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COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
October 18, 1993
The City Commission, meeting as the Community Redevelopment Agency, met in
regular session at City Hall, Monday, October 18, 1993 at 9:18 A.M., with the following
members present:
Arthur X. Deegan, II
Rita Garvey
Richard Fitzgerald
Sue Berfield
Fred Thomas
Phil Henderson
Chairperson
Vice-Chairperson
Trustee
Trustee
Trustee
Ex-officio Trustee
Absent:
Lillian Trickel
Ex-officio Trustee
Also Present were:
Peter Gozza'
Michael J. Wright
Milton A. Galbraith, Jr.
Cynthia E. Goudeau
Executive Director
City Manager
Attorney
Acting Secretary
ITEM #2 - Minutes:
. , Trustee Barfield moved to approve the minutes of the October 4, 1993, meeting. The
. motion was duly seconded and carried unanimously.
, ITEM #3 - Unfinished. Business
a) ,CDC'Status
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, Director for the City.
In response to a question from Chairperson Deegan, Mr. Gozza indicated they were on
. schedule. .
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, the chairperson of the CRA should be an ex-officio member on the DDS.
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Trustee Thomas moved that the representatives of the CRA on the DDS be the
Chairperson and Vice~Chairperson of the CRA. The motion was duly seconded.
Vice~Chairperson Garvey expressed concerns that she felt the City's Mayor should be
an ex-officio member of the DDB.
Upon the vote being taken; Trustees Thomas, Barfield, Fitzgerald and Chairperson
Deegan voted "Aye", Vice~Chairperson Garvey voted ttNay". Motion carried.
b) A.A. Avlicino proposal/withdrawal
This proposal regarded use of Stepps building.
Mr. Gozza reported this request has been withdrawn.
c) Homeless Drop~ln Center - Stepps Building
Chairperson Deegan reported that the Homeless Task Force has had three meetings
and they are recommending use of the Stepps Building as a temporary winter Drop-In Center
for a maximum of two months depending on how cold the winter is. He stated this would
provide overnight shelter with St. Vincent DePaul providing soup and sandwiches. He stated
the Task Force is still working on a long range plan to address the homeless issue.
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Trustee Fitzgerald expressed concerns regarding the cost of the renovations being
$32,000 for two months use. He also expressed concerns that the CRA is trying to sell the
building or should the City need the property in conjunction with a police department, the
building '1iould be torn down.
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Vice-Chairperson Garvey questioned whether or not alot of monies had already been
spent by the Stepps organization to accommodate the dormitory in the facility.
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Chairperson Deegan reported there were minor repairs to be done and ADA
requirements to be met. Again concern was expressed that it was just two months.
Chairperson Deegan stated that the actual costs might be less as they may only use the
ground floor.
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Trustee Fitzgerald questioned whether or not there would be joint funding from other
communities and not just Clearwater.
Chairperson Deegan' indicated the Police Chief is recommending asking others but they
. have not, at this time, until they know what Clearwater is willing to do. He stated the Task
Force has been doing some fund raising and has $1,200 to fund utility bills in the facility.
There are representatives of the County, Largo and Dunedin on the Task Force.
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Trustee Fitzgerald expressed concerns that once investment is started in the facility, it
would become a permanent homeless Drop-In Center. He stated the purpos.e of that property
. is to market it or it may be used for parking in conjunction with the police department if the
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adjacent Barnett Bank is purchased for same. He questioned the need for air conditioning
during the months of January and February and he felt this is a significant amount of dollars
to be spending for a small amount of time. He also felt the facility should be located
e'sewhere.
Chairperson Deegan indicated other facilities have been looked at, however, they would
require more work than the Stepps building.
Trustee Berfield indicated that air conditioning and a handrail for the second floor
would not be needed if only the first floor is used.
Chairperson Deegan indicated their intentions are not to use the second floor at this
time. He stated the facility could house 50 people, however, the plan is to start with 30. He
stated if it was decided to make it a permanent facility, they would then need to renovate the
second floor. He indicated that Mr. Kelly, Building and Maintenance Supervisor for the City,
had been asked to look at the building as a whole and what was needed to bring it up to
standards.
Trustee Thomas stated he agreed the costs could be reduced, however, at the present
cost, it would equate to $178 per night per person and he would not want to approve funding
at that leve'. He stated he is waiting for the Task Force to come back with a long range
solution not just a short term one. He also indicated the City is in the midst of major rebirth in
downtown and there should not be a homeless shelter in the middle of that area. He felt
there was too little information to justify making this commitment.
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He stated, for the price, it would be possible to contract with some hotels and spend
less per person per night. He again stated he was waiting to see the final solution from the
Task Force. He indicated that the Orlando effort had been led by the private sector with
government participating. He stated that while he believed great things would come from the
Task Force, it was premature to make a $32,000 commitment.
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Vice-Chairperson Garvey stated that in the past when there were problems with cold
weather, churches have opened shelters. She agreed a long range solution was needed. She
questioned why the Commission was going to be as~ed to fund the program if the CRA owns
the building.
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Chairperson Deegan indicated this was a Clearwater program but the CRA owns the
building. they wish to use. He stated the Task Force has not finished their work as there are
questions still to be resolved. He felt they should stEfrt on a small scale. He said if the City of
Cleal'w~ter expands to the size of the Orlando program, 700 persons will be served at anyone
time.
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Trustee Berfield indicated she was confused regarding the air conditioner repair and
replacement. She questioned whether or not this was needed in order to provide heating
during cold weather.
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Chairperson Deegan emphasized again that Mr. Kelly was asked to review the entire
building to see what it would take to repair it on a permanent basis to meet code.
Trustee Berfield suggested that Mr. Kelly be asked to look at the first floor only for
temporary usage. She stated in Police Chief Klein's letter there was a different suggestion
regarding going to other cities for assistance.
Chairperson Deegan added that in addition to the cost for the building, there are other
costs, such as, personnel costs.
Vice-Chairperson Garvey expressed concerns that Clearwater will be assuming the
responsibilities for the homeless of Largo and Dunedin. Chairperson Deegan indicated that
these individuals would come from this area and stated someone has to start the process of
addressing this problem.
Trustee Fitzgerald questioned whether or not sites had been looked at outside of
Clearwater.
Trustee Thomas stated they still do not have a final recommendation on how to solve
the problem. He stated the problem has been around for many years and he wants a
proactive long term solution. He supports an Orlando plan of a public/private program. He did
, not feel it was appropriate to bring in the homeless from Dunedin and Largo when the City is
in the midst of trying to redevelop downtown Clearwater. He requested the Task Force
determine a long term solution. He said originally he thought they were looking at sites in the
Industrial Park, not in downtown Clearwater. He stated he was opposed to using the Stepps
. building for this purpose.
Trustee Berfield suggested this be taken back to the Task Force for more definitive
information and to come back with other suggestions. She also suggested the Task Force
work in conjunction with the churches. She stated the homeless do not belong to a particular
city.
Chairperson Deegan indicated that among the members of the Task Force, there are
representatives of the Pinenas Coalition for the Homeless and they are the ones that have
spear-headed the efforts in the past and are now asking for a more organized process for this
winter.
Vice-Chairperson .Garvey and Trustee Thomas stated they were looking for a long term
,solution. Trustee Fitzgerald stated he was not in favor of spending $32,000 for two months
of use and he felt that other sites other than Clearwater should be investigated.
ITEM' #5 - Executive Director Verbal Reoorts
Mr. Gozza indicated he would have his goals and objectives for the CRA's review at
the next meeting. He stated the Main Street Program will also be discussed at that meeting.
He reported he has met with the City Manager and others and the transition is going
smoothly.
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He stated the shared secretary with the DDB has been discussed and the costs and
recommendation have been provided. He stated as follow-up from the joint meeting with the
DDB, he has developed a letter to send out to new businesses and he has met with Judi
Hackett to look for a downtown site in which to locate his offices as wen as Ms. Hackett's.
Trustee Thomas stated one issue he wished Mr. Gozza to look at was the lack of
parking in the downtown area. He stated he has also asked the City Manager to look at this
issue. He indicated during the Sun Bank negotiations, there were statements made that there
is a 2,500 space shortfall. He requested the CRA direct the Executive Director to meet with
the City Manager to determine the correct amount of parking for the existing buildings and
what is the actual shortage of parking in downtown. He recommended a freeze for 60 days
on any new development until they ca!1 come up with a plan for parking.
Vice-Chairperson Garvey stated she would not support a freeze. Chairperson Deegan
indicated he would not either, but he felt the idea of determining what the real parking needs
are, might be worth looking into.
Mr. Gozza was directed to work with the City Manager and the zoning division to
determine the real parking needs for the downtown area.
Vice-Chairperson Garvey indicated a parki,ng study had been done sometime ago and
perhaps that should be used as reference. Chairperson Deegan stated it would be necessary
to update that report.
ITEM #6 - Other Trustee Business
Vice-Chairperson Garvey questioned whether or not Mr. Henderson, Chair of the DDB,
was ready to address the issue of DDB staffing. Mr. Henderson indicated the DDB is waiting
to see what can be worked out regarding space and that Judi Hackett has been hired as a
consultant.
Vice-Chairperson Garvey stated she felt one of the concerns was that the DDB is now
,being charged, for secretary time and she had been told they were hoping to be relieved of
. 'that for the next three months.
Mr. Henderson indicated that in the DDB meeting, there was discussion regarding
bringing to the,City Commission a request for waiver of those expenditures, however, he did
notfeel that was appropriate. He stated one of the issues discussed at the joint meeting was
the DDB paying for services provided by General Fund staff.
. Vice-Chairperson Garvey questioned whether or not the CRA could reimburse the City
for the DDB's expenses for three months. Mr. Gozza indicated that an actual bill had not been
sent to the DDB but had been discussed and that staff was keeping track of time.
Trustee Thomas questioned why the CRA would reimburse for the DDB. Trustee
Garvey indicated because the DDB was not notified in advance that it was going to be
charged. Trustee Thomas felt they had known about it and Trustee Garvey stated her only
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point is that if anyone picks up the cost for the DDS, it should be the eRA, not the City
Commission.
Trustee Thomas again emphasized the DDS knew they were going to be billed. He
stated the recommendation of Chairperson Deegan is that the DDS could come to the City
Commission if there was an undue hardship in paying these expenses and ask for relief. He
stated as a member of the City Commission, if the shock of the expenditures was so great, he
would support a 30 day issue if the DDS came before the City Commission and made that
request.
Chairperson Deegan asked Mr. Henderson if the DDS anticipated asking the CRA for
anything. Mr. Henderson indicated they would wait for the bill but he believed they would be
able to handle the expenditures. He stated that Vice-Chairperson Garvey is voicing what he
believes, and that is, the City should not pick up any of the cost. He felt if there was a
problem, the DDS would come to the CRA.
Trustee Thomas requested someone research the legality of the CRA picking up
expenses for the DOS. The City Attorney indicated it would depend for what expenses the
request was made.
Trustee Thomas stated there is a Clearwater ordinance governing the DDB and the
Chairperson of the eRA is being requested to review it and come back with recommended
changes.
Chairperson Deegan indicated he will be getting with Mr. Henderson, Chairperson of
the DDS, and with the City Attorney regarding this.
Mr. Henderson reported regarding parking at the County utility building. He stated the
church being exclusive users of the building will no longer be in effect and that the gates will
go up at 5:30 p.m. with free parking for anyone. He stated all the merchants have been told.
ITEM #7 - Adjournment:
The meeting adjourned at 10:07 A.M.
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