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PENSION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
CITY OF CLEARWATER
November 13, 1997
Present:
Rita Garvey
J. B. Johnson
Robert Clark
Pat Greer
Dick Fitzgerald
John Scacca,
leslie Dougall-Sides
Debbie Ford
Patricia O. Sullivan
Chair/Mayor
Vice Chair/Commissioner
Committee Member/Commissioner
Committee Member
Committee Member
Committee Member
Assistant City Attorney
Human Resources Technician
Board Reporter
Absent:
Pat Shepler
Committee Member
The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m. at City Hall.
To provide continuity for research, items are in agenda order although not necessarily
discussed in that order.
ITEM #2 . Aooroval of Minutes
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Member Fitzgerald moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of October
9, 1997, as recorded and submitted in written summation to each board member. The
motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
ITEM #3 . Emolovees to be HeQrd
Firefighter Fred Maier said he has worked for the Fire Department for 21 years. He
expressed concern when a fully vested employee dies prior to retirement, pension
entitlement options are deferred and the estate is automatically assigned Option # 1. He
said this policy is unfair to the surviving spouse. He recommended allowing employees to
choose an option in writing when they are eligible for retirement. At this point, no
actuarial ,numbers need to be prepared. Assistant City Attorney Leslie Dougall.Sides
expressed concern City expenses would increase if all employees who qualify for
retirement request counseling available to retirees. Mr. Maier noted 5 years after the
employee's death, the survivor's benefit would decrease to approximately y.. of the
spouse's previous salary.
It was requested this issue be brought back with a legal opinion. Mr. Maier
requested to see the legal opinion before the appropriate meeting and that he be notified
so he can attend.
ITEM #4 . Action Item~
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a) Review and Action on Employee Requests for Years of Service Pension
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1) E. Ream Wilson, Jr. - Parks &. Recreation Director, Parks & Recreation Department
Member Greer moved to approve a Years of Service Pension for E. Ream Wilson, Jr.
The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
b) Approval of New Hires as Pension Plan Members
Member Fitzgerald moved to accept the following employees into membership in
the Pension Plan:
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Roy Thomen, Tree Trimmer Parks & Recreation Dept.
Kimberly Staggs, Staff Assistant I Police Department
Diane Manni, Staff Assistant Gas System
Carol Barden, Staff Assistant I Community Response
Gary Kepner, Solid Waste Worker Solid Waste Department
Michael Fabian, Beach Guard Marine Department
Anthony W. Hall, Beach Guard Marine Department
Lori Miller, Police Comm. Op. Trainee Police Department
Janet Roehrich, Pol. Comm. Ope Trne Police Department
Candy Hansen, Pol. Comm. Op. Trne. Police Department
Tammy R. Clarke, Police Comm. Oper. Police Department
Kimberly Espinosa, Staff Assistant I. Engineering Department
Russell Shawen, Trfc Sign/Mkg. Tech. Engineering Department
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Ms. Staggs was employed as temporary on March 3, 1997, and made permanent
on September 29, 1997. Ms. Miller and Ms. Roehrich were hired as permanent part.time
on February 6, 1995, and promoted to full-time on October 27, 1997.
The motion was duly seconded carried unanimously.
ITEM #5 - Pendino/New Business
a) David Ford
In his October 10, 1997. memorandum, Nursery Superintendent Mark Roether
reported City Spray Technicians must obtain and maintain a State issued Pesticide
Applicator Certificate. The State's examination determines if the applicant has adequate
knowledge of the safe and correct ways to handle and apply pesticide.
City safety procedures include: 1) all applicators are certified; 2) training
opportunities are available for certificate renewal; 3) yearly blood tests measure any levels
of chemical compounds; 4) respirator training and testing ensure proper use of protective
equipment; 5) personal protective equipment training is provided; 6} all protective gear
required for safe handling of pesticides is provided; 7} annual Right-to-Know training is
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provided: 8) direct supervision provided by a State Certified Pest Control Operator (Mr.
Seymour); 9) operations overseen by another State Certified Pest Control Operator (Mr.
Roether); 10) thorough evaluation of pesticides used for safety, effectiveness, etc.;
11) "Pesticide Applied" warning notices are posted as required by State law; 12)
product labeling is reviewed daily regarding required safety precautions; and 13)
equipment, safety gear, weather conditions, etc., are reviewed daily by applicators.
The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services regulates and
inspects City operations during unannounced inspections that follow no set schedule.
Inspections review the storage, mixing, application, and disposal of pesticides and their
containers. Parks Supervisor James Seymour provides day-to-day supervision of the
Spray Technicians and crews involved with pest control. Mr. Roether administers the
City.s pest control programs. Risk Management assists with the Right-to-Know
training, respirator testing and training, and schedules the annual blood tests. The
City's pest control program has an excellent record of safety and environmental
concern.
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In response to a question, Risk Management Specialist ~ Workers Compensation
Jon Marcin said Mr. Ford had filed two claims with the City: 1) November 9, 1994 -
specific spray incident - Mr. Ford complained of shortness of breath and feeling faint -
Mr. Ford recovered after 2 visits to a walk-in-clinic and 2) November 17, 1995 -
Termination date - Mr. Ford claimed accumulated exposure to chemicals during his
career with the City caused his congestive heart problems.
In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said Mr. Ford's blood was tested in 1993,
1994, and 1995 for organic phosphate poisons. Mr. Ford's tests revealed no toxic
levels. In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said the Parks & Recreation Department
does a good job overseeing spray techniques. Most chemicals used by the department
are not toxic. The few toxic chemicals are used sparingly. They are no more toxic
than chemicals handled at home. In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said the blood
screening is an early warning system for possible contamination problems. He could
not say a medical doctor would state absolutely that nothing linked Mr. Ford's heart
condition to possible exposure to chemicals. In response to a question, Mr. Marcin
said Mr. Ford is a candidate for a heart transplant. Regarding his workers'
compensation claim, a doctor had indicated Mr. Ford's heart problems were caused by
uncontrolled hypertension that was not treated due to Mr. Ford's failure to take his
medicine. In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said a medical review of Mr. Ford's
records could find no relationship between his heart condition and any chemical
exposure. He indicated only 1 or 2 studies indicate a tenuous relationship between
breathing problems and chemical exposure.
In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said Mr. Ford began work as a Spray
Technician in 1992. He may have had contact with chemicals previously when he
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Human Resources Technician Debbie Ford said the City had received the Annual
Certification of Pension Entitlement Form for Donald McMullen. He is working for the
FAA (Federal Aviation Authority). Deputy Police Chief Paul Maser has been asked to
compare the responsibilities of Mr. McMullen's current position with his previous job as
a Police Officer.
~ worked as an assistant. Assistants are not licensed but work under Spray Technicians
, ~. who are licensed.
Ms. Dougall-Sides said Mr. Ford had not submitted an application to have his
non.job-related disability pension upgraded to a job-related disability. The PAC (Pension
Advisory Committee) had indicated it would entertain a future application to upgrade
his pension with the presentation of a new application and supporting medical
evi,dence.
In response to a question, Mr. Marcin said the City had settled Mr. Ford's
workers compensation claim for a fraction of the request. The cost of defending the
case would have cost the City more than settling the issue.
b) Donald McMullen
c) William Kleinsorge
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Ms. Dougall-Sides noted William Kleinsorge had transferred from a hazardous
duty position to a non-hazardous duty position. In a letter he submitted at the October
9, 1997, meeting, he said he would begin to receive hazardous duty benefits on his
20-year anniversary. Ms. Dougall-Sides said staff could find no precedent whereby an
employee received 2 different types of pension benefits. No formal written opinion has
been written. She said the code suggests no such split in received benefits although it
does not state so specifically. Staff cannot accrue benefits on 2 separate pensions.
Mr. Kleinsorge's request refers to the receipt of benefits. The code makes no such
provision.
In response to a question, Ms. Ford said prior to his transfer, she had advised
Mr. Kleinsorge if he transferred out of a hazardous duty position, he would no longer
qualify for the hazardous duty provisions in the Pension Plan. A written summary from
the Legal Department was requested.
In response to a question, Mr. Kleinsorge said he had been advised of the
qualification change but thought the policy is unfair. He had earned hazardous duty
benefits. He said the Finance Director had suggested a compromise to allow his
retirement after 25 years. He said had he quit the City and accepted a position
elsewhere, he would not have lost his hazardous duty benefits. Ms. Dougall-Sides said
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she knew of people who did not transfer out of hazardous-duty positions because they
would lose their hazardous-duty benefits.
ITEM #6 - Directorts ReDorts
The next PAC meeting is scheduled for December 11, 1997.
ITEM #7 - AdiournmeQl
Chair
Pension Advisory Comm
The meeting adjourned at 9:37 a.m.
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