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PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD AGENDA
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Parks and Rec~eation Board Minutes of Monday, . November
1987
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Introduction of new Parks and Recreation Board Member,
Mr. Paul E. Andberg
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Reports
a. Crest Lake Park ~ Discussion regarding Crest Lake Park
and the Police Chief's recommendation .to close the
.men's: room for an indefinite period. (see attached
memorandum from Police Chief)
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PARKS AND RECREATIO~ BOARD MINUTES
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The regular meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board was held at the Parks and
Recreation Office at the City Hall Annex on Monday, January 25th, 1988, at 7:30 p.m.
Members present included Mr. Paul Andberg, Mrs. Paula Boulton, Mr. Murray Fuchs,
Mr. Herbert Hayes, Mrs. Betsy Hixon, Mr. John Shuttleworth and Mrs. Norma Soukup.
Co-Chairpersons Charles Wood and Elizabeth Armstrong had excused absences. Also
in attendance were Mr. Ream Wilson, Lt. Don Wicker and Mr. & Mrs. Dave Dohme.
Members asked that Mr. Fuchs serve as temporary chairman. Mr. Fuchs asked for
a motion regarding the Board minutes of Monday, November 23rd, 1987. Mrs. Boulton
moved that these minutes be approved as mailed. Mrs. Soukup seconded the motion
which passed. ,
Mr. Fuchs introduced new Parks Board member, Mr. Paul Andberg. All members
welcomed Mr. Andberg to the Board.
Mr. Fuchs turned the meeting over to Mr. Wilson for reports.
Crest Lake Park - Mr. Wilson explained that he had received a memorandum from
Police Chief Sid Klein wherein Chief Klein recommended that the men's room at Crest
Lake Park be closed for an indefinite period of time. The Chief's reason for this
recommendation was that increased policing of the park has had little impact on
solving the problem with homosexual activity. This memorandum was distributed to .
Board members prior to this meeting and the floor was open for discussion. Mr. Fuchs
asked if policing would still be present at night even if the men's restroom was
closed. Lt. Wicker stated that they would give the same level of police work to
the park even though the restroom was closed. Mr. Shuttleworth asked if Sgt. Kron-
schnabl could be assigned to the evening police work. Lt. Wicker responded that
Sgt. Kronschnabl had recently been transferred to the Detective Bureau and he didn't
feel that he could spend as much time at Crest Lake Park in addition to his other
duties. .
. The Board asked Lt.' Wicker if he would approach the Police Chief to see if
Sgt. Kronschnabl could supervise the police efforts at the park two or three times
a month since he has so much experience with this type activity. Lt. Wicker said
he would'do this. Mr. & Mrs.Dohme, residents of Glenwood Avenue, introduced a
petition with 108 signatures of people who use the park who were in favor of closing
the men's restroom for an indefinite period of time. She related to Board members
all kinds of problems that they have experienced with, homosexual activity. She,
said children are confronted with the activity in the restrooms and that homosexuals
are waiting in the park as early as 7:30 in the morning. In response to the memor-
andum from the Police Chief and an outline of recent police actions (attached to
these minutes) Lt. Wicker said that of all people arrested, none were repeaters.
Mr. Andberg stated that he had visited the park prior to this meeting and talked
to custodians who were on site cleaning the restrooms. He said the custodian re-
latedthat the restrooms get very heavy use by adults and children. Further,
Mr. Andberg asked Mrs. Dohme about the petition and asked if users of the park had
signed the petition. If so, he wondered if these users were alse in favor of clos-
ing the restrooms. Mrs. Dohme responded that this was the ca~e.
Mr. Hayes asked about the possibility of installing a TV monitor in the rest-
room. Lt. Wicker stated that this could be done but felt that it would not be
effective. Mr. Hayes felt that it was a shame to let a few people ruin a good
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service of the majority. He stated that he was against closing the restrooms but
that it might be done for a three month trial period.
Mr. Shuttleworth and Mr. & Mrs. Dohme stated that they had been tryil~ to get
the problem solved at Crest Lake Park for over four years. Mr. Wilson stated that
he had been reluctant to close the park or close the restrooms since the park is
currently one of the most active in the City. He felt police action through under- ,_ ,~
cover work would be the answer to discourage undesireable activity. Mr. Wilson
concurred with Mr. Hayes in respect to everyone suffering because of a few. However,
according to police reports, the problem continues to exist and is especially bad
for thoBe residents who live adj Dcent to the park. People who visit t'he park from
a further distance do not live with the problem on a 24 hour basis.
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Members continued to discuss the pros and cons of the Police Chief's recommen-
dation in detail. Following discussion, Mr. Andberg made a motion that the Parks
and Recreation Board recommend to the City Commission that the men's room at Crest
Lake Park be closed for a three month trial period. At the end of the three month
period, residents and Lt. Wicker would be invited back to a Board meeting to report
on activity during the three month period. Mrs. Boulton seconded this motion which
passed unanimously.
.Lt. Wicker stated that he would keep records of police activity during the
three months and provide a comparison of arrests and man hours. Mr. Wilson stated
that he would send the Board's recommendation to close the restroom for a three
month trial period to the City Manager and City Commission for comment. Addition-
ally, Mr. Shuttleworth and Mr. Wilson agreed that the men's restroom would be open
at times when special events are conducted at the park with supervision. Members
felt that by leaving the ladies' restroom open, ladies, girls and pre-school children
would have a restroom available.
Also regarding Crest Lake Park, Mr. Wilson advised members that he recently
had installed No Parking signs along the eastside of Glenwood Avenue which prohibit
parking between the hours of 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. The purpose of these signs is to
eliminate undesireable activity that occurs late at night and during early morning
hours within 40 or 50' from residences. Since installing these signs last week,
Mr. Wilson said he had one complaint from a resident on Glenwood Avenue who stated
that he had several cars and needed to park them on the park side of Glenwood.
Mr. Wilson.said he informed the resident that the automobiles could be parked on
the west side of Glenwood or in the resident's private driveway or yard. Mrs. Dohme
said that the signs have helped considerably and hoped that they would continue in
place. Mr. Shuttleworth said there were seventeen homes on Glenwood between Cleve-
land Street and Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. Of the seventeen homes, Mr. Shuttleworth reported
that thirteen were in favor of the signs, two objected to the signs and two homes
were vacant. The erection of these signs is a result of a petition received from
park users dated August 21st, 1987, and a letter sent to Mr. Shuttleworth by former
City Manager, Anthony Shoemaker. Mr. Wilson stated that his Department will shortly
be installing a temporary parking lot off Cleveland Street which will be lighted
for those who wish to use the park late at night. However, this lot will be a
considerably further distance away from residences than the present parking along
Glenwood Avenue.
Members appeared in favor the No Parking signs and reiterated that this
policy will be reviewed again at the end of the three month period in conjunction.,
with the restroom.
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Pa~k Purchase - Mr. Wilson advised Board members that the City had recently
purchased 2.3 acres of parkland on Betty.Lane, north of Sunset Point Road. He stated
that the chances are good to add to this parkland by way of a residential development
that will soon be developed in the area. Members were pleased with the purchase of
this parkland.
Chi Chi Rodriquez Golf Course - Mr. Wilson informed members that the Chi Chi
Rodriquez Foundation has requested that they be allowed to use the fifteen acre park
site for a portion of their golf course to be developed in Countryside, off McMullen
Booth Road. A site plan of the proposed golf course was shown to members and Mr.
Wilson stated that Bill Hayes, President of the Chi Chi Rodriquez Foundation, has
talked to residents on eac~ side of the fifteen acre park aite. Residents appear
to be in favor of the proposal and leasing the park property to the Foundation
appears to be legally sound since it will be used for public recreation. Mr. Wilson
stated that the golf course will not have membership fees, but rather greens fees.
The Board indicated that they were in favor of the proposal of the Chi Chi Rodriquez
Foundation being allowed to use the fifteen acre park site.
Other Reports - Mr. Wilson stated that the next meeting will be primarily
devoted to the Parks and Recreation Comprehensive Plan. Also, members were advised
of the City Commission's desire to consider naming a park after former Mayor Everett
Hogan. Mr. Wilson said that he would research park areas and discuss same with the
Board at the February meeting. Members were also advised that the Sailing Center
Committee had raised $13,000 toward the Sailing Center and were in hopes that their
donation could be added to impact fees already collected by the City to proceed
with the development of the first phase. Following the first phase, members of
the 'Sailing Center Committee feel that they could more easily raise money for the
second phase, $200,000 for the building. Mr. Wilson stated that he would be bring-
ing this matter to the attention of the City Commission in the near future. Further,
Mr. Wilson stated that he would arrange a tour of members to visit various park
areas after the February meeting. This tour has been requested by several Board
members.
Comments by Board Members -
Mrs. Hixon asked about new landscaping that had been placed in the Triangle
near the Carlouel Club. Mr. Wilson stated that this was done and that the new land-
scaping included primarily grass and palms. This landscaping makes the project
much' easier to maintain than the former shrubbery that existed on the site. Mrs.
Hixon also 'asked if something could be done with the street ends that provide access
to the Gulf of Mexico. Mr. Wilson responded that the Department is looking into
these street ends with the possibility of developing a consistent plan for each.
For example, a plan recently installed by Mr. Fred Thomas on one of the street ends
might be..looked at for other areas. The primary purpose would be to provide a de-
sign whereby residents would have easy access to the Gulf of Mexico but to make
the design such that it does not encourage partying on the right-of-way which would
be abusive to adjacent property owners.
Mrs. Boulton recommended that Board members be provided a trip to various parks
throughout the City and Mr. Wilson responded that a time would be set after the
. February meeting. Mr. Andberg asked about the Clearwater For Youth project and
about Coachman Ridge Park. Mr. Wilson explained that Coachman Ridge Park is cur-
rently being cleared and that a site'plan is being prepared to include two tennis
courts, a basketball C'r.,":;,,":: racquetball courts, pi,cnic area, playground equipment
and a pedestrian trail .n~ch will lead to the Clearwater For Youth development.
The Clearwater For Youth development will include a gymnasium, 50 meter indoor
swimming pool, etc.
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'Mrs. Soukup welcomed Mr. Andberg as a new Board member.
Mr. ' Shuttleworth stated that he was very impressed with the Eddie C. Moore
'Complex and new parking lot.
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that he, Mr. Fuchs, was
Board for two terms, a
his dedicated 'service and
attendance record and
'Mr. Fuchs welcomed Mr. Andberg to the Board and stated
attending his l~st meeting since he has now served on the
period of' six years. All members thanked Mr. Fuchs for
Mr.' Wilson stated that ,he especially appreciated his fine
contributions to the Board.
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