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PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD
CITY OF CLEARWATER
August 26, 1996
Absent:
Charles Weaver
Donald Harris
William Kirbas
Gary Giordano
Larry Lindner
Freda Clayton
Ream Wilson
Art Kader
Steve Miller
Gwen Legters
Gary Meritt
Chair
Vice Chair
Board Member
Board Member
Board Member
Board Member
Parks and Recreation Director
Parks and Recreation Assistant Director
Recreation Superintendent
Board Reporter
Board Member
Present:
The Chair called meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. in City Hall.
To provide continuity. the items are listed In agenda order although not necessarily
discussed In that order.
Minutes Approval - July 22, 1996
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Member Lindner moved to approve the minutes as submitted in writing to each
member by the Board Reporter. The motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
III. Correspondence - None
IV. Presentation ~- City Aquatics Program
Mr. Miller and Public Information Specialist Birgitt Dowd gave a comprehensive
presentation profiling the City-wide distribution of public pool locations, operation,
features, activities and events. Maps, slides, and statistical data regarding visitations,
costs and revenues were provided for illustration.
Drawings of water park amenities proposed for a new Clearwater beach facility were
highlighted and compared to a previous traditional plan for replacing the old Pier 60 pool. It
is hoped a slide and other water play features will be more appealing to residents and
tourists. Research into professional design firms has begun and $575,000 is available for
design and construction of the project, anticipated for opening in 1998. In response to a
question, Mr. Miller said a small playground may be incorporated into the footprint of the
water park, but that space may be better used for water play, as another playground exists
nearby. Mr. Wilson anticipated the consultant will look at issues of design, engineering and
public input, and provide two or three conceptual examples that will be shared by the
board.
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The water park will probably be located to share parking with the Clearwater beach
recreation center, but cannot share supervision, because aquatics require specialized staff
that does not exist now. Discussion ensued regarding enhanced staffing level issues for
existing and new aquatics programs. Brief discussion ensued regarding the credentials of a
new swimming coach and his involvement in the masters program. Ms. Dowd responded
to questions regarding the location of aquatics programs advertising in the Clearwater
section of the St. Petersburg Times.
V. Upcoming Recreation Events" Report by Steve Miller
Mr. Miller distributed handouts highlighting programs and events scheduled for the
month of September. He called attention to 1) the Fall/Winter edition of Communiqu6
magazine; 2) the variety of programs available at the new Countryside Recreation Center,
3) Men's 45 & Over ASA National Fastpitch Softball Championship on September 12"15;
4) School's Out Camp"!n on September 27; and 5) Performing Arts auditions on various
dates for Clearwater Community Chorus, Kids-A"Poppin, and The Treblemakers. He invited
anyone with questions to call him at 562"4800. In response to a question, Mr. Miller
explained how programs are chosen. Staff will research the feasibility of adding special
programs at the request of residents.
VI. St. Petersbura Junior ConeQe (SPJCJ Athletic Complex n Tom Williams, J.D. Golf, Inc.
Mr. Wilson reviewed the history and current status of the sports field at Drew Street
and Old Coachman Road, across from the SPJC campus. Now called the Joe DiMaggio
(J.D.) Sports Complex, it is a partnership among the Long Center Foundation, City of
Clearwater, and the SPJC Board of Trustees. The college owns the property and leases
the soccer fields to the City. As SPJC is now unable to incur the expense of maintenance,
a proposal, is being considered for a private company to pay for maintenance by
constructing and operating a golf driving range on part of the subject property. Currently
composed of two baseball fields and three soccer fields, the driving range would replace
one baseball field. Lengthy discussion ensued regarding options being considered by the
interested parties regarding land usage, and operation of programs. Mr. Wilson will provide
more information to the board when it is known how SPJC wishes to proceed, and the
board will be asked to make a recommendation to the City Commission. He invited
Member Giordano to comment, due to his involvement with the Long Center.
Member Giordano stated the Long Center executive board discussed this issue at
length and determined it was not financially feasible for them to be involved to the extent
necessary to operate the complex. It was indicated, as private industry wanted to
demonstrate how they could be involved, a proposal should be considered.
Brief discussion ensued regarding the environmental requirements due to the site
having been used as a dump before the complex was developed.
Mark Abdo, Long Center Executive Director, reviewed a brief history, the options being
considored for the subject property, and the considerations that were made by SPJC
regarding operation and maintenance. He said he originated the idea of a driving range,
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because studies prove a driving range would be successful in the area. He related details
of his idea to create a public/private partnership, subleasing the property to J.D. Golf, Inc.,
which would redesign the fields and pay for long term maintenance of the facilities. As
Mr. Wilson had indicated that retaining the soccer fields was a priority, Mr. Abdo met with
those interested in soccer and came up with a design that was acceptable to them. He
indicated the down side was that one baseball field would be lost.
Mr. Abdo continued to speak about the history of deliberations regarding property
usage, fees and revenues, and concerns of user groups. He indicated the golf presentation
is generating increased community interest, but the decision remains with SPJC to
determine how they want the property to be used. He recognized this is an emotional
issue for many of the parties involved.
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Tom Williams, representing J.D. Golf, Inc., gave a synopsis of events related to this
issue, to date. He referred to environmental requirements due to the property having been
used as a dump, stating the school and the City have to evaluate their liability to the
environment. He felt a joint venture with the three involved agencies would create a
winning situation for all concerned. He said SPJC trustees favor something that can pay
the cost for maintaining the property, but he did not have any indication of their intent. In
response to questions, Mr. Williams stated his decision to lease the property is contingent
upon receiving environmental approval. He explained how he created his corporation, paid
for marketability studies and worked with the County property appraiser to determine
community impacts. He stated J.D. stands for Joe DiMaggio. He indicated he has
received a positive response from local residents, as long as no increase in lighting occurs.
General discussion ensued. Mr. Wilson discussed concerns regarding how creation of
a new driving range would affect business of other driving ranges. Mr. Abdo indicated the
Chamber of Commerce favors the concept, but not at the expense of taxpayers.
Mr. Williams related details of his proposal with regard to dimensions, configuration,
location, and amenities. He spoke regarding his nine year experience as golf coach for
Clearwater Central Catholic High School, indicating he has no expertise in operating sports
complexes and would expect the City to continue its current level of participation.
Mr. Kader noted 8 concern with deleting a baseball field that was built with residential
donations. Mr. Abdo acknowledged the Long Center Foundation provided about $500,000
to create the field. He indicated Fred Fisher supports a public/private partnership and was
instrumental in starting the process that will result in loss of the field.
Mr. Wilson and Mr. Kader highlighted City concerns regarding use of the limited
number of regulation-sized ball fields at the City's disposal, and the large number of non-
residents using the facilities. Jt was estimated about 50 percent of facility 'use is by non
residents who pay a small fee, with the City picking up the tab for the balance of the
costs.
Consensus of the board was to wait for a final, firm decision by SPJC before any
commitments are made regarding future use of the property.
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VII. Old Business
A. Reconsideration of Name for Park on Sand Key
Mr. Wilson stated the City Commission asked for reconsideration because they did not feel
the Pelican Bay Park name recommended at the board's last meeting adequately reflects the
area. Mr. Wilson will request from the Sand Key Civic Association, and convey to the board, a
list of suggestions for names more descriptive of the location.
B. Annual Board Reoort to the City Commission -- September 5, 1996
Member Weaver presented a copy of his proposed report, highlighting the board's issues,
recommendations and actions during the past year. It was indicated many of the projects in
which the board has been involved were not included due to the 15-minute time limitation for
presenting the report.
C. Coooer's Bayou Park Dedication
Mr. Wilson invited members to attend the dedication scheduled for Monday, September 9,
at 2:00 p.m.
vnr. New Business
A. ProDosed Parkina lot on Memorial Causeway.
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Mr. Wilson displayed an aerial map of the Memorial Causeway, showing the location of a
proposed parking lot on the south side, east of the approach to Clearwater beach. The City
Commission has asked for review and recommendations from a number of City advisory boards
regarding the 48-car parking lot located between the road and the emergency roadway.
Questions were raised regarding the likely users. It was not known whether there would be a
charge for parking.
Board members expressed a number of concerns. One member did not want the entrance
to Clearwater beach looking like a car lot and a junk yard. Two members expressed concern
with traffic safety. An alternate location near the Island Estates traffic signal was suggested.
Concerns were expressed with this use of green and open space and the environmental impact
of stormwater runoff. Two members supported construction of a parking garage on Clearwater
beach as a way to provide more parking spaces in a smaller area, One member felt adequate
parking exists on Clearwater beach for those who know where to look. It was indicated
existing parking could be better utilized by increased advertising, better signage, and
reconfiguration of existing parking lots for more efficient use of space. One member pointed
out people want to go to the beach, not downtown on weekends. He did not feel such a use
was likely to create a traffic hazard and supported the parking lot to ease the beach parking
situation.
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Member Harris moved to recommend to the City Commission the Parks and Recreation
Board does not support a parking lot on the Memorial Causeway, Members Weaver, Harris,
Kirbas, Meritt, and Clayton voted "Aye"; Member Lindner voted "Nay." Motion carried.
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B. Informational Proaram for Seotember Meetina
In accordance with a suggestion from Mr. Wilson, consensus was to invite Mr. Ozell
George, of the City's Parks and Recreation Division, to make a presentation regarding
beach cleaning.
Board and Staff Comments
In response to a question from Member Lindner. Mr. Wilson reported the proposed
skateboard ordinance is scheduled for second reading on September 5. Skateboarding
would still be allowed in parks, unless otherwise posted by the City Manager, to ensure
public health, welfare and safety. He has been instructed to determine what is being done
by local schools and other municipalities. He is working with the Clearwater Police
Department on' a similar ordinance related to a problem being experienced with
unrestrained dogs in parks and beach areas. In response to board concerns, Mr. Wilson
noted a separate ordinance is needed to allow the City Manager to post signs prohibiting
certain nuisance behaviors where problems exist.
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Mr. Wilson reported the playground at Pier 60 park is progressing nicely and will be
dedicated soon. Member Kirbas requested staff to look into the possibility of adding a
recreational fountain, like the one in Atlanta's Olympic Village, where park visitors could
walk through to cool off. He felt it could be incorporated as an attractive addition that
would contribute a cool look and feel to the Pier 60 Park. Staff indicated this could be
difficult due to liability and lack of supervision. One member pointed out water
conservation could be a problem in the future. Mr. Wilson will request information from
Largo Central Park and Lowery Park Zoo about the feasibility of such an idea for
Clearwater.
Member Harris questioned what happened to the ducks at Crest Lake Park, noting only
two ducks remain. Mr. Wilson said the Muscovey ducks multiply rapidly, sometimes going
into houses and cars. When they begin to cause problems, the City contracts to have
them removed because they are considered barnyard animals.
Member Clayton stated she and her young son enjoy going to the beach early in the
morning and questioned why a lifeguard is only available from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
Mr. Wilson stated the beach guards are under the direction of the Harbormaster, but he
understood beach guard staff is concentrated during the times of heaviest usage.
Mr. Wilson briefly responded to Member Kirbas' questions about beach cleaning,
stating more information will be available during the presentation at the next meeting.
Member Clayton noted she attempted to help a citizen locate directions to a City park
in the information kiosk in Clearwater Mall, but was unsuccessful. Mr. Miller indicated
pulling up the facility by name should reveal a map of the general area.
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Member Giordano questioned the training of Parks and Recreation staff to handle
emergencies resulting from summer storms or accidents. Mr. Miller stated all staff receive
annual training and/or recertification in CPR and first aid. Staff is briefed on accessing the
911 emergency line, and how to keep people calm until professionals arrive.
Member Kirbas questioned when the City Commission's proposed individual meetings
with advisory boards will begin. Mr. Wilson will investigate and respond at the next
meeting.
Members Kirbas and Lindner reiterated a previous concern with cracks on the easterly
McMullen Tennis Courts. While they do not interfere with ball play yet, it was indicated
the cracks are getting bigger and could become a liability problem soon.
Member Kirbas stated many people continue to approach him about the issue of clay
tennis courts, some even offering to invest in construction. He requested staff to seriously
consider looking at clay courts again. Mr. Wilson responded staff is aware a market for
clay courts continues to exist, and $150,000 budgeted for racquetball may be diverted to
fund clay courts. While he did not know in which year those funds are budgeted, he felt
staff would support a board recommendation of this nature. He said staff would be happy
to listen to a proposal from someone wanting to invest in clay courts, with the
understanding that use of such a project on public property would not be restricted to use
by the investors. Member Kirbas will contact the interested individuals to see if they want
to speak at the next meeting.
'::) Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 8:50 p.m.
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Member Giordano questioned the training of Parks and Recreation staff to handle
emergencies resulting from summer storms or accidents. Mr. Miller stated all staff receive
annual training and/or recertification in CPR and first aid. Staff is briefed on accessing the
911 emergency line, and how to keep people calm until professionals arrive.
Member Kirbas questioned when the City Commission's proposed individual meetings
with advisory boards will begin. Mr. Wilson will investigate and respond at the next
meeting.
Members Kirbas and Lindner reiterated a previous concern with cracks on the easterly
McMulren Tennis Courts. While they do not interfere with ball play yet, it was indicated
the cracks are getting biggerand could become a liability problem soon.
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Member Kirbas stated many people continue to approach him about the issue of clay
tennis courts, some even offering to invest in construction. He requested staff to seriously
consider looking at clay courts again. Mr. Wilson responded staff is aware a market for
clay courts continues to exist, and $150,000 budgeted for racquetball may be diverted to
fund clay courts. He said staff would be happy to listen to a proposal from someone
wanting to invest in clay courts, with the understanding that use of such a project on
public property would not be restricted to use by the investors. Member Kirbas will
contact the interested individuals to see if they want to speak at the next meeting.
Adjournment
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The meeting adjourned at 8:50 p.m.
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