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PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD
AGENDA
February 27, 1995 - 6:30 PM
(city commission Chambers)
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CALL TO ORDER
II.
INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBER -
Doyce Haggard)
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APPROVAL OF JANUARY 23,
1995 MINUTES
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CORRESPONDENCE
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OLD BUSINESS:
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pier 60
Status/Letter
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countryside Community Recreation Center
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Clearwater Beach Recreation Center
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Crest Lake Park/Restrooms/Sidewalk
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Response to.Board Members Inquiries
NEW BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT
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Parks and Recreation Board Minutes
Monday, February 27, 1995 APPROVED
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The regular meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board was held at
city Hall on Monday, February 27, 1995 at 6:30 p.m. Members
present included Mr. Henry Cruise, Mr. Gary Giordano, Mr. Donald
Harris, Mr. stephen Guss, Mrs. Deborah Hobbs, Mr. Michael Stafford,
Chairperson Charles Weaver, Mr. William Kirbas, and Mr. Doyee
Haggard. Also in attendance were Ream Wilson, Art Kader and steve
Miller.
'Mr. Weaver called the meeting to order and, since this was the
first meeting of the board to be conducted on television,
introduced each of the Parks and Recreation Board members.
Mr. Weaver also introduced the newest Board member, Mr. Doyee
Haggard.
Mr. Weaver welcomed everyone and invited the viewing public to
contact the Parks and Recreation Board or Department regarding
Parks and Recreation activities and encouraged them to attend
mee.tings .
Mr. Weaver asked for a motion regarding the Parks and Recreation
Board Minute~ of'January 23, 1995. Mr. Harris made a motion that
the minutes be approved as mailed which was seconded by
Mr. Stafford. The motion passed.
Mr. Weaver asked if there was any correspondence of which there was
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OLD BUSINESS
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Mr. Weaver explained that the next item on the agenda was Old
Business.
pier 60 - Mr. Weaver asked Mr. Wilson for a report regarding the
status of pier 60. Mr. Wilson displayed an aerial of the site and
said that the Board last month, had sent a letter to the City
commission recommending in opposition to any tower being
constructed on the pier 60 property. Mr. wilson said the City
commission voted in opposition to a tower so it is no longer an
issue. However, the door was left open for reconsideration of a
. tower ,if it was proposed for a different location in Clearwater.
Mr. Wilson also explained that discussions were held regarding the
gazebo being proposed for the sand on Clearwater Beach.
. Originally, the gazebo was to be of an octagon shape comprised of
approximately 5,000 square feet. It was proposed to be located on
the sand, west of the Coastal construction Control Line and the
pier 60 Parking Lot. However, it appears that the State Department
of Environmental Protection will not approve the proj ect. Mr. GusS
. asked. why this approval might not be given. Mr. wilson said that
.he had seen in the correspondence that it will be considered a
"taking" and that there was strong concerns about its impact on sea
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turtles. Mr. Wilson explained that the city commission asked Btaff
to look at the possibility of a smaller gazebo being located on the
land side of the Coastal Construction Control Line, approximately
half way between pier 60 and the entrance to the pier 60 Parking
Lot. Mr. wilson showed this location on the aerial. Also,
Mr. Wilson said that a proposal to construct a new lifeguard
building was considered. He said the existing lifeguard building
would be torn down to make way for additional parking spaces. A
new lifeguard building might be constructed on stilts immediately
west of the existing ticket building for the pier 60 Parking Lot.
This way, the building would not block any more view of the gulf.
Mr. Wilson stated that these were considerations and that further
discussions would probably take place. Mr. Guss said he was
against the tower and was happy that the City commission was also
in opposition. He asked about a possible fund raising program that
he said commissioner Deegan referenced relative to an advisory
board. He said he didn't remember the Parks and Recreation Board
making any recommendations in this regard. Mr. Wilson stated that
he was not familiar with the subject and it possibly was a
different advisory board.
Mr. Harris said that if a tower is constructed in another part of
the city, it should contain a recreation center.
Mr. Kirbas informed Board members of two important acti vi ties
taking place on pier 60. First, he said that a special event,
"Sunsets At Pier 60" will be starting on March 2, two hours before
sunset and two hours after sunset. Events will be held Thursday
through Monday nights. He said these special events will consist
of talented people as well as arts and crafts. He said a grand
opening for "Sunsets At pier 60" will be held on Saturday, March
11. He also said that the newest Jolley Trolley will be on display
at this event. Mr. Weaver said that "Sunsets At pier 60" will be
similar to Mallory Square in Key West. Mr. Kirbas invited everyone
to attend.
Mr. Harris asked about the swimming pool located at pier 60.
Mr. wilson said the City commission had previously made a decision
to remove the buildings and swimming pool from the Pier 60 site.
He said the commission also directed staff to prepare professional
work and conceptual drawings for a similar pool to be constructed
at the Clearwater Beach Recreation Complex property. Mr. Wilson
said that a conceptual plan would be prepared and would be
discussed with the Commission during budget hearings.
90untryside Community Recreation Center - Mr. Weaver asked for a
status report regarding the new recreation center building to be
constructed at countryside Community Park. Mr. Kader gave a brief
schedule for the project and said that a courtesy review would be
held with the City'S Development Review Committee this Thursday.
He also said the site plan would go forward for review to the City
commission on April 20. He said the design team has a meeting
scheduled for Friday at the Salvation Army and has conducted
numerous meetings in the past. He said a primary item being
considered at this time is the type of flooring to be installed in
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the gymnasium. This could be wood, tile, carpet, etc. Mr. Kader
also reported that negotiations were ongoing with Florida Power
requesting that parking take place on the Florida Power easement,
immediately west of the park. Mr. Weaver said that it was good
that trees and berms have been installed and planted at the site so
that they will have time to grow prior to the building being
constructed. Mr. Guss asked if studies have been done regarding
the different types of flooring and their cost comparisons.
Mr. Kader responded that studies have been done and Mr. Guss asked
specifically about a flooring called "tartanl1. This is a hard
rubb~rized surface and is quite expensive. Mr. Kader responded
that they were looking at tile floors, carpet and wood and that
each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Mr. Wilson stated
that the primary objective is to find a floor that is serviceable,
that is within budget, and that will be appropriate for a large
variety of activities. Mr. Kader stated that results of a study on
the flooring would be made available to Board members.
Mr. Giordano asked about how many people would be needed to
supervise and work at the Countryside Center once it is completed.
Mr. Wilson responded that seven employees will be needed, including
a full time custodian. He said that three or three and one-half of
these people might come from existing staff members and that three
or three and one-half new positions might be requested. He said
two and one-half'of these positions might come from the Long Center
with an adjustment in programming at that facility.
Mr. Kader said that Florida Power looks very closely and is more
protective of their rights-of-way and easements. Their primary
concern with our parking lot is the asphalt roadway which will
require a permit from SWIFTMUD. He said Florida Power would have
no problems with our development if we were to use wood chips,
asphalt millings, etc., which are permeable surfaoes. Mr. Weaver
said he is a member of the design committee and one of their
concerns is the mobile home park located to the west and an oil
pipeline underground. He said they were concerned about dust being
created to adjacent residences.
clearwater Beach Recreation Center - Mr. Weaver asked Mr. Wilson
for a status report on the grand opening of the Clearwater Beach
Recreation Center. Mr. Wilson turned this report over to steve
Miller. Mr. Miller reported that over 400 people attended the
grand opening of the Clearwater Beach Recreation Center building on
February 11. He said the ceremony consisted of a ribbon cuttinq
and that it was most successful. He said that 103 people purchased
new recreation resident cards on that Saturday. He also said that
they have been averaging 145 people a day through the building and
that a Country Western Dance is reaching 45 people a program. He
said the game room is very busy with young people and said the
overall building has been most successful. Mr. Harris thanked
Mr. Kader and Mr. Miller for all of their hard work in getting the
building finished and completed in time for the grand opening.
Mr. Miller referred this appreciation on to his employees who he
said worked through the night to make sure everything was ready.
Mr. Weaver asked about the wood deck to be constructed behind the
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building. Mr. Kader" responded that permits are being sought from
the County and from the state. He said this takes time but it
appears that everything will be okayed. Mr. Harris asked about the
approximate size of the patio. Mr. Kader responded that it will go
to the end of the concrete and will be approximately 30 feet by 30
feet. Mr. Giordano asked about the hours of the center.
Mr. Miller responded that it will be open six days a week including
Saturdays. Mr. Giordano also stated that he heard some complaints
from residents, primarily regarding noise taking place during
construction activities. Mr. Wilson said that he also heard
complaints regarding noise during construction but that these
complaints should now cease since construction is finished. Also,
Mr. wilson said that there have been some complaints regarding
young people playing basketball late at night or in the early hours
of the morning. He said persons being disturbed by this activity
should call the police. Closing signs have or will be posted
closing the basketball court from 9 p.m. until 9 a.m. Mr. Kirbas
emphasized that the center should have an emphasis on programming
for youth.
Crest Lake Park - Mr. Weaver said the sidewalk along the west side
of the park is currently under construction. He said he is most
interested in this proj ect and that the sidewalk has been well
received by residents. He asked Mr. Wilson for a status report
regarding the restroom building. Mr. Kader responded that the
architects have proposed a preliminary drawing showing how the
existing restroom building could be renovated into individual
restroom units along with one room for maintenance equipment. He
said that this might be more preferable than relocating a new
restroom building at the south end of the park. He .stated that
residents who have. a vested interest in the project living across
the street, are concerned and would prefer that the restroom be
located at the south end. Mr. Wilson expressed a concern about
building a restroom at the south end, especially after he had been
informed by some police officers that we might encounter additional
problems. He said that if this is the case, he would hate to end
up closing a second restroom as was done with the first restroom.
Therefore, he also feels the best direction is to renovate the
existing restroom building into individual units and create a
maintenance area. Mr. Kader has performed a study of productive
hours showing that approximately 1,750 productive hours from roving
crews are spent maintaining Crest Lake Park each year. Since it
takes approximately 1,650 productive hours for a full time
employee, staff feels a full time employee could be assigned to the
park at no additional cost. Also, Mr. Wilson stated that by
assigning an employee specifically to the park, that employee has
more pride and you could affix responsibility. Further, the
employee stationed at the park would be available in the event
there are problems and the employee could open and close the
restroom building. Mr. Weaver responded that adjacent residents on
Glenwood Avenue appear to be in favor of renovating the existing
restroom if a commitment is made to place a full time employee in
the park to provide supervision. Mr. Kirbas asked Mr. Weaver if
adjacent residents would approve the existing location and
Mr. Weaver responded in the affirmative if an employee is assigned
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to the site. Considerable discussion took place and all seemed in
favor of assigninq an employee to the park since it ,,,ould not
require any additional funding.
ReSDonse To Board Members Inquiries - Mr. Wilson said that three
items were discussed at the last Board meeting. First, Mr. Harris
raised the question of whether or not a Board member could use a
proxy. Mr. Wilson stated that he checked with the Clerk's Office
and was advised that proxies are not allowed. However, if a Board
member cannot attend a meeting, he/she could present a written
position on a particular subject and forward it with a comember.
However, a proxy vote would not be possible. Second, in response
to a question raised by Mr. Stafford, Mr. Wilson stated that two
light poles exist at the playground at Kings Highway Recreation
. Center. However, he said that one of the lights on one of these
poles has been burnt out. The 400 watt lamp will be replaced by a
1,000 watt lamp giving more light to the area. Third, in response
to a question raised by Mr. GUss, Mr. Wilson stated that the City
property located at the corner of Seabreeze and Highland Avenue was
being used for construction storage equipment for a Ccunty project
rather than work actually taking place on the site. Therefore, the
site is not being developed.
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Mr. Weaver asked if Board members had any comments under new
business.
Mrs. Hobbs had no comment.
Mr. Kirbas said that he felt the McMullen Park Tennis Complex was
an outstanding recreation facility. However, he said the lighting
on the .west eight courts is not nearly as good as the lighting on
the eastern courts. Therefore, he felt play was not as good on the
dimly lit courts. He asked about the cost of installing a similar
, light system on the western courts. Mr. Wilson responded that the
system would probably cost around $85,000 to $100,000. If the
tournament court was also to be included, the cost might be a over
$100,000. Hr. Kirbas felt like this should be considered and asked
if it might be possible to increase tennis court fees from $3 in
order to pay for a lightinq system over a five year period.
Mr. Wilson stated that it might be time to review the fees since
they have not been adjusted for several years. However, he said a
fine line exists in increasing fees to a point where people will
play on the free courts rather than at McMullen. Residents at the
present time have a choice of playing at many municipal courts
throughout the city that are free but where times are not always
available for play. A person might be rushed off a court or might
not be able to get a court if it is in use. Also, etiquette is
different in that you might have youngsters on bicycles, etc. He
said McMullen Park, by having a court fee, allows people to reserve
a court and set a specific time which to play. He said this is
very popular with people who have busy schedules and can only play
at specific times. He said it might be appropriate to increase
fees and would report back on this program to the Board.
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Mrs. Hobbs said that people have actually stopped playing on the
western courts because of the lights being poor. She too felt that
play would increase if the lighting system was improved.
Mr. wilson reported that this could be formulated into a capital
improvement project request for consideration during the budget
review for 1995/96. He said the Capital Improvement Budget will be
prepared and Board members will have an opportunity to review and
to add and delete projects.
Mr. Cruise asked about projects at Jack Russell Stadium.
Mr. Wilson said that the handicapped seating is almost complete in
the concrete section and they will not resume in the aluminum.
sections until after spring Training. The parking lot is complete
and staff is looking at the possibility of installing an elevator
to make the second floor concourse accessible along with the
pressbox instead of renovating two ramps. He said bids came in
very high for the ramp renovation project and it might be cheaper
to do an elevator which would be a much superior way of satisfying
the ADA problem.
Mr. Guss mentioned that the basketball nets have been ripped off
the basketball goals at Valencia Park for some time. Mr. Wilson
reiterated the importance of maintaining basketball nets on
basketball courts 'and tennis nets on tennis courts in good
condition. He said he would look into the Valencia Park basketball
nets. Also, Mr. Guss asked about possible land purchases on Drew
street next to the Eddie C. Moore Complex and the North Clearwater
Nature Park. Mr. Wilson responded that the city recently purchased
over 30 acres next to the Eddie C. Moore Complex and it is
sufficient for a future softball complex if it should be needed.
However, he did not feel there was an existing need for additional
land between the Eddie C. Moore Complex and the elementary school.
He also said that the city is still interested in the four acres
containing the waterfalls at the nature park in north Clearwater.
However, because this site is owned by an out of state company, and
because it is located in the city limits of Safety Harbor, it is a
rather unusual project. However, he said staff is most interested
in the acquisition but there has been no further development at
this time.
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Mr. Guss also asked about the Long Center and whether or not there
was .promotion to use it as a training site for Olympic teams.
Mr. Wilson stated that Mr. Mark Abdo, Executive Director of the
Long Center, is actively pursuing such rentals. However,
Mr. wilson said that care must be expressed in an effort to secure
rentals while not impacting and reducing the time available in the
facility for existing city recreation programs such as competitive
swimming. However, he said the City applauds the efforts of the
Long Center to promote rentals.
Mr. Haggard had no comment.
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Mr. Harris complimented Art Kader and steve Miller on the
Cleanlater Beach Recreation complex. He also complimented the City
Commission on an outstanding decision to not construct a tower at
pier 60.
Mr. Stafford asked about the programming committee at Martin Luther
King Recreation Center. Mr. Miller responded that the committee is
in operation and that he will bring information back to the Board.
Mr. Kirbas said that a Mr. charles Howard might be interested in
serving on the committee and Mr. Miller responded that he would
contact Mr. Howard.
Mr. Giordano asked about the budget and when it would be going to
the city Commission for consideration. Mr. Kader responded that
this normally happens in April and May and the Parks and Recreation
Board will have an opportunity to review the Capital Budget before
sUbmitting. Mr. Wilson responded that no new employees could be
approved without City commission authorization through the. budget
process.
Mr. Wilson also informed members that the restrooms at the Martin
Luther King Recreation Center were in need of renovation. He said
that a project would be developed to gut the existing restrooms,
and renovate them .with new flooring, restroom partitions,
lavortories, commodes, etc. He said the building is in outstanding-
condition but that it is approximately 22 years old.
Mr. Weaver informed members that tents are becoming a problem at
Crest Lake Park but the police have been called to try to keep the
problem to a minimum.
Mr. Weaver informed members and the viewing public about a If Tree
: Giveaway Program" being conducted by the Parks and Recreation
. Department. Mr. Wilson responded that approximately 347 trees have
been requested at this point. The goal is to give away 500 trees
at this first session.
There being no further business before the Board, Mr. Weaver asked
for a motion to adjourn. Mr. Giordano moved that the meeting be
adjourned which was seconded by Mr. Stafford. The meeting
. adjourned at 8:10 p.m.
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