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Renovation efforts.
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PARKS AND .RECREAT.ION BOAtm MINUTES
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 1986
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The regular meeting of the Parka and Recreation Board was held at City Hall
Annex on Monday, September 22, 1986, at 7:30 p.m. Members present included
Mrs. Paula Boulton, Hr. Murray Fuchs, Mr. Herbert Hayes, Co-Chairperson Elizabeth
McMahon, Mr. Dorr Snoyenbos, and Mrs. Jacquelyn Tobin. Mr. Mark Leguc, Mrs. Lois
Martin Bnd Co-Chairperson Charles Wood were unable to attend. Mr. Ream Wilson
was also in attendance.
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Mr. Snoyenbos was asked to serve as temporary Chairman to begin the meeting.
In Bsking for discussion regarding the Board minutes of July 28, 1986, Mr. Fuchs
made a motion that the minutes be approved as mailed. ~Jrs. Tobin seconded the
motion which. passed.
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Mr. Snoyenbos asked Mr. Wilson to give the following reports.
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Soule Road Propert~ - Members were shown an aerial of the park
property that was recently purchased on Soule Road adjacent to
the Boy Scout Camp. Mr. Wilson explained that three acres were
purchased by the City at $40,000.00 per acre and that'two acres
. with a: Florida Power easement were donated to the City by Mr.
Bill Stevens. This donation will satisfy land dedication that
would be required from a new development to be constructed by Mr.
Stevens and it exceeds that which would otherwise be required.
Referring to the aerial, Mr. Wilson explained that the City now
owns this. five-acre park property in addition.to other properties
located .at the southwest corner of Lake Chautauqua. The only
missing link between these properties is a parcel approximately
3.ll.acres in size which is a part of Boy Scout Camp Reed. Mr.
Wilson explained that the Boy Scouts are entertaining the sale ,
of Camp Reed and that Mr. Stevens might be submitting a contract
'for this purchase. He further explained that he and Betty Haeseker
(Assistant City Manager) had met with Mr. Grant Wallen, Executive
Director of the Day Scouts, to express City staff interest in
acquiring the 3.11 acres of Camp Reed which abuts the south end of
Lake Chautauqua. Impact monies received from within the area
could be used toward this purchase and it would assure City owner-
ship of the majority of property around the south ,shore of the
Lake. ~~. Wilson stated that he had discussed this matter with
Mr. Shoemaker, City Manager, and he agreed that our interest
should be expressed to the Boy Scouts. Further, whether acquisi-
tion might be a part of the overall purchase in cooperation with
Mr. Stevens or whether the City would negotiate a purchase price
for the three acres directly with the Boy Scouts, the main objective
would,be to secure the best price possible. Members asked various
questions and considerable discussion ensued. Although a formal
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motion was not made. the general consensus of members present was
in support of the purchase. t-fr. Fuchs informed members that he
had recently attended and arts nnd crafts show at the Boy Scouts
Camp Soule and that the property is extremely beautiful and
impressive. l-fr. Wilson stated that he would keep members apprised
of this matter.
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1~86/87 Budgets - Hr. Wilson informed members that the two budget
hearings have been held by the City Commission and that the opera-
ting and capital budgets originally reviewed by Board members
passed with no changes. Mr. Fuchs had some questions regarding
capitol projects and Mr. Wilson stated that some of those listed
aa priorities by the Board were approved while others were not
because of insufficient funding. However. he informed Board
members that the Commission approved $90,000.00 of Community
Redevelopment Agency monies which will be used for the renovation
of Coachman Park.
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Request for Name of Park - Copies of a letter from Ms. Susan Rose
(President of the Girls Clubs of Pinellas County) were sent to
Board members prior to this meeting. Specifically. Ms. Rose asked
.the Mayor and City Commissioners to consider naming the new park
property on Soule Road in honor of Hrs. Anita Bilgore. Considerable
discussion ensued and Mr. Fuchs reminded members that a similar
request to name the Edgewater Orive property after an individual did
not receive a favorable recommendation from the Board. Mr. Wilson
read the criteria listed in Resolution No. 80-82 which serves as
the City Commission's policy and procedure in the naming of future
City parks. One criterion is that the Parks and Recreation Board
will be allowed to evaluate and make a final recommendation to the
City Commission for names. In considering the criteria in this
Resolutiont Mr. Fuchs made a motion that the Parks and Recreation
.Board recommend denial of the request of Ms. Rose to name the park
after Anita Bilgore. In accord with Criterion (F) of the Resolution.
Mr. Fuchs.felt that the majority of parks.~hould be named after
geographic features, locations, streets, etc. Because of the new
park site being a small parcel and an eventual part of a larger .combi-
nation of. sites, and in consideration that the site is located near
well known features such as Lake Chautauqua and Soule Road. he felt
that it might best be named in the future after one of these
geographical features. Mrs. McMahon seconded the motion which passed
unanimously. Mr. Wilson stated that he would inform Ms. Rose of the
Board's recommendation for denial and that she would have the option
of pursuing her request with the City Commission. However. in the
event the request does go forward. Mr. Wilson stated that it would do
so. with the Board's recommendation for denial. Although members did
not question Mrs. Bilgore'a contributions to the community, they feel
that this particular site would best be named after Soule ~oad or
Lake 'Chautauqua which would better identify its 10ca~~on.
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Coachman Park - 1>lr. Wilson informed members that the City Commission
had recently approved $90.000.00 of Community Redevelopment Agency
funds for the renovation of Coachman Park. He stated that work is
scheduled to begin after the Jazz Holiday concerts and nfter a "Don't
Drive Drunk" concert to be held the last Sunday in October. Renova-
tion will include the removal of all existing grass und weeds UB
well as the narrow sidewalk which is in poor condition in many
locations. The irrigation system will be renovated and brick paver
sidewalks of six feet width nnd new grassing will be accomplished.
Members expressed appt'eciation and approval of this project in that
the site is on the waterfront and of great importance to the City.
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Other Reports - Mr. Wilson distributed copies of a letter he had
received from member Mark Legue regarding the use of community
service workers from the Salvation Army to pick up litter in City
parks. Mr. Wilson explained the program and the Department's use
of such volunteers in the past. The prime emphasis of Mr. tegue's
.letter related to the removal of litter from within parks and
Mr. Wilson stated that Crest Lake Park could be the first site to
be considered. Specifically, since Crest Lake is so heavily ~sed
on Saturdays and Sundays, substantial litter remains in the Park
on Mondays. He has contacted the Personnel Department of the City
who in turn will contact the Salvation Army to see if Crest Lake
Park could be a standing project for community service workers on
Mondays. If BO. it could save the City approximately three man hours
each Monday in just removing debris. Mr. Wilson informed members
that the City currently has a community service worker that volun-
teers at Moccasin Lake Park on Sundays. He is a carpenter by trade
and has been helpful in constructing animal exhibits. Further,
other items in ~r. Legue's letter were discussed. Specifically, a
trash can was removed from the Lake and a rusty metal pole will be
removed within the next few days. Further, attention will be given
to' playground apparatus located north of the restroom building and
to .sidewalks around the Park.
While discussing Crest'Lake Park. Mr. Wilson informed members that
he had received phone calls from adjacent property owners informing
him that' major problems are occurring in the Park each night by an
undesirable element. A couple of residents asked that the Park be
posted for closing at 11:00 p.m. If so, they felt the police could
remove anyone from the Park. after that hour. Hr. Wilson stated that
he originally agreed with this request but, after giving it some
thought, he informed the residents that every avenue should be
explored to correct the problems before giving consideration to the
posting ofa closing time. If posted, Mr. Wilson felt that persons
using the Park after 11:00 p.m. for walks and jogging would be penal-
ized because of undesirable acts committed by a minority. Although
he stated that he does not question the sincere concerns of nearby
residents, he suggested that a coordinated effort between the Police
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and Parks and Recreation Departments be explored. If sufficient
pottee manpower. is available, he expressed that the majority of
problems might be solved by the enforcement of ordinances. Mr.
Fuchs reconunended against u. closing time in that he felt we would
be closing the whole eity down to young people during evening hours.
Hr. Hayes concurred with this feeling and also expressed opposition
,to a closing time. Other members agreed and felt thnf n meeting
between the Parka and Recreation Department and the Police Department
with the concerned residents was the best way to approach the situa-
tion. Mr. Wilson stated that a meeting has been set for October 9
with the residents and that he would convey their concerns back to
the Board. If needed, a formal recommendation would be made by the
. Board at their next meeting to the City Commission.
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Mrs. Boulton said that she had made her comments during the meeting
and.that s~e had no further comments.
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Mr. Hayes stated that he was opposed to the posting of a closing
time at Crest Lake Park.
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Mr. Fuchs, informed members that he had attended an arts and crafts
. show'~t the Boy Scouts Camp Soule and that he was most impressed
with the beautiful piece or property. Further, he said that he
would.be opposed to.a closing time at Crest Lake Park and felt the
situation would best be addressed with a joint meeting of the Parks
and Recreation Department,'the Police Department and the residents.
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Ms. McMahon said that she was happy to be back at Board meetings after
. an extended period of hospital confinement. She expressed disappoint-
ment in the. fact that "Sparkling Clearwat'er Day" will not be held this
October.
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All Board members welcomed 1>1s. McMahon back to the meetings and expressed
their pleasure at her speedy recovery.
, there being no further business before the Board, the meeting adjourned at
9:10, p.m..
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