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1. ~ecognition of Guests
2. Report: Assistant City Manager Jeff Butler
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3. Request -Development recreation facilities - Island Estates -
Mr. Valery
4. Recommendation requested by City Commission - Request Mr. Zeisler
Beer sal~s at J. R. Stadium
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5. Citizen Petition - Request sale of beer - Glen Oaks Golf Courae
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.6t Discussion-Proposed Ordinance - Prohibit motorized vehicles
in'City parks
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Citizen Comments - include Miniature Golf presen~ation - Mr. Arend
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Minutes - Meeting Month of March
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'9.. Report - Appointment Mr. Robert Stiff - Rep~aces Mr. Al Price
~lO.' . Discu~sion - Proposed Softball Complex Sites
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Glen Oaks - March and April
Mid Year Budget
Attendance - March and April
Woodgate Park
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Proposed Golf Course
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Board Member Comments
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CJTY OF CLEARWATER
PAR K S ^ N D HE C REA T ION 11 0 ^ H D ~l E E 1'1 N G
NAY 23, 197 7
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The re8u~ar monthly meeting of the Parks and R~crealion
Board was held at the department offices, 10 S. Missouri Avenue
on Monday, May 23, 1977, at 7:30 P.M. Present were Nr. Dick
Prokes~ Chairman, Mr. Bill Justlce~ Mr. Hcnry McWhorter, Mrs.
Melvin Taube, Mrs. Edwin Grencllc, and Mrs. Le~nre Hole. Also
present were Mr. Eddie C. Moore, Mr. Rcnm Wilson, Assistant
City Manager Jeff Butler, and guests Mr. Chuck Albury, Mr.
Earl Zeisler~ Mrs. Virginia Zeisler, Mr. J. A. Parmelee, Mr.
E. A. Arend, Mr. Albert Valery, and Miss Inky Mulders.
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Chairman Dick Prokes welcomed guests to the meeting.
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Assistant City Manager Jeff Butler was introduced and
reported on the proposed General Obligation Bond referendum
sched.uled July 12, 1977. Nr. Butler stated a meeting is sche-
duled at City Hall on May 31 to discuss the General Obligation
Bond Program. At that time volunteers w{ll be solicited to
explain the program to the general public. At this meeting a
_-~report will also' be made with regard to progress of the 1970
General Obligation' Bond Program.
Mr. Butler expl~ined the General Obligation Bond referen-
dum would be divided into several phases. One of the facets
will include acquisition of park properties, including active
(or athletic) and passive which would include environmentally
endangered land. A sum of $1,500,000 is being included for
parks acquisition. Two pieces of property have been recommended,
one including the Kamensky Tract and a second for a neighborhood
park in the East Sunset Point Road area. The remainder of funds
will be allocated for purchase of other areas. One of these areas
. .is 'located near Moccasin Lake Park and a second near other City
o"wned p,ropert)'. Also, purchase of acreage in the Spring Lake
area is desired for ecological purposes. This property~ located
. .off Keeri~ Rtiad, which is being cdnsidered, approximates 40 acres.
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Mr. Butler stated the City Commission desires acquisition
of properties through the General Obligation Bond referendum
in~tead of development of properties occasioned by the present
adv~rse economic situation. He pointed out'acquisition of open
space is necessary in order for the City to obtain near standards
for 1 acre of open space for each'IOO residents.
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Mr~ Butler indicated the acquisition of parks properties
would cost approximately $3.86 tax per homeowner annually based
'on a $.30,000 home for 25 years at 6% interest. Also, he indi-
cated that 1.29 mills ad valorem taxes annually would fund the
total G~neral Obligation Bond Program for the City. Mrs. Taube
inquired if the Spring Lake properties were 1n the Clearwater
service area. Mr. Butler indicated the Planning Department has
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d e t c r m j net h El t t h :I s pro r I~ r t y i sin the C i l Y H (! r v J c c n r en.
Mr. Albert Valery requested the Pnrks and Recreation Board
consider ohtaining recr(!otion facilities at Ialand Estates or
utilizing existing property now belonging to the Catholic Church
on an Dnnual lense basis. He stated property at Island Estates
would cost Crom $200.000 to $~OO,OOO for recreation facilities
and doubts that properties Arc available at this lime. He sug-
gested a lease with the Cntholic Church. for utiliz:ing approxi-
mately one-third of their property for recreation activities
for a short term lease, possibly 10 '~cars or probably longer.
Further, he indicated active recreation would not effect resi-
dential areas on Island Estates. Mr. Valery requests a letter
be dir~cted to Monsignor Larkin to determine what the City might
do with regard to placing recreation activities on church owned
. property and if a lease in this respect might be arranged.
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Mr. .Earl Zeisler requested approval of sale of beer at Jack
Russell Stadium during Bomber and Philadelphia Phillics games.
He cited children at Bomber games represents 16% of attendance,
and at Phillie games an attendance of 19% and Rowdies games at
35%. Mr. Zeisler indicated there should be no problem obtaining
a license for sale of alcoholic beverages at the Stadium and
'stated Mr. Ruly Carpenter. of the Phillies. Police Chief Frank
Daniels. and Jack Russell found no problems in sale of beer at
the Stadium. Mr. Zeisler stated sale of beer would increase
attendance and add considerable income to the Bombers and the
City. Mr. Moore stated he had sent a memorandum to the City
Hanager.'s Office explaining his personal opinion when it appea.r-
ed the matter would be discussed by the City Commission prior
to the meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board. Mr. Moore
said he found no value in sale of beer at Jack Russell Stadium
and approval of this request would undoubtedly lead to requests
that other f~cilities be included in the sale of beer. After
discussion~ members of the Parks and Recreation Board disapproved
the request for beer at Jack Russell Stadium by a vote of 4 to 1,
with 1 abstention.
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Mr. M~ore reported he received a petition this date from
. City Hall signed by 80 golf participants at Glen Oaks requesting
'sale of beer at the Glen Oaks golf clubhouse. In discussing
,this request, .the Board emph~sized that participants at Glen Oaks
golf course are primarily adult, and sale of beer woul'd be in an
atmosphere'more social than athletic. .Also, the Board indicated
that since the total operation of the golf course is under direc-
.tion of the City, and sale of beer would operate within 'this same
control. After di,scussion, motion by l-Ir. Hdlhorter, second by
Mrs. Taub~, '~hat the Park~ and Recreation Board approve sale of
beer at.Glen Oaks golf clubhouse. Motion carried 5 to 1.
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Mr. E. A. Arend and Mr. J. A. Parmelee requested approval
of a program by Family Open Sales Corporation for construction
of a miniature type golf course on City owned property at
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Clcnrw3tcr ficach. The property represents 0 sma]] area located
immediRtely north of the double pnrking lot off Gulfview BOII]C-
vRrd. Fnmi.ly Open Sales :is to provide. a mlnfrtture golf COII'l'Re.
for the City of St. Petersburg At the St. Petersburg Bench. The
company would expend approximately $25,000 for construction of
the course, including benutification and upon completion would
maintain the area. A lease would be drawn to provide income to
the City. Mr. Parmelee indicotes a sum of approximately $10,000
could be obtained by the City in its first year. Mr. Parmelee
presented plnns for construction of the Family Open CO\Jr$C on
this City owned pl'opcrty. After discussion, ,motion by Mr.
McWhorter, second by Mr. Justice, that the project be recommended
for acceptance and referred to the C:lty Manager's Office for
further discussion. Motion carried.
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Mr. Moore reported the C:ity has requested Board review of
Ordinnnce U1676 for the City of Cle3L~3ter pertaining to stopping,
standing, and parking~ of Chapter 22, Traffic, or the Code of
Ordinances of the City of Clearwater, Florida, 1962~ Section 22-
116. After discussion, the Board suggested the first paragraph
.denling with this article be amended to read as follows:
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No unauthorized person shall operate.' drive, propel or
park any motorcycle, automobile, or any other motorized
vehicle or horse drawn vehicle within any public park or
public ~rea of Clearwater, Florida, except in areas desig-
nated for parking or on improved roadways constructed in
the areas.
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Minutes of the meeting for the month of March were approved
as received by Board members.
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M~. Moore reported Hr. Robert Stiff is a new appointee to
'the Parks and Recreation Board replacing Mr. Al Price.' Mr.
Stiff is unable to attend this meeting due to a former commit-
ment to teach,a class on this same date. In the future, he will
make attempts to change the meeting date of the class in order
to attend Parks and Recreation Board meetings.
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Hr. 'Prokes reviewed new procedures of the City Commission
with regard to appointment of Board members who will now serve a
maximum of two terms of three. years each. Mr. Moore reported
Mr. Stavros was unable to att~nd the present meeting due to a
speaking engagement at a banquet, and Mr. Gilmore was unable to
attend this meeting due to attendance at a banquet with his son.
After discussion, motion by Mr. Justice, seconded by Mrs. Taube,
that members. absent from this meeting be excused due to previous
commitments. Motion carried. JIlrs. Taube ,reported she will be
:absent from the city and state in June and requested she be
excused at that time. After discussion, the Board approved ab-
sence of Mrs. Taube in June as requested. Said meeting to be
.designated as the annual meeting.
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. . Mr. Moore reported on suggestions for sites for a softball
.6omplex. Mr. Kamensky states a church group and a Canadian group
are seeking purchase of his property, although he desires that
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his fllm!ly sell to the C1.ty of Clenr\\'ntcr. He indicates action
will be needed in the ncar future. but he \..-ill ncccpt a mini.mum
down payment through July 15, which is the week nfter the General
Obligation Bond referendum. Further, Nr. }{Ilmcnsky is w:f.l1ing
to discuss the sale of property with City officinls. Mr. Moore
rend a letter from Mr. Daniel Bnndcs addressed to Commissioner
Darwin Frank and delegated to tlle City Rtnff for consideration.
Nr. Bnndcs' property is the former Allen Tract of 20 acres lo-
cated immediately north of the ~nmcnsky property. Mr. Bandes
indicates his own property would be lessened in value if the City
acquired the 20 acre Kamcnsky tract which is for sale at $360tOOOt
but the Bandes Tract of similar acrenge would he available for
$ 3 00 tOO 0 . Aft c r d i s c u s s ion t the 'B 0 a r din d i. cat e d t h 1] t the Par k s
and Recreation Board has been making an effort to purchase the
entire tract of 40 acres for the past few ycars and lack of funds
for this purchase has delayed acquisition. After further dis-
cU6sion~ motion by Mr. McWhortert second by Mrs. Taubet that
the Kamensky property is more valuable for our purposest although
'we would like to obtain both pieces of property for a total of
40 acres. Motion carried. Although Mr. Bandes reported his
property would be damaged by construction of a softball complex
adjacent to his property, the Board was advised the 9.2 acres
contiguous to Frank Tack Park and offered to the City a few
mnnths ago is n6w being subdivided and single family residences
placed on this property. Also, the other contiguous property
east of Frank Tack Park provided $40,000 to the City for develop-
ment of this park in lieu of contributing 4 acres of property
due to that annexation. Further, Parks and Recreation Board
recommends that the City obtain property in the Sunset Point
Road. approximating Coachman Road for recreation activities. In
discussing properties for a possible softball complex construc-
tion, the Board considered the 38 acre tract at Drew Street and
McMullen Road.and indicated this property would be placed as a
't h i ~ d 'p r i 0 r i t Y b e h in d the K a men' sky and. Ban des pro par tic s .
The Board received reports on the mid-year budget, Glen Oaks
.for March and April, attendance reports for March and April.
Also, the Board was advised development continues at Woodgate
Park with the tennis courts, multipurpose court, and baseball
diamond. Also, the paving of sidewalk along Moorehaven Drive.
'installation of sod, and landscaping this drive has been
completed.
Mrs. Grenelle suggested we inquire of the Parks Division
with reference to installation of a bench at the old City Hall
". site on S. Ft. Harrison.
There being n6 further businesst the meeting was adjourned.
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The 'following is an exerpt from a memorandum sent to Assistant
City Manager M. J. Paroby (rom Mr. Moore concerning the sale of
beer at Glen Oaks golf course.
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"l deemed it necessary to check on the legality of sale of alcoholic
beverages at Glen Oaks und rind Chapter 4 of the Code of Ordiriances. c
of the City of ClearwAter relates to this matter. Under. Section 4-17. ':,\
of this Chaptc,r uLicensi.ng Vendors Near School or Church" Item 2 .":,',
in d i cat est h e d i s tan c e may not bel e s s t h an 500 fee t fro man est a b 1 ish ;';:.;:
ed school from the shortest point of the public thoroughfare main . .
entrance, of the business to the nearest point of the school grounds
in use as part of the school facilities. I' checked with our Engineer-
ing Department .and learned these indicated points on 'city and school
p ~ 0 per tie s are s Ii g h t I y Ie s s t h a n 200 fee t. Th e d i s tan c e s bet wee n .',
the Glen'Oaks .clubhouse entrance and the school buildings approxi- ~
.mate 500 fee~. Item ,3 of this Section permits a variance of 10%,
by the City Manager~ but this allowance is insufficient under ~ :
.pr~~en~ Ordinance. .
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,Although it appears the request for sale
'illegai under the 'p~csent Ordinance. our
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of beer at Glen Oaks is
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