Is an essential prerequisite lo granting such
[19] a variance.
(20) lfthis isn't a good code provision,
[21( change the code provision but don't give each
[22l individual owner an opportunity to change the code
(23] by v;uiance.That's the whole position of the
I2"J appellants'in case.
(25) THE COURT: All right.
II] MS. DOUGALL..sIDES: Can ] just add.
12I If the code provisions were changed fOf the whole
PI neighborhood, there wouJd be an ACL, by right, at
1"1 each lootion.And I'm not sure that's what the
[51 appell;anlS would want either.
[6) MR. HAGGI1T: At least the public
[7] would have some input.
[II THE COURT: Well. my fmaJ order will be
[V) by - under the code is to be flied within 45 days
lID] from tocby. The parties may, if they wish to,
Ill] me proposed - a proposed final order which
112) would include proposed fmdings of (;act and
(131 conclusions of l:aw.And I would requC5t that they
(14J be submitted within ten cbys from today.
1151 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Could I lust ask
/161 the court reporlCr when the transcript can be
117) available because the City would be ordering a
[1&1 transcript and providing it to your Honor.
[1111 THE COURT REPORTER:)ust tell me when
[201 you need it.
[211 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: 1..ct's say five
[22l days 15 do;able.
[231 MR. HAGGI1T: Can you give us ten days
124] from the date we gel the transcript so we could
1251 review that.
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[11 I think the testimony today,cven thAt of
12I the appellant, stipulated Utatl5he even went to
13} the other family f;acillty with the intent or the
[41 representation that shc would consider putting one
[51 of her rclativcs in 11 place: like UUS.That
[61 clearly makes it clear Utat a need is present.
111 Also the argument that has been Slated time and
10] time again is pure opinion. It's not based upon
(9J any inform:t.tlon that wouJd adversely affect the
110) surrounding properties.
11 I} 1 think the testimony as to the individual
1121 that will run the facility is that It will be done
1131 professionally and it will be done :Iccordin!! to
11.1 aU the City's requirements.They will comply
[151 with those. And I Ulink that's one thing that we
[16l rc:ally have to remcmber, that we have placed nol
[17] only Mr. Richter but olhers in place in government
[18] to outline wlut is really the need. And when we
1111] say that there were fivc members on the Board that
(20] heard UUs original requesl and looked ;It aU the
121) evidence, looked at all the information, looked at
(22) the staff recommendation, listened to both
1231 proponents as weU :as UlOse for it. It was clear
1241 at Utat particular lime that it met Ule City's
[251 rCQuirements.Therefore, We reQuest humblv that a
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["I I, VANESSA A. DURHAM, Court Reponer, cortlty
151 that I was authOrized to and did slenoorophlcally report
(6) the foregoing hearing; and lhat the tl'B/lSCl1)tls 11 tme
111 record 01 the testimony given by the witnesses.
181 I further certUy that I am not a relBllvD,
(Q] e~loyoe. anorooy, or coun&el 01 any 01 the partlos, nor
[IOJ am I a relallve or e~loyDO 01 any at the partie II'
[I II aItomoys or counsal connected with lho action, nor am I
[121 llnanClaIly Inleresled In tile action.
[13]
11"1
lIS) WITNESS my hand and oNIclaI seal this 17TH
Itll) DAY OF JUNE, 199B.
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III MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Wlt2t the he:ulng - what
12} the AlJs have sometimes donc is leave the hearing
131 open until the receipt of the transcript and
1"1 Ulen-
151 THE COURT: 11tat's tricky. ·
[6] MS. DOUGALL-SIDES: Yes, it can be.
[71 THE COURT: 1bat had never occurred to
181 me before. You're suggesting the record is not
(Q] closed until the tran5crlpt is rued and I have" 5
1101 days from that and then I'd be h2ppy to give YDU
[111 10 days-
(12)' MR. HAGGm: I don't have any
{131 ' objection on the record to that. So we CUI lust
tl"l do ten days from then.
lIS} THE COURT: Okay. Everybody clear on th2t?
116) MR. BRINSON: I'd lust like to JD2ke Il
117) comment, though. We do have to remember that we
lIe) do h2ve a legal binding contcl.ct, th2t time is of
, IIPI the essence in re1:llionsh.lp to jf an intention is
[201 needed in regards to it. And I haven't reviewed
(21) the contract right now. But I think not only the
(22J testimony before was quUe evident that hardship ,
1231 docs c:xist in relationship to tenants vac:ating
(2"1 because of this and the fact that we have a seller
(25) ready to sell the properly based upon the outcome
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III of this. And that we request the Court, please be
r2I :IS expedient as they could.
131 THE COURT: Do you have an objection
["I to the notion that Ule 45 cb.ys for the fanal ordcr
[51 runs from the time the transcript is filed as
161 opposed to from tocb.y? '
"[71 MR. BRINSON: Yes,l do.
"......... 181 MS. DOUGALL.SIDES: Would the applicant care
(PI to stwc the cost of an emergency expedited
1101 transcript?
Itll MR. BRINSON: No.With aU do respect
(12] to the City, we appred2te your effort.
{131 THE COURT: m do thls. Let's h2ve
11"1 the" 5 cb.ys run Crom tocb.y and I will give you 15
1161 days from t0d2y to submit your proposed orders.
,1161 And hopefully you will get some benefit from the
(17) transcript before then. And if there's nothing
[181 further, that will condude tod:ay's,procceding.
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CURRY AND crrv OF CLEARWATER
BEFORE mn RON. J. LAWRENCE}OHNSTON
June 10, 1998
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CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER
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114:15: 132:11
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Albee 83:17
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ALF 41:4: 50:3; 58:1:
122:1.18; 124:15; 129:17
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130:12; 132:2.6; 133:13;
137:8; 138:3
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ALJs 149:2
allegations 14:19
alleged 142:10.11,11.
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110:12; 113:21; 114:24:
115:1; 125:23; 129:16
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Alzhelmers 61:19
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ambulances 38:20
ambulatory 14:24
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amenities 41:20; 50:8
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72:14
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12
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136:17
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98:2,4;99:17: 133:3;
136:23; 141:23; 145:2
appellant's 7:17; 26:12;
32:9; 88:3
appellants 6:9, 22: 11 :6;
13:20; 14:4,7,11.15;
16:11; 43:5;.63:22;
104:24; 144:8; 147:24;
148:5
appellee 75:13
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102:12,16; 103:18; 138:7,
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62:14: 82:15: 85:3; 90:21;
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47:7:49:9; 107:17;
112:10; 135:12, 19;
146:15
applicants 7:18; 13:13
application 15:6,10:
35:24; 53:7: 58:6; 82: 13,
15,20,21; 87:13; 88: 14,
23;93:17;95:9; 101:2;
103:3; 109:21; 113:20,24;
136:10; 139:16; 141:22;
143:1,2,15.19; 147:3
applications 15:5; 80: 1;
82:5,11: 138:25
applleCl84:21; 129:22;
130:4; 141:21
applies 13:2;84:25
apply 59:14: 102:15;
103:20; 106:20,22;
111:19; 124:10, II;
138:10: 143:6,23
BEFORE TIlE nON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
appointment 40:22
appraisal 74:20
appraise 75:2
appraiser 73:24, 25
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appraising 74:1,2,5
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approach 110:11
appropriate 10:21,22;
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95:24
approximate 25:14
approximately 25:17;
55:19; 69:20; 80:2; 86:4:
113:19
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architecture 79:5
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15:21; 27:25; 33:11;
44:19,21; 56:9; 64:1 5,24;
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98:13; 103:4; 136:18;
145:7
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66:17,20; 85:17: 104:2;
119:23; 128:20; 131:25;
133:6; 137:7; 141:15
arrangements 113:4;
128:3
art 74:2, 5
assess 68:15
assessed 67:2; 68:6, 15;
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Assessor 69:11
Assessor's 75:18;76:4
Assessors 66:4
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assist 61:25
assistance 84:14
assistant 7:2
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109:1-1
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92:3;96:17;97:10
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144:11
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attractiveness 41 :23;
50:13
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authorities 146:25
authorize 100:11
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125:11; 143:16; 148:17
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115:12,17; 133:2
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129:21
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bad 55:8
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63:7,17,20;64:10,22:
65:14,22:68:1,9,12,22,
24:69:6,12:70:17;73:12,
18,21:75:9:96:14,16,23:
98:1,11,24; 99:6, 8,15;
114:14,17: 117:17;
120:22,25: 121:7,17;
125:3; 131:12,15; 133:22;
134:13,21,24; 135:7, 23;
144:4: 149:16; 150:7, 11
broker 5:13:7:5, 12, 15,
15: 51 :17,19; 62:19, 21;
67:20; 74:25; 142:20
broker's 62:22
brought 32:20; 124:3
brunt 42:4
buffer 15:22
buffers 83:23
building 11 :7: 37:7;
47:16; 83:2, 12; 102:13,
16; 103:19; 107:1,10;
108:2;118:2,2,8,16;
139:7,9, 19
buildings 89:1; 102:15,
16; 10;:8,19: 138:8,9,11
buoyant 65:9
burden 16:10;31:18;
32:1,3,6,10; 136:5,6,8,
22: 141:23; 146:13
burdened 89:15
business 8:14; 40:22;
41:15; 43:18: 54:2,3;
106:18; 123:23: 137:2
businesses 41:16, 22;
42:5; 50:2, 6, 7, 11,21
butter 133:15
buy 109:1
buyer 5:14;7:13;49:6
buyers 59:4
.,19.,1
c
(0
'" C 5:1
caddy-cornered 57:11
calculated 93:14
calculation 68:7;69:13,
t4:70:3,4
call 17:24; 24:3;42:24:
51:2: 61:22; 78:13:86:12;
120:23
CALLED 18:4: 29:24;
39:17; 42:15,16: 51:6;
61:3; 66:12; 78:17: 121:4:
126:21
calls 74:J 1
came 36:20; 40:5,20;
146:15
Can 5:11,24;7:12; 17:18;
19:3; 20:6: 21:16; 31 :14;
34:18,22;35:8,13,17;
37:17;43:25; 44:6,21;
45:11; 46:10; 47:13;
48:10; 53:5; 55:7, 16;
58:20; 59:19, 21;65:12;
70:25: 71 :16: 74:20,23;
80:1,18; 82:4; 85:16;
87:18,23; 88:22; 91 :25;
94:13,25;95:14: 106:4;
109:12: 110:10: 120:2;
124:10; 127:6,8; 132:23:
133:23; 137:20; 139:8;
143:6,23: 146:5: 148:1,
16,23: 149:6,13
candid 137:18
canvassIng 30:2
capacity 51:18; 90: 14
cards 97:22
core 12:12,22; 18:19;
23:21; 49:24, 25: 55:6;
56:20,21: 61:11; 72:7;
T/:22; 82:6; 85: 10; 89:18,
19: 91:7: 92:7, 9; 94: 10;
107:5: 112:13,14; 119:15,
16,17,18,19; 122:1;
123:22; 124:1; 126:5,21;
127:20; 132:14; 133:9,17;
150:8
care's 129:10
careful 131:21
caring 59:15
carpet 56:16, 17
carried 113:9
carrying 105:12
cars 35:17;36:3
case 6:2,11, 16: 10:24;
11 :6; 36:16: 56:15; 82:18:
83:5,11; 84:12, 21; 86:7,
20; 95:25; 100:4; 114:2;
120:11,13; 128:10: 137:6,
15,17; 146:20,23; 147:24
cases 15:1;84:7,11,13;
110:12; 113:22
catch-all 140:20
catego rles 126: 15
category 126:18
cement 37:18
center 19:15; 28:4; 36:6;
85:22; 86:5; 116:14; 117:5
certain 30:25; 46:7:
96:10; 117:6; 132:6
Certainly 84:20: 88:3, 9
certified 11:1;17:4
BEFORE TIlE liON.). LAWRENCEJOIINSTON
June 10, 1998
chanco 46: 15
chancos 60:16
change 109:15; J 10:11;
137: 15; 147: 11, 13,21,22
changed l-i8:2
changes 41:6,6
Changing 17:11,16;
141:17
chapter 77: 17, 18,23;
113:8; 142:25
character 89:6; 147:5
charge 54:22: 56:24
charged 82:24; 137:14
charges 55:10; 130:12,
13; 131:1
charging 55:2
check 8:25;60:6
checked 50:18;90:18
cheek 137:20
chief 10:24; 79:8
children 29:7; 30:22, 24;
31:4; 41 :21: 50:9; 57:22;
131:17,20: 132:23
circle 35:8; 97:5
circled 46:2, 4, 5
circulate 82:20
circulated 15:10; 28:23:
29:1
clrcumstanco 101:4;
103:12; 104:25; 126:25;
137:17
circumstances 88:25;
89:3,3; 90:23; 102:11, 14;
103:10,13; 110:6, 13;
137:4; 138:5,8
cllotlon 146:19
Chy 6:9,17;7:2,2:8:7,
18,22; 9: 16; 15:3, 10,25;
16:3,16,23; 19:1: 40:6,
17: 42:3; 48:14: 66:16:
75:1-f, 15,17,21: 76:7,14;
17:14;78:13.21: 79:2,6,
13,16,21: 80:25: 81 :8,20;
82:7,21; 83:19, 20, 21;
90:16;98:4.9; 102:5;
107:4; 108:16: 111:22:
113:21: 117:6: 120:18;
123:12; 125:6; 129:J6;
135:15; 137:8, 12, 15:
138:3: 141:1,7,14,19;
144:11; 146:16. 19;
148:17; 150:12
City's 32:8; 76:3, 10, 14,
17,20,24,24; 81:6;83:1:
91:25;93:1; 94:21: 95:25;
109:14,24; 110:1: 114:19:
J 17:14; 137:10; 145:J4,
24
clarification 73:13,19;
117: 18
clarify 98:25; 109: 19;
133:23; 135: 1 2
clean 65:7
clear9:10; 111:5; 140:11:
144:5,7,17; 145:6,23;
146:5; 149:15
clearly 17:3; 136:11;
J41 :7; 145:6
Clearwater 6:10,17:7:2;
13:2,17; 18:15;78:22;
144:11
clerk 9:7, 16;75:19
Clerk's 75:18;76:7,15
cllont 32:1: 146: 13
clients 15:2; 136:14;
146:10
close 59:4;67:19; 117:4;
135:8
clased 52:11; 149:9
closer 12:24;98:5
clutter 56:14
Code 6: 17; 7:3; 8: 16;
JO:21, 23; 11:1; 12:9, 10,
22,25; i3:2, 18; 16:7;
31:16,23: 56:5;71:6;77:3.
4,12;78:1:79:9,9,19,25;
81:23; 84:19: 85:10;
88:15;89:12,14;90:18,
22: 91:12;93:1,7,10,17,
21; 94:5; 100:11, 13,20;
105:5,9,13: 106:8,9,12,
20,20; 107: 1: 108:10,12,
25: 109:2,5,15; 110:11:
111:24; 112:5; 113:21;
114:10,19,19,20,24;
117:14; 129:16; 130:1;
133:19; 136:8,24; 137:5,
11,13,15,15;138:17,25;
139:17: 140:11, 17; 141 :4.
9,16,17,23; 143:17,22:
144:13; 146:4,12,16;
147:20,21,22; 148:2,9
codes 31:20
codified 78:11
collecting 30:11
Columbia 55:5
coming 116:6; 127:7;
128:10; 132:10; 137:1
comment 50:19; 82:22;
83:13,15;87:10; 100:7:
101:8; 149:17
comments 15:12:83:4,
10,ll,12; 142:13
commercial 115:24;
116:5,11,13,15; 117:7
commission 64:4;77:14;
79:21,22
common 147:9
community 50:5; 78:7;
89:8,10;91:13; 137:23
company 31 :7: 53:24
comparable 74:6
comparison 71:7
compatible 15:8
competent 16:17
complaint 29:21, 23;
31:15
complaints 37:16:90:12,
15,19
complex 116:11; 124:22
comply 109:9; 123:16;
141:11; 145:14
complying 106:9
composite 22:JO; 23:25
comprehensive J6:2:
76:18.25; 79:11,15;
91:J7,19,21;92:6,20;
1 07:-i; 140: 17; 144:13
concentration 89:13;
105:21; 117:1
concern 17:17;31:11:
38:20; 63:22; 81: 19;
131:19; 133:2; 140:21
concerned 29:13
concerning 23:14
concorns 17:5; 111:2,4.
116:2; 124:5
conclude 150:18
concluded 150:20
conclusIon 13:15
conclusions 88:19;
136:12; 148:13
concur 123:4
condition 15:19; 56:12,
16: 84:2:87:7, 9; 94:11,
23;95:1,14; 101:3: '
103:24; 123:8; 138:7;
144:1,23
conditions 87:2, 3, 5, 6;
89:1: 102:12; 103:18;
104:20,20; 143:25
condominiums 86:3
condos 72:23
configuration 54:10;
85:16; 101:11
conflicts 62:7
confused 48:3; 73:5
confusion 48:13
Congregate 12:6,12:
48: 11; 54: II: 77:22; 82:6
conjunction 114:9
consent 143:20
consider 14:12; 85:3:
117:8: 145:4
consideration 12:17;
41:12; 115:4,8; 116:2;
133:18
considered 47:25; 85:8;
109:6
considering 141:22
consistency 125:1
constant 40:14; 66:23
~onstanlly 56:11
constitute 89:10; 90:25;
108:5
constructed 113:2
contact 59:2
contained 84:19;86:24;
87:14
contains 16:3
contemplated 16:9
contend 15:21; 108:3,8,
20,21
contention 31:2; 105:23
contingent 52:13:
111:22; 130:6
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CURRY AND OTY OF O-EARWATER
continuo 41 :22; 50: 11:
92:8
continued 113:5
continuously 134:19
contract 11: 16; 52: 10;
57;6; 72;6; 111:21, 22;
129:4.24; 130:5: 143:7;
149:18.21
convenient 41:19
conversation 140:23
convert 12:7
converted 54:9
convinced 110;6
co'okle-cutter 86:12;
101:10; 137:23
copies 11:1; 77:4; 134:14
copy 8:23; 9:21; 13:1;
32:22,25: 65:23
correctly 61 :23: 117:23
correlation 68:18
cost 150:9
costs 55:21: 133:11
couldn't 37:5; 40;23
count 45:24
counter 26:10
County 65:16;66:3, 21;
67:1,12;68:22;74:8
couple 29:7, 10; 127:7,
21: 128:11
course 65:13; 127: 12;
129:20; 135:5
COURT 5:2,4,7, 12, 15,
23;6;6;7:4,9,14,17:8:9,
13;9:1,5,9,13,25; 10:4,
7,8,12; 14:2; 16:20;
17:20; 18:1: 20:7, 12;
21:15,22; 22:11; 23:5,9,
13,23; 26:5,16,18,21,
24;27:6,17,20;28:10;
30:13,17;32:11;33:6,15;
34:16,21; 39:5, 7,13,19,
21,24; 42:8,14; 43:2;
44:2,15;45:10,25; 46:13;
47:11; 48:7; 49:1: 50;24:
51:1,3,15; 53:13; 55:23;
56:1: 57:13; 56:15; 62:13;
63:13,18;64:11,20;
65:17: 68:4,11,20,23;
69:4,10,19,24;70:2,5,8,
12,15.18;73:6;75:11,13,
21,25;76:2,10,13,20,
23:77:9,24;78:3,9,15;
80:5,11;81:2.5,11;82:2;
83:14:88:5;92:15,23;
96: 12; 98:22, 25; 99:4, 17;
107:19; 111:15; 112:19;
114:15; 117:16; 118:1,9,
15,18,22,25; 119:2,7,
24; 120:6,11, 15, 18,20,
24: 121:1, la, 15: 125:5;
128:24: 131:8, 13; 134:11,
17,22; 135:2,11,17,22,
24; 136:2; 141:16: 143:10,
13; 144:3: 146:24; 147:25;
148:6,16,19; 149:5,7,15;
150:1.3,13
cover 32:19; 46:12;
59:22; 82: 1
CPR 61:8
create 30:25: 137:25
creating 141:1
crltorla 15:24; 17:7;
87:13:88:14,23,24:
113:10
crlterlan 89:22
criticize 137:9
cross 56:1;99:17;
112:19; 131:23
cross-examination
28:10,13; 33:15,17: 42:8;
43:6; 44: 16: 56:3: 62: 16;
96:13,15; 99:19; 125:5,8;
129:1
cross-examine 26:9;
36:1
crossing 46:16
crude 97:16
crumbiest 55:15
current 69: 10, 20; 79:8,
17; 101:4; 137:4
currently 58:24
Curry 6:9;7:7: 31:3:
51:22,24; 53:21; 106:14,
17; 112:1; 120:14; 136:7;
140:8; 146:9
Curry's 52:17; 140:3
curl!lory 75:3
cut 10:1; 132;18
D
D 5:1; 18:3, 10
dally 60: 1
dangerous 56: 14
Daniel 6:8
data 17:7;75:4
date 9:18: 43:23;44:11;
148:24
dated 9: 17; 33:7; 83: 13;
144:10
day 36:5; 126:7,8; 127:6:
133:14
days 94:16; 126:6; 148:9,
14,22,23; 149:10, 11, 14;
150:4,14,15
DCAS 29:12;32:15;
113:22; 128:18, 19
DCAS's 16:18
deal 5:24:6:19: 58:20;
59:4
dealing 65:15; 67:20
dealt 123:21
decision 16:11, 14, 18;
53:5; 87:23: 88:8; 90:5:
115:5: 133:20; 141:25;
142:1; 143:24; 146:12
decline 42:1
declining 65:3
decrease 142:22
definitely 123:20; 141:12
DEFORE mE HON.]. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
definitions 77:11
degree 79: 5
deliveries 60:20; 128:.1
delivery 128:4,7,17
demonstrate 16:17
denial 84:8
denied 130:8
Department 15:15; 83:2.
2,3,18;87:10
departments 15:11;
82:21
departs 16:14: 142:2
depending 122:5;
125:17
depends 84:9: 127:5
depiction 19:3
DEPONENT 21:11, 13;
22:15,23; 23:20; 26:15,
17,20,23; 27:3.10, 19;
32:22;34:3,8,11,14,20,
23;35:3,6,9; 37:1; 39:20,
22, 25; 45;2,17;46:5,8,
22;47:15;49:3; 53:14;
55:24; 57:15; 58:18;
63:12;65:20:68:3,5;
69:16.23,25;70:4,7,10,
14:83:15;88:10: 105:4;
117:25; 118:5,13,17,21.
24; 119:1,6, II; 120:4,8;
121:12,16; 131:9
deprive 139:3,6,8.18
deprived 90:21: 106:25:
107:9; 108:1
descending 13:8
describe 20:21; 85:16
described 87:10
descriptions 26:2
designated 24:6
designation 74:20
desirable 41:20
desire 91:4; 111:17;
112:2; 139:23: 140:12
deteriorate 58:3; 122:15
determination 87:17
determine 87:22
determined 74:6
determining 31:24
detrimental 140:19, 23;
144:16
developed 86:12; 89:5,
25
Development 6:17; 7:3;
25:25; 56:5: 77: 12; 79: 19,
25; 89:7; 105:13,14;
116:22: 140:17; 143:16;
144:13
deviate 106: 11
DIETRICH 58:14
differ 19: 15; 63:7
difference 17:15: 70:8;
100:2; 126:4; 146:7
different 45:6, 8; 84:24:
89:6;94:7; 101:12, 14,18;
102:18; 103:12,15,17;
104:10; 110:5,5: 117:8;
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i 119:14; 127:5: 129:14:
I 134:5: 135:6; 138:12
differently 70: 11
difficult 25:7; 112:6
difficulties 147:1,5
difficulty 138:23
dimensions 93:15
diminished 63:23
dire 23:14; 63: 14; 64: 14,
16
DIRECT 18:6; 39:8; 44:6;
51:8;78:19: 121:6
directing 88:20
directly 57:11; 102:20
dirt 56:13
disagree 26:10;71:22;
72:1
discern 67:19
discover 129:15
discovered 129:19
discuss 87:25; 88:22
discussed 41:8; 93:24;
112:25
discussing 122:3
discussion 9:11; 10:5:
13:16; 21:18; 23:11; 54:25
distance 25:1<1; 30:2;
98:10; 122:13, 14
distinction 100:2
distribution 42:3
district 6:23. 25; 12: 1 5:
13:7;77:17,19,20;
102:16; 105:2: 138:11;
139:2; 146:23
disturb 31:4
disturbed 15:2
disturbing 41:6
Divides 26:17
Division 6:11, 14;8:19;
79:14
Dixie 116:12
doable 148:22
doctor 21:9
doctor's 22:3
doctors 31:9; 38:20;
60:22
document 80:18
documentary 9:8
documentation 14:9;
32:15;82:12; 142:9
dollar 53:9
domestic 62: 10
Don 5:11;7:11
done 59:8:74:1, 19;
105:16,18; 122:17; 123:6,
6; 129: 1 0; 132:4, 5;
136:17; 137:3; 145:12,13;
149:2
door 30:4;41:12: 65:25;
101: 16
double 8:24
doubt 68:3
Dougall-sides 5:4,21;
7: I, I; 8:7; 9:20; 10:3.9.
18,25; 14:2,4; 22:16, 25:
23:16; 28:11,14; 30:'-
18: 32:8. 13; 33:3, 9.
14; 42:9, 23; 43:7,25:
44:3,14; 46:10; 56:2,4;
57:16: 58:22;62:12;
75: 15,24; 76:6, 17: 77:2.
10:78:4,13,20; 80:24;
81:8,17,25;82:3;83:25;
84:15,17; 88:1, 9,12;
91:23,24; 92:17, 24;
96:11; 105:3; 107:12;
110:15; 112:21,24; 114:4;
120:17,19; 125:7,9;
128:22; 133:23; 134:3, 10;
135:14; 141:18, 19;
143:12,14: 148:1, 15,21;
149:1,6: 150:8
down 17:13;36:16;
40:11; 49:10; 50:16;
56:10; 72:14; 74:17,18;
116:7: 129:9; 132:6, 18
dozen 82:9
drained 37:21
draw 44:21; 50:8: 96:17
drew 97:5
Drive 15:20; 18:15; 19:4,
7,10,21,25; 20:16; 22:2,
20,21; 40:4; 46:20, 22;
49:1,2,3; 66:12;68:25;
71:23;72:,,4,8,11; ,"
83:22; 85:20, 21; 86.-
89:4,21;94:18; 95:2J" _,);
101:17; 108:23; 121:9;
128:1,14; 129:13
drive-by 75:4
driving 60:13, 16:89:14:
128:15; 132:19
drove 17:13
due 71:1, 2; 144:23
DULY 18:4; 39:17; 51:6;
78:17; 121:4
during 10:21,24; 52:24;
53:6: 62:23; 127:6; 135:4
duties 79:17
duty 79:16; 126:14
dwellings 86:3
E
E 5:1,1; 51:5, 12
each 11:23; 19:20,20;
20:22; 25:18; 55:3; 62:6:
93:13, 19,19; 103:9;
104:2; 110:12: 130:13;
147:21; 148:4
earlier 24:3: 35:15; 38:2,
19; 49:21;66:13;85:12,
20; 87: 10; 88: 17; 12~
early 61:19 <"",.1
easier 65:25; 120:4;
132:24
easily 115:21
East 15:20; 18:15: 19;4,
7,10, 10,21,25,25;
(4) continue. East
IIE1NIGE ET AI. BEFORE mE BON. J. LAWIU!NCE JOHNSTON
CURRY AND Cln" OF CLEARWATER June 10, 1998
20:15; 22:2, 2,19,20,21: equal 8:4 27:8; 33:8:46:12; 75:21; 139:11; 142:23; 144:6: filing 146:9
41 :4, 10: 45:15; 46: 18,20, equals 97:16 76:3,10.14,20,24: 81:1, 145:3,12 flnoI148:8, 11: 150:4
..-a.\~ 22; '(7:3;48:12, 24: 49:1, equivalent 119:20 6;91:25;92:4; 135:12, 19 fuct 13:23: 16:24: 17:4, financial 112:8
1,2,3,8,10; 71 :23; 72:3, especially 136:24 exhibits 8:23: 9:2; 23:15: 12; 20:11; 32:4; 38:24; find 36:19; 44:23; 49:12:
4,8, II, 19;73:1; 83:22; essence 149:19 24:10; 75:17 40: 12; 48: 1 5; 54:3; 65:6: 66:3: 69:16;74:17; 78:9;
85:19,19,21;86:2.11: exist 47:8, 9; 139:1: 75:6;98:14: 100:2,25; 90:9,10; 124:13; 129:10
89:4,21; 90:3. 3:94:18; essentla!16:15: 142:2; 149:23 103:13: 107:24; 111:10; finding 13:8
95:21,23: 101:16,17; 147:18 132:5; 137:7; 138:10;
104:12,15; 108:23: Essentially 49:14 existence 50:15: 109:3; 140:22; 148:12; 149:24 findings 148:12
115:25: 121:9: 129:13 establish 92:13;99:23 113:5 factor 107:24; 115:7; fine 109: 1
easy 62:2 established 101:6; existing 33:24; 34:7,10; 116:1,1 finger 122:17.21
41:1,12; 47:3: 49:20; 66: I,
economic 91:4; 111:17; 115:14 1;75:6; 83:24; 85:9: 90:16; factored 133:10 flro 15:16; 30:15: 36:16;
112:3: 139:23; 140:4 establishes 139:15 92:11; 96:24; 108:7; 116:5 facts 48:9;87:18 40:13
education 80:21 establishment 92:9 exists 17:9; 46:23; 90:8: failure 31:16: 94:23 first 8:13; 13:5: 17:24;
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124:14 esthetically 101:13 21,23: 55:4;84:18;88:20; 75:16,18;79:12,16;
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largest 93:14 56:13; 57:9; 58:3; 121:8,9 144:24: 148:10
M 136:3,3 Maybe 36:1; 60:7; 61 :4;
J6:13 last 9:23; 39:24; 63: 12; live-In 126:19 ma'am 37:6: 39:10;47:9 79:14;80:8; 104:25
J-U-S-T 70:7 65:3;66:7;92:5; 116:23; lived 27:22;41:5; 121:18: mall 43:12 meals 60:4; 132:6
Jelly 133:15 121:13; 140:14 124:14; 131:16
Job 78:24; 79:17 later 9: 19; 36: 1 lives 35:20,22,25; 49:6, malllng 76:7,15; 77:16 mean 61:18; 102:6;
8;54:7 mainly 31:11 107:6; 108:11; 115:11;
John 6:21: 11:5; 22:15; law 6:14: 16:15; 85:11: 122:2; 125:18; 127:15;
32:22; 78: 14,16; 81:6; 137:15; 141:24; 142:3; living 28:16, 18; 36:14; maintain 94:23; 122:22; 130:19; 132:18; 133:13
108:6; 110:22 143:9,24: 148:13 41:14,16,17: 42:2; 48:11; 123:7; 128:2, 19; 132:15 means 30:13,14
Johnston 6:13 Lawrence 6: 13 54:11; 55:11, 14; 57:22; maintained 86:15 meant 134:4
lawyer 5:20 62:10; 93:10; 122:9, 16; maintaining 123:19
Judge 6: 14; 10:22; 13: 1; leaps 72:20 124:22; 126:8, 12; 132:13 major 53:2 measure 97:22
22:4; 32:25; 40:24; 53:9: locate 95:1 measured 98:9
84:14:87:17,22; 101:9; learned 42:20 located 40:10;77:20: majority 12:1; 138:22 measures 62:7
141:24; 143:24 leases 53:18 85:19,21,22; 86:2,4,13; makes 8:4; 101:19; Medicaid 131:9
judgement 112:6 least 80: 11: 82:9; 93: 11: 89:9.19,21;90:2,12; 102:18; 103:5; 145:6 medical 58:1
',~ judicial 77:25 94:9; 103:8; 111:13; 148:6 94:8; 95:5, 6: 96:8, 25: making 128:13; 133:20; medications 56:22
leave 47:24: 111 :23; 99:10; 101:22; 102:24; 146:12
Julia 7:5: 51:5, 12 120:9; 149:2 103:25; 104:8, 12, 15, 17 mon 23:20: 24:19; 37:13, medium 85:4
July 27:24; 67:10 leaving 53:4 locating 16:4 25 meet 13:24; 88:23; 102:7
June 66:12 left 15:18; 26:16, 18; location 16:19:85:17: man's 27:15 meeting 8: 17; 9:22; 94: 14
justice 105:16,18 34:24; 37:21: 110:9; 91:14; 108:9; 122:11; manage 132:15 meets 87: 13; 88: 14
justlflcatlon 13:9 118:23.24 129:17: 148:4 mnnagement 53:24; member 15:3:42:11,18
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HEINIGE ET AI. ' BEFORE TIlE HON_ J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER June 10, 1998
mombers 13:8;42:24: 27:22; 28:9. 15; 30: 19; nine 52:23.25; 53:6; 110:15; 135:11,14; 122:10; 123:2,8; 124:11,
136:14; 145:19 3] :3; 33:12, ]9.23; 40:21; 67:11; 113:]9 149:13; 150:3 11; 125:7,18.25; ]26:2,6.
mental 15:1; 124:9.12 43:16.16.21:44:10.25; nobody 122:2, ] 5 obJectionable 49:13 18; 129:12, 13; 132:~'
( mental-type 59: 14 45:23; 46:7, 20; 49:2; noise 14:17;30:25;90:6; objections 14:7; 26:6; 140:7,14; 143:14; 1
mentally 59:12.17; 124:6 51:24; 52:7, 17; 53:21; 1"'2:11 31:19;83:19; 142:5 15; 147:9.9
mention 100:23 96:20, 22; 99: 12; 106: 17; non-lawyer 7:22 objective 92:5,7,13 ones 27:11;35:1;46:1;
107:21: 112:1; 120:25; 71:4;74:17; 111:2; 129:11
mentioned 38:19;41:24; 121 :1,8: 123:3; 124:17: non-standard 87:4 objectives 16:3 only 15:17: 16:8; 27:2;
4:5:22;46:18:49:5,21: 129:3: 134::25; 136:7: normal 62:9: 111:8 observations 86:9, 11; 31:6: 36:19;40:11; 44:8;
94:11 140:3,8; 146:9 Normally 59:24;61:9; 9":6 47:17;75:4; 112:2; 120:6;
mess 23:21,22; 38:4; much 9: 19; 55: 12; 67:8; 132:1 observed 105:14 123:2,7,25: 127:1, 10;
123:4 71:8; 101:23; 146:7 north 20:16; 22: 19,24; obtained 96:8 132:14; 135:3; 138:19;
mot 13:16; 15:15,24: multiple 74:15, 16 85:23:86:2;95:6; 118:21, obviously 60:18; 119:2; 145:17; 149:21
100:5; 145:24 multiple-family 86:3 23,23,25 138:4; 140:7 onto 24:23; 25:10; 131:24
MIA 74:20 municipal 81:10; 82:1 northern 20:19; 22:20; occasionally 79:22 open 6:1;41:22;48:24;
Miami 146:19 must 37:16; 123:16: 23:1,2 occupancy 93:1 50:6,21; 149:3
middle 53:3; 101:22; 124:14: 140:11: 147:1,2,3 note 20:10; 26:5; 42:10; occupants 59:11 opened 41:8,10;61:23-
102;1,17,19; 103:6, 14; 89:24; 104:7 occupation 51:16 opening 10:15,21; 14:3:
111:10: 138:15 N noted 91:2 occupational 94: 17 16:20
might 36:12:40:19; Nothing 33:14: 114:4; occupied 53:1; 93:3: opens 61 :23
84:11; 105:1; 138:2,3 128:9,22: 137:24; 138:12; 117:11 operate 12:6; 50:12;
mllJage 68:16 N 5:1; 116:12; 136:3 142:15: 150:17 occupy 28:4; 93:6, 18, 51:25: 53:21
mind 33:19; 34:6 name 6:13, 21: 11:5; notice 19:1; 40:6,17; 21, 22; 114:22; 115: 16 operated 106:17,18;
mine 80:20 18:8, 10: 39: 10, 20,21, 24; ~1:11;42:12,19;43:lO, occurred 149:7 107:16
minimal 65:8 51:10: 52:4; 121:11, 12,13 12: 47:21: 48:14; 65:7; off 9:9, 11; 10:1,4,5; operation 37:5; 54:1.{
minimum 96:2; 104:13; nasty 58:10 76:6,15;77:7,15,16,25; 21:15,16, 17, 18; 23:5, 12; opine 105:18
123:18; 125:17 nature 40:12 78:5; 137:2 61:16,23; 125:16; 126:2, oplnod 15:7
minute 63:13 near 57:13 noticed 75:20 3; 128:11; 132:21 opinion 17:4; 40:25;
minutes 8:16;9:21,24: nearby 93:23 notices 76:7 offer 72:7; 75:17; 76:6; 56:10,24: 57:4; 58:2;
10:14: 94:14,25 notified 38: 11; 40:20 77:4; 80:24; 81:8 60:14;65:6;67:4;72:8.18;
misInterpreting 108:19 nearer 127:11 notion 150:4 offhand 83:6 73:23; 74:24; 75:5; 87:12,
(, mistakes 56:22 necessarily 111:1 nowadays 55:18 office 66:4, 16;68:10; 19; 88:2, 7,13,23; 8,1""" 7.
misunderstand 31:21 necessary 15:17:41:14; number 6:11; 20:19, 20, 90:18; 143:16 17; 92:18; 98: 15; 99-
mixed 124:17 78:10; 141:5 24; 21:1,7; 22:10,13,17, officer 6:16; 28:24; 106:23; 142:6,9, 16,111;
moderate 86:1'5 necessitates 112:7 18,25; 23:2, 3,10,18; 77:13, 14; 83:7 144:24; 145:8
moderately 86: 17 need 14:21; 20:10;48:16; 24:1,7,7,16; 26:13; official 77:7: 78:5; 83: 12, opinions 14:8;64:15;
49:24,25: 56:9, 10,20,23; 45:25; 46:1; 57:14:65:19; 69:15; 88:3; 142:16
modern 41:15 59:2:60:1,3,3,4,5; 62:5; 66:18:74:24;75:22;77:3; 18:94:22,22;95:25 opportunity 42:17, 21;
modify 81 :25; 141 :3 92:16;99:22; 100:3; 81:2;85:2;89:22,23,24; officially 6:1; 77:25 62:24: 106:10; 109:6;
moment 44:1;89:11; 102:4: 104:12; 105:18; 90:24;95:3: 107:19,20; ofton 36:20 114:1; 132:14; 147:22
127:16; 132:25 117:18; 126:3,20; 130:3; 113:14; 116:19; 127:2,5 01134;25 opposed 41:13: 150:6
money 132:5 134:18; 135:3; 144:6; numbered 20:5;80:25 old 38:15, 16,16 opposing 13:22
month 38:24: 52:25; 145:6,18; 148:20 numbers 20:17; 24:2; older 31:7; 124:18; opposite 54:7; 57:10, 11.
53:6,10,13,14; 55:23, 23; needed 31 :9; 42:2; 49:22, 54:17; 115:1; 122:3 146:20 12
127:19; 130:16; 143:5,6 24; 91:12: 129:10: 149:20 numerous 105:25; 108:5 omitted 113:16 opposition 90:11
monthly 54:22; 130:13 negative 83:9 nurse 51:17; 55:5; 56:12; once 60:23; 90:9, 12; order 8:13; 104: 10;
months 52:23:60:23 neighborhood 14:10, 61:13 127:19 105:17: 109:8; 117:20;
more 10:2; 14:8; 17:3,4; 18; 15:8,22; 17:5, 7,11, nurses 56:23 One 5:21:9:20; 11:7: 148:8,11; 150:4
30:7; 31:4: 50:21,21; 71:6, 14,17; 29:14, 18: 30:9; nursing 61:21 12:13; 17:9, 12; 18:16; ordering 148:17
13,18;75:9;80:8;89:16; 35:14; 41:18, 20,23,23; 20:19: 21:3,4: 22:14, 15, orders 150:15
105:1; 117:2; 120:7; 42:4; 50:6,8,12; 57:7: 0 21,24,25; 23:2; 27:8,14, Ordinances 13:18
123:6: 127:12; 134:16; 65:15;86:17;89:8,10,14, 17,18; 29:11,19;35:9,10;
140:14 15; 90:10,13; 92:10; 41:4,7,9,10,12;42:4; original 9:7; 124:5;
105:22; 115:9; 116:3; 44:10: 45:1, 2,17,17,22; 145:20
morning 5:7,9;71:21; 117:3; 121:8; 124:17; 05:1; 136:3 46:3,8,18,20,22; 47:16, originally 90:11
105:24; 111:6 147:12; 148:3 oath 71:1 17,25;48:12,15,18,23, OSI134:5
most 20: 19,20; 22:20, neighborhoods 16:5: object 5:16;7:18, 19,22, 24,25; 49:16; 53:15,16; OSS 130:15,23; 131:8;
21; 23:3; 60:15: 80:9 33:23; 105:25: 108:18 25; 25:23;31:15; 36:18, 55:7,8,15;60:11:61:8; 134:4
Mostly 70: 1 0 neighboring 90:2,3; 25; 63:4,24; 64:3i 73:15: 65:24,24; 66:8,9, 11,14; others 28:6; 38:20;
mother 60:7 104:11 81:14; 84:10; 87:15; 68: 13; 69:22; 72:6, 7; 45:21:48:6,20; 123:5;
motion 95:1: 117:20 neighbors 124:6; 142:5 97:21; 135:16 73:12;74:18; 77:6; 83:21, 124:7; 127:19; 145:'
( motivation 112:8, 10; neither 146:6 objection 5: 15; 7: 17; 8:8, 21; 85:5; 88:22: 89: 15,24: 147:6 \..
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'+. . 14.0:4. New 74.:24; 142:15 23:23,24; 26:6,7: 32:11: 18,21,25; 102:10, 17; otherwise 37:2; 140: i'9;
motivations 140:10 next 20:5; 21:3; 22:10; 43:3:64.:11,13,17,21; 103:5; 104:2, 12, 19, 19; 144:15
move 53:5 24:15: 39:7; 41:12; 65:25; 75:25; 76:1, II, 12,22; 105:1,1; 108:4: 109:7: ourselves 146:21
moving 75:22 69:22;80:25; 101:16 77:24;81:3,4,11,13: 110:12; 112:6; 113:12; out 7:7; 27:12: 35:17,19;
Mrs20:14.;24:12,15; nights 132:7 88:6;98:1; 102:5; 107:12; 114:5; 119:24; 120: 10, 23; 36:19; 37:17; 40:22;
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HEINIGE ET AL BEFORE TIlE RON.]. LAWIU!NCEJORNSTON
CURRY AND CI1Y OF a.EARWATER June 10, 1998
42:20:43:14.19:45:14; parking 15:15,21;31:6; I person 37: 17; 55:3, 10, policies 16:4; 92: 12. 13 problems 40:12;42:4;
')0:18; 53:19:(,7:18; 83:24;94:19: 95:4.11.19: 11.19:61:21;63:3; pool 24: 19: 25: II; 37: 101, H).I:23: 111:12
"'\ 69:16; 72:8;85:25; 117:22.24: 118:4,6, 10, 100: 12: 109:8; 126:6.8: 20 procedures 113:20
105:12; 111:23; 115:13; 14, 15. 19; 119:4.22.23; 131:5; 137:1; 139:25 poor 36:7 proceed 5:8; 17:19;
( , 122:13; 124:13: 127:4,23; 132:16 person's 131:2 pop 127:21 27:20; 32: 12; 64:21; 82:2;
128:6,16: 129:10.21; part 10:13; 18:25; 20:8; personal 14:8; 17:4; population 92:14 136:2
132:1.3.6; 142:25; 146:1 25:9,11;41:15;45:7: 35: 13; 49:20: 142:6,9 portion 42:2;; 47:17.19; proceeding 8:11,15. 21:
outcome 149:25 46:24: 47:7; 54:11; 74:5; personally 67:22; 82:23 16:10; 24:4: 64:1. 2, 8;
outline 145:18 83:7;95:1; 101:1; 115:4; personnnl 82:23 76:17.18; 116:23 136:5,7; 150:18
outlined 123:16 128:9; 129:15; 133:19; portions 92:1; 113:7 proceedings 8: 14; 80:5.
140:9 persons 14:24: 93:5; portray 115:11 11,13
outside 45:20; 74:16; 126:1
94:1;98:15 part-tlmo 127:12 perspective 25:18; position 13:13,20; process 58:23; 105:12;
outward 17:16; 37:7. 23: particular 12:24; 13:2: 129:25 40:18: 103:1; 109:24; 115:5; 141:1,9. 16
94:9;98:6 17:2; 48:5: 59: 14; 6;: 17: Peter 51:15 110:1; 146:11; 147:23 produce 26:9
over 22:11,13; 25:9; 67:16: 71:4:72:3; 84:12: petition 9:15, 17; 13:22; positions 79:6 profession 51:16;
27:4; 29:19: 30:1,9; 37:15: 89:4; 101:15. 19: 102:11; 28:23: 32:16, 18,19.24; possibilities 115:10 123:22
42:5;45:6: 48:18, 21; 103:22; 104:22; 110:2; 37:14: 40:22;43:17. 25; possibility 132:21 professionally 145:13
137:21.25; 138:6,13, 15;
54: 16; 65:3: 66:6; 80:3; 145:24; 147:4 44:2.4 possible 71:17; 104:1.5; profit 133:12,16, 16
106:7,24; 113:9; 125:12, particularly 137:9; , petitions 33:1 110:3; 115:19 program 74:22
22.22; 126:7,11; 132:22 photo 26:6.12. 14 possibly 110:23 prohibited 88:6
over-reached 141:21 143:25
parties 6: 18; 10: 15: photograph 24:21; 25:14 posture 102:25 projects 79:23
overall 26:3; 44:21; 42:13; 135:24; 148:10 photographs 21:20; potentially 24:16 promote 108:17; 137:8;
68:18; 96:18; 108:21 party 43:1: 63:25; 64:1; 22:5,9; 24:11; 101:9 practlcals 74:2 138:3
overcrowding 93:7: 132:7 physical 62:7: 90:1; prepare 79: 18,20; 82: 17 pronunciations 6:3
114:25 102:11; 103:17.24; 138:6 proof 16:10; 31:18; 32:6;
overrule 8:9; 26:7; 64:11, past 30:20; 52:19; 106:24 prepared 15:5; 79:1 5;
path 41:19 picking 122:11 136:5,6.22; 140:7,13;
20; 88:5 picture 23:18; 24:6,15; 88:18; 111:5; 143:15 141:24; 146:13,17
overtime 125:24 patient 61:5,19 prerequisite 147:18
own 11:7,12;26:9;31:4, patients 36:4; 59:20j 38:3; 123:3 present 14:11; 15:25; properly 64:18
pictures 20:14,21; properties 11:22; 12:2;
16; 34:8. 25; 57:17; 58:17: 61:14;62:6; 124:1; 130:23 23:23; 25:7; 27:11; 62:3 16:25; 17:8,21,23: 32:15; 17:10; 19:25;25:15;
60:16; 73:2; 108:16: pay 55:17; 130:21; piece 104:22; 137:21,25 43:8; 48:4; 65:2; 79:20. 22: 62:24; 64:24; 67:19;
127:24.25; 131:25; 133:13 82:21;86:22; \13:22; 68:13,19; 70:24; 71:5. 12,
\, 144:24 paying 97:10 pieces 110:2 114:22; 117:3,6; 123:8: 14,17,19;72:3.12;
..~. : ' , owned 37:25 pays 55:13; 131:10 Plnellas 65:16; 66:21 129:16; 139:5; 140:13; 101:10,20; 104:25;
owner 7:7,24; 12:2: 90:7: peanut 133:14 pinpoint 44:22 145:6 106:20; 122:13; 135:10;
104:15; 106:8; 108:22: peculiar 102:14; 103:19; place 21:10,12; 36:11, presentation 13:25 137:23: 140:19; 145:10
111:18.25; 113:21,25; 138:9; 147:3 12; 59:8; 101:1: 129:4,22; presented 9:3; 14 :9; property 6:23; 7:6, 24;
120:1,2,12; 139:6,24,25; penc1133:25 130:23: 145:5,17 16:13;73:11; 87:20; 11:8,14,18,19,21; 12:15,
140:12; 143:3, 3,17, 21: pending 15:16 placed 69:14:97:13; 136:11; 142:15 18; 13:3; 14:16: 18:16, 16,
146:5; 147:13,16,22 people 13:21; 29:20, 25; 129:24; 136:6; 144:1,2; presently 117:11; 123:6; 17; 19:2, 24; 23:4, 21;
owners 6:23; 11:11; 19:2; 145:16 130:1; 137:12; 139:10 24:5,5,12; 28:19; 34:7;
28:4: 36:22: 38:14; 59:4: 30:3,6,7;31:7.8; 32:17. placements 130:25 presents 88:19 36:22; 41: 18; 49: 1 0; 50: 1,
23; 39:3; 40: 13; 41 :24;
89:20; 90:16; 144:8,15, 50:13; 56:19, 21: 59:13, places 55:6: 56:23 presumption 102:4 17; 51:20; 52:10,18,24:
20; 147:17 16,18,24; 60:1,15; 75:1, plan 16:2;33:11;57:19; pretty 40:14; 60:18; 53:22,25; 54:5; 57:10,17,
ownership 142:24 20,23,24; 58:4;61:17,25;
20;91:8;93:4.18; 101:23; 76:18,19,25;79:1;; 143:22 63: 15, 22; 64:4; 65:5, 11;
oxygen 31:9 109:10.25; 112:13: 91:17,20,21;92:1,6,20; prevent 61:16; 62:8 66:6.10,11; 67:5,16:
115:16,18,20.21; 122:5, 94:21; 107:4: 140:17; preVious 66:13; 108:6; 68:9.16,24: 69:21: 71 :3,
p 9; 125:23; 126:8; 127:16; 144:13 114:8 8,9:72:10,11.23;77:20;
135:5 planned 60:10 previously 77:21; 80:4 82:16; 85:18. 21: 89:19,
p 5:1 people's 56:11 planner 78:25: 79:8 price 75:2 24; 90:6, 7, 8. 16; 97:3;
P.M 150:21 per 53:10; 54:22; 55:19, plannlng79:9,11;81:10, prices 74:19 99:2; 103:3,14, 22;
23.23:61:1:72:15; 20; 62:1; 122:4: 142:17 104:17,23; 106:8, 17,24;
packet 83:7: 95:9 100:13: 131:5; 133:4,7 plat 24:2; 33:22: 96:18 printout 75: 19; 76:4 108:4,6,22: 109:1. 12;
page 9:22, 24; 10:8,9,10; percent 96:2; 125:1 please 18:8; 20:22; 22:4; prior 8:15; 32:6; 86:6; 110:2; 111:20: 113:1;
33:7: 44:6; 69: 17: 92:2. 4, percentage 84:7;95:15 33:24; 34:6; 39:10;40:2; 90: 19; 94:4 114:21.22; 115:15,17;
4; 94:25: 146:24 perform 79:23 45:21; 51:10; 53:9; 68:1 1; private 130:25 117:12; 118:11; 121:22,
Palm 51:15 performing 82:16 108:20; 136:1; 150:1 privilege 55:13 25; 122:22; 123:2,8;
panic 53:2 piUS 132:13,16 probably 6:2; 45:23; 128:20; 129:25; 130:5,9;
perimeter 15:20; 83:23; 52:23; 55:11: 62:2: 80:3: 132:16; 137:3, 21,25:
paper 66: 19; 72: 15 94:18;95:4,16,17,18; Podiatrists 60:22 82:8;86:15;99:3; 106:7; 138:13: 139:6; 142:10, 21;
paragraph 91:16; 141:13 117:22: 118:9,10, 10, 13 point 7:25; 41:7; 45:10; 110:23,24; 112:12; 143:3,18,21: 144:8, 15.
(~.0 parcel 147:2, 16 perimeters 137:11 53:2; 58:16; 73: 13; 115:22; 120:9; 126:2; 19,20,24; 147:4,17,17;
parcels 19:13 period 52:25; 53:6,6; 134:23; 135:25; 142:25; 127:10,11 149:25
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Pardon 18:21; 21:11; 71:9; 107:16; 115:15 problem 5:20; 11:4; proponents 145:23
28:17 permit 124:7 Polnte 116:7 61:10;62:11; 104:23; proposed 13:22; 14:23;
parenting 60:8 permitted 116:23; pointing 97:11 129: 12; 136:20; 137:6; 29:17; 41:4: 54:9; 85:19;
parents 57:22 129:19 police 29:21, 23, 24 138:20; 141 :12; 146: 14 89:5;9O:J 1;91:6; 104:11:
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CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER June 10, 1998
110:4; 148:11. 11.12; Q 133:4,19 reflected 66:6, 25 reports 79:18,20,21;
150: 15 RlCelpt 149:3 reflecting 69:8 84.:5
proposes 31:3; 51:24; receive 8: 15, 20; 9: 14; reflectlvo 69:2 reprosent 11:5.9; P'':ll;
( 54:22 qualifications 59:7: 10:13; 15:12;42:11; reflects 14:14; 15:14; 21:20; 22:1; 51:21; :
propositions 146:25 64:14 .0(3:10;90:12; 135:17 66:5, 22; 67: 1,8, 15; 89:8
prospective 11:18; 12:5; quaUfled 63:5,10; 64:7. received 8:24; 9:16; 68: 12; 69:7 representation 19:6;
52:2,5; 54:4: 146:6 18; 126:20 17:24; 20:5,8; 22:10; refuse 56:15 25:25; 113:25; 145:4
protection 100:8; 108:24 qualify 64:19 23:25; 24:9; 25:21; 26:12; refused 123:3 representative 5:10,17,
prove 32:10; 87:20: quality 41:17 43:11; 44:5; 48:14;76:2, regarded 119:20 18,19,19,22;7:10.19,
13,23;81:5,13;83:4; 20,21; 52:17; 113:21
106:3,5; 109:8; 136:12, quarters 36:14 90:16,19; 135:12 regarding 28:18; 29:22, representative's 107:18
16,20; 138:19.21; 139:20, questioning 48:8 receiving 40:6 24; 54:25; 57:1; 58:5; representatives 14:22:
21; 140:4.6; 146:15 59:11:90:16,20: 113:5.
provide 10:20: 11:1,3; quick 127:22 recently 41:10; 131:22 20: 124:6: 128:3: 142:24 83:1
60:3; 68: 15, 17: 89: 16; quiet 132:8 recess 30:16 regards 17:4: 37:7: 98:3; representing 5:14; 7:7
91:12,13:92:8: 105:11; quite 30:1;60:17: 107:17; recognition 77:7:78:6 123:19: 149:20 represents 26:2
107:5; 120:1: 121:6; 149:22 recognize 5:4: 50:4 region 130:16.18 request 7:10; 20:4; 22:9:
132:14 recognizing 77:25 25:21:47:7;77:6;82:1;
provided 42:12; 112:16: R recollection 97:2.7; registered 51:17; 55:5; 83:21: 85:4; 87:2; 100:3;
56:23 145:20,25; 148:13; 150:1
134:14 99:13 regular 60:4 requested 52:14;81:14;
provides 90:1; 103:24; R 5:1 recommend 84:8; 141:9 regulation 77:17; 100:15 85:7.9,14
143:1 ralso 18:1: 39:14: 51 :3: recommendation 84:5; regulations 77:19: 92:8 requesting 101:15
providing 91:7; 112:13. 87:1;94:15; 110:7,9,17.
14: 148:18 78:15; 121:1 22; 115:4: 123:12, 15: reiterate 16:23 require 85:10: 93:10;
provision 9:4: 12:10; rampant 62: 11 145:22 relate 87:9 113:2; 127:9, 11
13:1: 100:10. 16; 106:2, random 65:15:67:18 recommendations related 88:25: 138:6 required 12:9. 13,25;
20: 108:12; 111:25: 112:5; range 74:25:75:1; 13:14:86:24; 111:7; 141:3 relates 137:7.7 19:2:96:5;99:24; 100:9;
139:17; 140:11,20; 124:19,21; 130:12; 131 :3; recommended 94:16 Relating 32:23: 82:5; 101:1; 107:1,9: 109:23;
147:20,21 133:4 recommending 15:6 102:11; 111:12; 139:17 119:9,13; 123:21; 143:5
roqulrement 71 :6; 85:7:
provisions 31:17:91:19; rate 71:14,19; 72:12 recommends 102:6 relationship 38:7;49:15; 100:12.22
92:19,22,25: 100:19; rates 72: 16, 17 record 5:24, 24. 25; 6: 1; 67:15; 134:15; 144:12: requirements 13:17;
102:3; 103:15; 106:9.21; rather 110:11; 141:16; 7:9: 9:9. 12, 13, 23: 10;4, 149:19.23 15:15; 16:15:31:23'" ,
109:9; 114:10; 129:22; 147:12 6,7.19: 14:14.25; 15:14; relatively 85:14; 86:14 100:6: 104:19; 105:,
137:5.16; 138:25: 141:11, rationale 82:14 18:9,25:21:15,16.17.19, ,.
relatives 145:5 106:12; 109:15: 120:1:
15; 146:16; 148:2 read 40:19: 92:14; 114:9 23; 23:5,12,13,25; 24:6; relevance 84:11;97:22; 129:18; 136:24; 142:2;
proximity 135:9 reading 10:1: 119:25 30:17:31:14,19;32:12; 98:8, 12 145:14,25
public 42:11, 12.18.25: ready 5:8; 21:22: 59:8; 33:21; 39:11;44:5:45:13; relevant 140:10 requires 12:16.22;
68:6:74:15;76:8;83:3,17; 149:25 48:10; 51:11; 52:4: 54:8; reliance 109:2,10 85:11;96:3; 108:10,12;
105:15; 134:16; 136:15; reaI5:13; 14:16: 19:16; 64:17;65:14; 66:21; 125:16; 138:18
140:19; 141:5: 144:16: 67:13: 73:4;97:23; relied 147:1
148:6 25:24; 51:17,18: 62:18, 107:14; 134:16; 139:14; rell~f 100:14: 106:6 research 124:13; 129:4,
publication 77:15 21; 63:8; G4 :8; 67: 19; 140:1,2,2; 142:21; 149:8, rely 109;12 15
142:10,19 13 researched 129:7
Publlx 128:11.11,14 realize 47:15 recorded 66:24 remain 33:11; 101:1 reside 54:5; 57:19
pull 74: 13.14,14 really 17:15; 29:16; records 16:18; 65:16; remainder 10:10 residence 11:11; 14:23:
purchase 130:5,9 50:22; 60:22; 84:13; 66:3; 68:6. 22: 74 :8, 15 remedy 147:11 18:11; 24:25; 25:4. 19;
purchaser 11:18; 12:5: 89:18:98:18,19: 109:14: recreation 127:6 remember 145:16; 40:3; 51:13
51:19; 52:2. 5: 54:4,21; 112:7; 115:7: 118: 12; RECROSS- 149:17 residences 93:8; 102:2;
57:6; 108:1; 111:23; 127:4; 132:9; 136:25; EXAMINATION 73:20; remind 60:7 108:13
121:21; 123:9; 140:9: 138:13,13: 142:7, 15; 114:6,16; 134:2 removed 11:8; 18:17; resident 40:25; 53:22;
143:8; 146:6 143:4: 145:16,18; 146:6 redirect 39:5. 6: 50:24, 45:18; 101:5 55:13; 57:6; 93:12,13;
purchases 108:23.23 realtor 56: 13; 63:19 25; 70:21; 112:20,23; render 57:4; 112:6 125:25; 126:2; 128:16;
pure 145:8 realtors 14:20 131 :13, 14 rent 28:5; 29:3, 5.6; 133:2 130:14
purely 53:25;71:1; 140:8 reason 37:12; 38:3; refer 91 :16: 92:21 rental 11:19. 20; 12:2; resldentlaI6:24; 11: 15;
purpose 48:7: 63:14; 45:24;47:18; 108:11; referenced 8:23: 77:21; 28:3; 53:21; 54:1; 106:19; 12:15; 13:7; 16:5:20:1;
77:16; 89:12; 91 :11.15; 122:11: 133:20 85:12 107:11: 108:7; 115:13; 41 :17:42:5; 68:13; 78:7;
100:15; 105:7, 10,11. 19, reasonoble 15:21;90:22, referendum 141:5 139:11 85:6: 102:22; 105:2;
20; 106:4.7: 107:25: 25; 106:25; 107:9; 108:2. rentals 11:25; 53:1 106:21; 115:16; 117:7;
108:1; 135:3. 18; 140:16, 4. 5,8; 109:2, 12; 139:7.9, referralS:18 129:20: 135:9, 20; 139:2
24 18; 143:25 referred 20:9: 24:3; rented 28:6; 29:6; 30:20; residents 14:17;29:13.
purposes 93:11; 115:13: reasonableness 147:6 46:11; 90:20, 24; 113:7 53:9,15.17; 106:19 17;41:25;61:16;92:11;
" 141 :15 reasons 135:4; 138:4; referring 20: 11; 33:6: rents 53:12 119:18.19; 125:18;
J " 61:13;95:8; 109:5; repeat 7:10: 50:21;71:16 126:23, 25; 127:2,9~""j
I put 15:2; 18:19;37:16. 140:10
\ , 22; 61:19;62:4; 97:17; recoil 43:23; 56:25; 58:5; 114:19,20; 134:19 rephraso 97:12 24: 128:8: 132:9; 141:'14;
104:1,3; 108: 18; 109:25; 59:10; 60:12;79:16; rofers 117:24 report 15:5; 82:17; 86:22, 142:12
134:18.24; 142:8 80:16; 83:4, 6,9; 84:1; reflect 14:7; 25:13,14; 25:87:1;88:18,18 residing 54:6;86:15
putting 122:4; 128:13; 94: 13; 96: 10: 97:9; 44:11;45:14;65:14; REPORTER 10:7; respect 50:14;83:20;
145:4 107:19; 113:4,12. 18; 73:23;74:9:80:21; 113:24 148:16,19 150: 11
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CURRY AND CITY OF CLEARWATER June 10. 1998
respondents 6:10 801021 :4: 52:10;62:24: 102:21: 105:19,20; shrubs 96:4 H:l: 56:14:60:5: 122:4:
response 146:2 64:4: 65:8: 66:13,2-1.25; 106:21: 108:10,13; side 11:23; 18:20,22;' 149:2
,.--..., restate 88: 1 0 74:12; 112:4 109:15,22,23; 129:16, 18; 19:10,21,25: 20:22, 23, somewhat 14:13;79:12;
" ' \ result 42:19; 142:22 SalernI6:7,7; 11:9 139: 1, 3, 17 25: 22:2; 24:21, 24: 28:5, 104:21
'. ' sales 66:6: 67:8: 69:2. 9; serve 91:11 5: 34:15; 48:19; 53:4,17; somowhere 121:18;
resume 80:20,25; 81:7
retired 29:7: 124;21 71:25:74:6,16,16 service 12:8;91:13 85:19,23; 101:16; 118:3,3 133:6
retirees 41:21: 50:8 same 9:3; 18:20,22; services 38:22 oldes 85:21; 95:19; soon 101:5
19:14,18; 25:17; 69:8; set 13:24; 15:24; 84:24; 101:24; 117:24: 118:18 sorry 83:14; 112:19;
review 16:9;81:10,16; 71:6; 74:18; 85:23: 89:22; 88:15; 110:5; 122:2 sight 132:1 132:12
82:12,15: 148:25 91:9: 101:11.11,12; setback 12:18 sign 79:21 sort 126:19; 128:4;
reviewed 17:1; 80:2; 102:25; 103:5,7,10. 11: setbacks 26:2 signature 44:6,7 140:20
82:G; 115:8; 149:20 104:3,6,9,24: 109:17; signatures 9:15; 30:3,11 sought 85:2
reviewing 15:4:82:10 110:1,9,18,23: 115:17; sets 13:18; 81 :23; 105:5,
Richter 15:3;78:14,16, 137:24; 139:25 9 signed 13:22; 29:23; south 20:17;85:24;86:4;
s:ettlng 93:5 32;17,23: 40;21; 43:17, 95:7; 116:6; 118:21. 25
21;81:9,18:82:4;87:18; sampling 65:15;67:18 18;44:12; 143:17,19
96: 17: 98:25; 99:5,6,9, sat 72:14 Seven 11:23,24; 19:9, similar 17:9 southeast 86:2
21; 107:23; 112:18,25: Suturday 127:23 13.20,20,25;20:14,15; simple 50:22 southern 20:20; 22;21;
114:8,18; 137:18; 145:17 24:1G; 26:24: 54:16;61:4; 116:8,22
Richter's 15:25; 80:25; saved 132:5 69:25; 101:18; 122:6; simplified 106:7 southwest 86:4
saw 55:15 126:5 simply 82:1;88:2
81:6 saying 12:1: 19:16; 68:4; space 36:7;93:11
R,lck 83:17 70:6,7: 108:19.25; seventy 38:18 single 29:8,10: 47:16; spaces 31:6
Seventy-one 67:11 130:18
ridiculous 37:1 118:12; 123:20 single-family 6:24; speak 8: 10: 14:12; 12:22;
right 5:3,23; 7:14,16; school 41:21: 50:9 Seventy-three 69:23 11:10.12,15; 12:14; 13:6; 73:4; 81:24
11:4; 17:9, 14,20; 18:1; school-age 50:9 several 11 :9; 48:22. 23; 20:1; 24:25; 25:4; 26:14; speaking 7:23,24; 79:25
21 :8; 25:20; 26:5.14,20, schools 41:19 77:4 27:4; 86:1,13; 89:9,20; speaks 112:9
22; 27:4,15, 17, 19; 28:7, science 74;3,4 shall 105:14: 136:9: 90:2: 100:9; 102:2,20,21, special 79:23; 88:24:
,22; 29:7; 30:10; 31:12; 143:1,15,19 24; 103:25; 104:8,11,14;
34:13; 35:6,22: 38:21; se 100:13 89:2,3; 90:23; 102:10;
39:14; 40:18;43:2; 44:9; second 12:21; 13:11; shape 88:25; 102:12; 119;21,21; 129;21 111:11; 132:4; 138:5,16
45:20:47:3;49:8,17: 50:7, 22:24; 49:17; 69:22; 103:18; 138:7 51t74:17,18 specific 17:6;81:21;
16; 51:3; 52:3; 55:24; 90:21; 92:4 share 89:16; 122:5,6; Site 78:7; 86:6,9 100:13,23
64:20;65;9;66:9,10:72:9, Secondly 68:14 150:9 slte.speclflc 87:7 specifically 81: 1 0, 23;
.~.... shared 147:5,17
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1 .sectlon 12:10; 13:17,18,
J , 86:7; 87:24; 90:13; sharing 130:17
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101:22: 103:8; 104:4; 53:3;77:11,12,13,14,15, Sharon 72:13 sitting 36:7; 128:8 specified 91:20
114:23: 116:6; 117:9; 16,21; 78:6; 83:3; 87:14; Sharondale 24:23; situation 58:2; 110:13; specify 143:4
120:24; 121:2; 122:24; 88:21; 102:3,10; 105:9; 25:10; 29:19, 22,25; 30:6; 136:25; 137:20; 141:1; spell 39:19; 121:11
124:25: 125:1,4; 126:16; 107:9; 113:8, 10, 16; 34:11,12,13;35:5,6,15, 146:21: 147:10 spelled 39:22
133:19; 146:20; 147:25; 114:9; 136:8; 138:21; 20; 40:4, 10, 25; 41 :3, 5,8;
148:3: 149:21 139:21; 142:25; 143:10 45:22; 48:23; 50:16; 57:2: six 20:15, 20, 24; 22:9; spikes 56:16
right-hand 24:21 sections 10:21,23: 11:2; 65:10; 66:12; 67:7.8; 31:6: 61:4; 67:14; 89:25: spirit 105:14
101:19; 112:25; 119:18;
right-of-way 118:7 53:4: 77:3,4,18; 78:1 68:25; 69:7; 72: 18; 73: 1: 126:18; 127:11; 131:4 square 93: 12,12,14,17,
ring 105:23 secured 105:15 85:13; 93:23; 96:8; 99:10, sixteen 111:3 20
ripped 56:17 security 61:22; 134:7 11,22; 108:24; 119:9, 13, Sixty 38:18 SSI134:4,5
15; 121:12; 129:12
RM 77:19 seeing 107:10; 138;23 shift 31:18 Sixty-four 67:9 stable 65:2, 6; 92:10
RN 60:11: 123:24,25 seek 147:11, 12 shifting 146:17 size 19;14.18;45:14; staff 15:3,5; 16:24;
79: 18, 20; 82: 17: 84:5;
Road 44:24; 45:1G; seem 72:4; 108:16; shifts 125:19 100:1 86:22,25; 87:1; 88:18,18;
48:19; 116:7; 131:23 146:25 shopping 86:5: 116:14; sleep-In 126:19 94:15: 102:5: 111:6;
room 130:17,18 seemed 10:1; 15:17 117:5; 128;12 sleeping 126:9 112:G; 115:3; 127:3;
rooms 122:5,6 seems 46:12;62:10; short 30:16 small 85:4 128:14,15; 133:13; 141:3;
rough 58:19; 66:18 72:22; 97:24: 104:21; shotty 37:9,10,25; 38:2, smaller 72: 18; 93: 19 145:22
roughly 70:13 128:6 staffing 60:9: 125: 14:
Selection 78:7 5 sold 63:12;64:23:66:10,
routine 111:8 shouldn't 32:2: 136:16 12;67:10 127:9
rules 69:1 sell 111 :20; 149:25 show 15:23; 16:11: 17:3. sole 140:3 stage 27:12; 131:23
run 56:23; 122:13,14: seller 7:15: 51:19,21; 6; 18:24; 24:17; 32:2,3, solely 108:3 stamped 9:15, 19
145:12: 150:14 149:24 25: 33:21, 23; 34:5;45:20; somebody 58:8; 74: 11; stand 35:18;64:17;
running 22:19 seller's 72:24 49:16;65:10,23,24;67:7; 125:20; 126:7,12,13; 131:8; 134:7
runs 150:5 soiling 75:1 70: 10; 97:18; 106:10; 130:15,15,18; 131:21 standard 87:3, 5; 90:21;
Senior 78:25;79:8 J09:11,l1; 141:24 someone 60:3, 5; 6J :18; 112:9; 136:17; 141:21
S sent 40:17; 42:20 shower 60:6, 7 127:7; 132:20 standards 13:19,24;
'....J separate 42: 25; 89: 1 0, showing 19:1;4-1:4;69:9; something 2-1:19;25:11, 84:18,21,24: 102:7:
12; 124:7,9; 126:11 80:18; 91:25;94:25 12; 27:15: 35:19: 36:23; 105:5,8; 106:5; 138:2
S 5:1; 136:3,3 separately 110: 12 shown 142:3 38:12;61 :24:69:25; stapled 77:5
safe 11 :25: 56:20 separation 12:11,21,23; shows 17:7; 24:4,18; 103:5; 109:11; 123:4; 5tOrt 20:16; 51:14: 102:4;
safeguards 16:6 13:6,11; 84:22; 85:5, 9, ' 96: 18; 97:15; 115:10; 132:24 125:16; 126:2,3; 137:1
safety 105:15 11:96:8; 100:5,9,12,21; 13-1:25 sometimes 31:1: 42:24: starting 22:11,13
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HElNIGE ET AL
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state 7:8: 18:8; 36:15, 20;
39: 10; 40:2; ~1: 10; 68:14;
85:11; 121:10; 125:16,23;
121:9,10; 130:15.21;
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stated 26:1;30:19;35:14;
38:2; 44:18; 55:12; 59:13:
62:18; 64:23; 97:2; 99:1,
12.21; 125:10; 137:22;
145:7
statement 40:19: 50:4;
83:16; 111:6; 124:17;
143:20; 144:18
Iltatoments 10:15; 14:3;
16:21
states 92:6; 105:10;
143:2
stating 133:6
statute 78:6, 10
stay 57:21; 128:13
steady 72:21
stems 48:13
step 109:7
steps 61:15;82:10; 141:5
stick 54:15
stili 45:7;47:24; 102:7;
108:12; 110:8; 125:25;
141:23
stipulate 48:10
stipulated 135:1; 145:2
stockade 89:25; 103:23;
113:1
stores 131:25
straight 23:6
straighten 21:17
street 11:23; 17:13;
18:14,20,22; 20:22,23;
21:14; 34:2; 37:13; 38:5,
14; 41:11; 45:17,18,25;
48:24: 49:1, 9,13: 50:16;
57: 13; 58:3,8,9; 60: 19;
85:24:94:9; 102:18:
103:4,9; 104:10; 116:9:
118:7; 122:20; 123:2,9;
124:15; 125:13; 131:16;
132:14.20; 144:20
streets 115:25
stretch 138:14
strict 105:13; 138:25;
139:16
strictly 90:22; 106:22;
109:9; 141:11
strong 112:11; 136:8
structure 24:20; 26:13;
101:12
structures 25:15;71:2
stuff 123:19
subdivision 26:3; 33:22;
41 :9; 45:7; 67:20; 68:19;
74:13;75:5,6; 116:8
subject 11:8; 32:7: 51:19;
52:10,14; 57:10, 23;
65:11;74:18;87:2,13:
88: 14: 93:3; 94:22;
104:17: 121:22
submit 10:9; 78:5:
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141:20; 142:3: 143:7:
150: 15
submttted 14:15;82:13;
94:21; 148:14
subparagraph 91 :1, 9;
143:14
subsection 45:6; 88:22
substantial 16:17; 87:19;
90:10; 105:15,17
SUbstantially 94 :7; 98:5;
103:7; 117:10
successful 54:16
suffer 41:25
sufficient 87:20
suggest 46:10
suggesting 149:8
suhed 89:18
summation 144:3
summations 135:25
summons 47:20
Sunday 22:8
Sunset 34:25: 44:24;
116:7
supervise 57:23
supervising 128:16
suppers 1~2:4
Supplemental 134:7
supplemented 143:20
support 136:11; 147:7
supported 16:18
supporting 82:13
supportive 16:4
supposed 117:19
supposedly 25:9
sure 9:23; 23:6; 35:7;
37:19; 59:20; 70:12;
107:13; 109:4: 111:5;
116:4; 133:15; 148:4
Surely 108:8
surfaces 117:7
surrounding 33:22;
67:16; 86:14;88:25; 89:6,
9,20;90:15; 102:12:
140:18; 144:8, 15: 145:10
surroundings 103:17;
138:6
survey 93:16; 95:8,12,
15
sustained 16:12: 141:25
swear 39:13
sworn 18:2,4;39:15,17;
51:4,6;78:17; 121:2,4
systems 61:22
T
T 136:3
talk 5:11;7:12;42:17;
59: 12: 60: 14; 66:8; 112: 1;
114:10
talked 44:10
talking 33:2; 34:9; 55: 16;
56:11; 118:19,19
BEFORE mE HON. J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
talks 111 :25
tapeS:15; 14:13
TAR I 21:10, 12
Tax 66:4,22;68:16;69:1,
11; 75:18; 76:3
taxes 70: 11
technical 31:19
technically 5:17; 144:25
telling 30:7
ten 24:7; 63:10; 93:20;
116:23; 131:22; 148:14,
23; 149:14
tenancy 143:5
tenant 143:4,6,18,19;
144:22; 146:5
tenants 38:14; 93:4;
149:23
tend 127:18; 131:25;
132:1
tends 130:16,18
term 113:9; 126:4
terms 134:5
testified 14:20; 18:5;
29:12; 32:14; 39:18; 51:7;
70:13,24;71:9; 72:17:
78:18; 80:4; 96:24; 99:7;
110:16; 121:5; 128:18;
134:17
testify 39:14; 45: 11;
47:12; 56:8; 58:16; 64:2, 8;
70:25; 73:16;87:18;
111:11
testifying 59:10;99:4
testimony 13:25; 14:13;
15:7,25; 17:1;26:8,10;
36:17; 48:5; 56:25: 58:5;
60:12;63:2,5,15,21;
64:13; 65:1; 68:20; 69:12;
70:2; 73:22; 75:5; 91:5;
96:19;97:9;98:3,5;99:9;
104:14; 106:18,24:
107:13,18; 108:16:
110:20; 114:8,11.12,18,
21; 117:23; 119:10,12;
123:1,17; 124:4,4,16;
130:11; 133:1; 137:22;
138:24; 140:1, 1,7;
142:17,20; 144:5.7,17;
145:1,11; 149:22
Thanks 34:3
therefore 7:6; 8:3;
138:16; 145:25
they'll 23:24; 127:21
They're 22:18; 24:9;
46:23; 50:2; 53:18; 54:14,
15; 58:2: 59:5; 67:21,23,
25;72:20,21; 91:7; 104:9,
9; 126:9; 128: 1, 2, 9;
130:8,8,23; 131:22,24;
134:16
they've 58:4;90:12;
109:10; 123:15; 132:3,4,5
thinking 29:16
third 301:14, 23;35:7;
41:10; 45:23; 87:6: 97:3;
98:20; 146:22
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thoroughly 132:9
though 16:25; 73:22;
100:20; 110:13: 132:8;
141:10; 149:17
thought 72:17; 135:4
thousand 67:9, II, 14
three 11:20; 13:7; 18:12;
21:7: 23:3; 28:6: 47:2~;
60:23; 68: 12; 69:2; 85:23,
24; 87:2; 91:1, 3; 94:4:
95:3,19; 106:19; 111:3;
115:1; 117:24; 118:18;
139:21
throughout 42:3
thus 147:14
tied 24:1
tieing 23:9
times 61:1,4,4;80:7,16;
122:9; 125:20; 126:14;
127:21
title 78:24
today 13:21; 14:1,6;
16:13; 32:10;40:5;66:19;
106:14: 113:1,2; 140:1;
142:8,14,20; 144:5,17;
145:1; 148:10,14; 150:6,
14,15
today's 150:18
together 77:5; 111:5
told 30:3;93:21; 102:17;
129:11
tongue 137:20
took 22:5; 26:23; 27:10;
38:22
top 10:10
topographical 89:1;
102:12; 103:18; 138:7
total 54:18; 93:22
totally 11:25; 45:6, 8;
74:24
tough 58:20
towards 34:24; 92:4;
127:3
town 40:23: 43:14,19
traditionally 11 :21
traffic 14:17; 15:9,11;
31:5,12; 38:20;60:19;
83:2; 116:2; 131:20;
132:19; 136:19; 142:11;
144:22
training 59:9
transcript 148:16, 18,24;
l49:3,9; 150:5, 10, 17
transmitted 8:18
treat 11 0: 11
trees 25:8; 96:4
tr127:13
tricky 149:5
trip 127:22
tl'lplex 11:7,13,16,20;
12:7,7: 19:25; 20:19;
22:20,21,22; 23:3: 24:20;
25:1,2,18: 26:17, 19, ~1;
27:7,14,18,23; 31:4;
93:3,6,22; 101:17;
103:20; 108:1,23; 122:16;
129:4
triplexes 11 :22,24;
19:10, 2i; 20; 15,16
21:21: 22:1, 1; 27:25., ,l;
85:20,22,23,24: 86: 1,13;
89:5,5,8,17,21; 104:2;
108:7: 109:20; 122:10
troubling 140:14
trucks 128:4,7,17
true 9:5; 31:8; 60: 17;
73:23
truly 17:7
trust 28:16,18
trustee 28:15,18
truth 120:8
try 137:1; 141:14
trying 130:23; 137:8
turn 70:20; 128:23
turns 125:19
Twenty 79:3
twenty-five 107:21
Twenty-two 107:21
twice 36:4, 21
two 12:2,4,9,13; 13:8;
14:5,20; 18:18; 19:15;
28:5; 29:3; 53:3, 11, 16;
60:23; 61 :3; 69:9; 75: 17;
85:5; 87:5; 89:22,23:
93:19; 103:8; 107:9;
11 0:8,24; 111: 10; 11'" ..~,
17,25; 125:7, 18; 12
15; 134:5
two-phase 54:14
type 61:21;86:12;
101:12; 124:7; 143:5;
144:6
types 59:11,19;68:13;
96:4
typical 84:13
Typically 90:9: 95:24:
96:5; 117:7
u
U 136:3
uhlmate 87:16, 23, 25;
88:7; 123:9
ultimately 90:4
unable 131:11
under 6:16; 9:3; 11 :lCi;
16:7;32:4;41:12; 59:20;
70:25;72:6; 87:21; 89:24;
90:24;92:12;93:17,21;
103:10; 105:9; 114:24;
117:13; 126:5; 136:8;
137:4,14; 138:20; 148:9
understood 42:14;
47:14; 67:24
unduc89:13; 105:2,~,.v..)
147:15 ~."
uniform 146:25
unique 101:19,21; 103:5;
104:22,22: 109: 11;
1 W:14; 137:21, 24; 147:2,
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uniqueness 110:10;
111:11; 138:20; 1-40:25
unh 12:2,7,24; 21:1,5;
53:11,12,14: 54:15;
93:11,14, 18,19; 133:4
unhs 11:20; 12:3: 28:6;
29:3; 53:9: 63: 12; 93: 19;
108:7; 115:2
Unless 58:15;73:16:
136:10
unrebutied 15:7; 142:19,
19
up 9:10; 13:14; 21:4:
24:25; 30:4: 31 :3: 32:20;
38:9, 10: 40:20; <45: 17;
49:10; 53:6: 54:18; 55:18;
56:17;65:6:67:21,23,25;
68:8: 70:10:71:8: 72:12:
74:11,13,14, 15,23,25;
89:11:93:18,20; 104:4:
109:25,25; 115:1, 3;
119:17: 124:3: 127:2:
130:19; 131:21
upheld 107:1
uphold 143:24
upon 14:9.10,16; 35:13;
49: 19; 52: 13: 63:2; 65: 1:
66:2,4:68:16,18;69:13,
15;73:22;74:4,8,10;
75:5;82:16;90:23;91:4,5;
93:8: 94:6, 18; 97:6, 15;
98:6; 111:22; 114:19;
115:3; 117:1,6: 123:11.
15; 130:6: 133:18; 139:22;
145:8; 149:25
upstairs 36:10, 13, 14
upwards 115:16
urge 143:9,23
use 13:3: 15:7,22; 36:14:
90:22,25; 98:24; 106:23,
25: 107:9, 25; 108:2,4,8,
18; 109:12; 114:21;
116:17; 117:5; 121:24;
129:25: 139:7,9.12,18
used 11:19,25; 28:2;
34:25: 38:24: 52:18,24;
56:15; 107:10,24; 115:15;
134:6; 136:18; 139:10,11
usolul41:14
uses 16:5:75:19: 108:5,
5; 113:9; 117:7
using 53:25:54:15;
97:22; 137:16; 139:10;
141:16
usually 61 :8: 78:9:
124:23: 127:5,22; 128:1,
2; 130:17
utilities 133:7
v
V 52:7; 121:13
yacatlng 149:23
yalld 137:13
yaluablo 50:4
valuo 17:10:50:17: I
65:16; 66:5.15,17.23,24.
25;67:1,2,2.5.12.16;
68:4,5,6,8,14,15,17,21,
25:69:1.7,8,11,18.19;
70:6,9.9,25:71:1.13,19;
116:1
values 14:16:41:18:
63:9,16,22; 64:9; 65:2,3,
5;67:20:68:13:69:7.20;
71:8;72:11,12:73:23;
74:5,9: 75:7; 98:13;
134:15: 142:11,21;
144:19
variance 12:16, 19,21,
25; 13:6, 10, 10, 19. 23;
16:19; 27:12: 31:24: 32:4;
80:1; 81:10,16,22; 82:5,
13,14; 84:19,22; 85:4, 6,
8,13;87:13. 2l;91:3, 10;
92:19; 93:16; 98:16;
100:3,8: 101:15; 104:21;
105:10,11; 109:6,8;
112:4,11: 113:8; 114:20,
23; 117:21; 120:1; 127:1:
129:23; 130:3,6; 136:9;
138:1; 139:22; 140:15, 22,
24; 141:2,16; 142:18,25;
143:2,7,15; 144:14:
147:3,8,13, 19,23
variances 12:4,8,13:
13:5; 14:5; 52:14; 53:8;
64:5;77:23:79:19,21;
82:24; 85:5; 88:15; 94:24;
96:9;99:22,24; 104:18;
105:6,7; 110:12: 111:23;
113:2; 137:16; 141 :10
variation 100:11
varied 85:3
varies 124:23; 127:15;
131:2
various 19:7
VASILE 52:7; 120:25:
121:1,3,8,13: 129:3
vehicle 106:9: 127:25
vehicles 60: 13, 15
Velda 6:7; 11:9
versuo 6:9
Vicinity 62:25; 86: 10
Victor 52:8; 121:13
views 98:4
violence 62:10
vision 83:20
vlsh86:1O;94:6; 127:19;
132:3
visited 86:6; 93:23
visiting 30:12
visitors 127:13, 18
Ylslts 55:6
Yold 94;24
voir 23:14;63:14;64:14,
16
Yote 13:8, 13
voted 13:15
YI 146:19
w
Wages 39:12
Walt 25:13,13: 48:4
walk 104:12; 105:1
wall 62:3
wander 29:17,20: 30:3
wandorlng 14:17; 29:14;
30:7; 61:16
wants 12:5; 34:4; 141:7
warrant 138:1
wash 60:6
waste 97:24
water 37:16, 20, 22
way 10:22: 17:10;36:15;
45:6; 52:18; 53:5,19;
66:14;97:17: 100:21;
101:25,25; 103:15;
109:18; 119:3; 127:22;
139:8,14, 18; 141:12:
143:11: 144:18,19
weak 126:7; 127:21
weaks 94:4
weight 64:12
welfare 105:15: 140:20;
144:16
weren't 40:20; 43:19
west 19:21; 86:2, 5; 95:6;
102:24; 115:25; 116:1;
118:21,25
what's 33:1; 55:10:
57:13; 71:23; 72:3; 98:22;
122:19,21; 132:22
whereas 67:1; 126:10
who's 7:24;83:12,17;
99:4; 120:12; 128:10
whole 25:25; 72:22;
86:17; 147:23: 148:2
wife 11:10
willing 123:17
Wlnn 116:12
wish 17:21,22: 111:15;
122:6: 135:24: 148:10
wishes 32:23
whhdraw 37:6; 84:16
within 41:22; 46:8:71:15,
21: 82: 15; 92:6: 93: 11 ;
94:16; 98:2; 99:2; 105:22,
23; 108:25: 109:21,22;
116:23; 137:11; 138:16:
146:15; 148:9.14
Without 9:14; 10:12;
23:24:41:11: 111:7;
I 114:23: 123:20; 131:23:
1137:20; 141:4
witness 17:24: 24:5;
I 26:8:42:15;43:4;45:11;
I 47:12,13;48:3,8,9.14;
58: 15; 63:6; 70: 16, 19;
73:9;78:14; 80:14:81:9;
98:23; 110: 16; 120: 16.23:
134:12
witnesses 43: 1: 51: I;
73:9, 10
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DEFORE nlE BON.]. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON
June 10, 1998
wonder 40:19
wood 89:25
woodon 103:23; 104:1
word 112:11; 113:9
wording 48:13
words 26:18
work 20:17; 55:5; 122:14;
127:16,22; 128:6; 132:19
worked 60:11; 127:4
working 56:15: 57:25;
61:6; 124:2; 125:12;
126:10
Works 83:3,17; 126:6
world 127:18
worth 66:20; 117:16
written 83:16; 143:20
wrong 6:3: 58:7;74:24;
110:22
wrote 32:17
y
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yeah 19:17; 21:24; 23:9:
25:3,6; 29:2; 65:20; 67:22,
25; 105:4; 115:22; 118:24;
127:11; 130:23
year 36:21; 61:1; 63:12;
79:14,14
years 41:4, 5;61:4;
63:10; 65:4; 66:7; 79:3,6;
106:25; 107;11, 17,20,20;
113:14,19; 115:14;
116:19.24; 121:19,20;
124:14; 139:11
York-type 74:24
young 38:15: 59:12
younger 15:2
yours 21:3; 29:3; 49:16;
126:22
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zone 11:15; 19:1;85:6;
102:16,22
zoning 77:17,19,20;
79: 19; 85: 16; 92:8;
102:24; 147:7,12
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