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07/09/1981 .~ - ".2' OFFICIAL .,T':,:~< " A ') . .>',\, \ ,. , . II. , .' ;) i . (~,' .' I /~ (I I i '. I e't .'\' I ,\) 'I.' \ '." , \'~~ ',' ,rt .""~\ .H~r, '; ~J'\. ":J.' .. j, .:".' \ \ ' c'l \ \l" , / i\ , . City of Clear~atcr, Florida Resource Developmer.~ Committee Mooting July 9, 1981 MEMBERS PRESENT / Elizabeth s. Haeseker - Assistant City Manager, Chairman p,aul Rettig - Utilities Director c. M. Henderson, Jr. - Assistant Public Works Director Williae'Tripp - Assistant Building Director /~ Oon Meerians, Assistant Director, Traffic Engineering · /' ,:,-,," , ~pauJa..Harvey - Planner II George Buhmeyer - Fire Marshall Chris Cowles - Land Resources Specialist, Environmental Management I ,Karen Wilson - Water Resources Specialist, Environmental Management John Peddy - Energy Officer Ream Wilson - Parks and Recreation Director " .. . "'0" ,. '.. . . r." :J--" !, j' , ' . .; ~ : ~ '. ,}./'.: , $! ;'. I''''', I.... t;': ~:.' . , , , j." :ti",.. :~: f" . ;~(:\.'. ." ~);::';i:' '....:. :,'.' ( OTHERS PRESENT Michael E. Burton . Galen Hofmann William E. Ackerman . Walter A. W. .Jetter CUrtis J. Deyoung John K. Tabor Sandy Lloveras Clint Stevens Torn Chestnut Bill Blackburn Bill Gilkey M Planter Corp. Waitz & Frye, ,Engineers - Environmental Science & Engineering r Inc. (Tampa). Environmental Science & Engineering, Inc. !~ampa) - Deyoung & Associates, Inc. John K. Tabor & Associates - Lloveras, Baur & Stevens Llover~s, Baur & Stevens Blackburn Land Oev. Co. Blackburn Lan,d Dev. Co. Richards, NOdine, Gilkey, Fite, Meyer & Thompson ~ The meeting was called to order by the Chairman at 10:08 a.m. in the Assistant <:i ty Manager"" s conference room in city Hall Anne~. MINUTES of'June 25, 1981 - On Page 9 one of the statements was deleted. Chair- man stated that the correcting of the minutes would be continued at a later time.in the meeting. ITEM #1 Road Turnkey Project; Akel. Logan. Shafer; located at 1303 Sunset Point . COHMUNITY IMPACT STA'rEHENT 'I Paul Rettig: Questioned if this property had been annexed into the City and was informed it had been. On Page 4 it states that there is a non-dedicated road right-oE-way that is cOI~nly referred to as the Betty Lane Extension. 'rherefore, Mr. Rettig said he will need an easement. c. M. Henderson, Jr.: Submitted written and verbal comments. No agreement has been reached on sewer service. Until this is cared for, the project cannot be approved. Also, stated that changes in the drainage retention are required. Mr.. Henderson suggested that.the developer contact Bob Maran and John Rooks in the.Eng~neering Division to discuss ~;is point. - 1 - . '. ~ '--) .... "...-.., i.'; .. ~I "' .~ .~ . " ." . r~:~':U:DC" ' ."11. . ~<~ ;~~ ":', "', ".' , , 1r;:..'" , , .~o. ~ Bill Tripp: No comment. ~ Don Haerianst No comment. PAula Harvey: On paqe 13 it states that PCTA docs not have bus service along Sunset Point Road. Since this is'being built for low income families, it is felt that bus service close to the project would be justified, and that a formal request to PCTA should be made. Also" on Page 18 it states the only special provisions for the handicapped are in the ba throorns and that no other special provisions will be ~de. It is suggested that the latter part of this state- ment ("no other special provisions will be made") be eliminated from the C.I.S., C or clarify it further. Handicapped parking spaces will be required. A letter of compliance is also needed which 'states that the project would be developed in accordance with the terms and provisions of the C.I.S. Geor51e Buhmeyer: No comment. Chris Cowles: No cotttment. !!Q!!: Exhibit B, which was received by each R.D.C. member, was received in error. John Pedd~: On Page 18 of the C.I.g. there is no energy conservation statement and this is totally unacceptable. Ream Wilson: ~e parkland dedication monies should have been received by the '1 City July 6 or 7, 19B1. However, as of this date, they have not been received. The oonsu1t~t will apprise the' developer regarding this overdue money~ MOTION: Cecil Henderson IIDved for the continuation of the c.r.s. until the concerns of sanitary sewers to this p~oject have been resolved. Paula Harvey seconded the motion, , AMENDMENTS: Paula Harvey amended the motion to include that the Planning Department needs a letter of compliance. Ream Wilson included a second arne~dment to the motion that cash in ,lieu of parkian~ dedication must be remitted to the City of Clearwater before any documents to the project are approved. George Buhmeyer seconded the amencUnents to the moticn. DISCUSSION: John vote to disapprove 'to the effect that by the developer. on only one parcel Peddy stated he wanted to alert the developer that he will recommendation until something is included in the.C.I.S. all cost effective energy conservation measures will be taken lUso; Paul Rettig wanted it understood that they are voting of the land: that is, the two', northern most parts, The Chainnan called for a vote on the amendments to the motion. 'The ~endments carried unanimously. The amended ,motion was then voted on and carried. I' - 2 - tIDe 7-9-61 '. , ~ .. l'. 4 " .~.I ~. "."a,".: ~ ~ A PRELIMINARY SITE pI.J\N Paul Rettig: The water main should be extended south and tied in. . Cecil Henderson: Suggested that the developer reaa the written comments from the Engineering Division, specifically where it mentions that detention area 11 is in an awkward position to the contour of the land. He prefers to have the detention areas where the water is' going. Mr. Henderson again suggested that they contact Bob Maran and John F.ooks in Engineering to discuss these written comments. William Triep: Sidewalks are required on all right-of-ways which join the .....) property. They m.ust run completely around both streets. : .: :...-:--\ . . ..J .. " ::. ----\ /,I:c'\J t.., L t.,c' ,c". Paul Rettig: Further requested that there be an casement for the 8" water line on Betty Lane and also an easement from this project through to Pineland Drive so it can be tied in. When the water meters are set, they should be placed as close as possible to the mains. Don Meerians: Requested clarification on property line inasmuch as it shows the property line running along the right-of-way on Sunset Point Road but on the front sheet shows it foilowing. the creek. Typical parking spaces are shown.to be 10 feet wide but in reality they scale out to about 6 feet. Paula Harvey: Stated that a detailed plan was needed in order to have it certified. The following should be included or deleted on the plan~ ~ 1. Calculate the net area of the project. To define density on the project, o~t any required right-af-way and also theaccess dri ve from the gross land area to determine the net acreage. This is the amount on which d~nsi ty is figured. Height of the buildings. Sidewalks alo,ng Betty Lane and on Sunset Point Road, if this is included as part of the property. Give some indication on how much the building coverage is on the property, as well as the lot coverage. If pineland Drive abuts the property, tHis needs to be shown on the plan. Legal description. An indication of the zoning. OWner's name_ Show the width of the drives and the width of the curb cuts on Betty Lane. The words "not a part" need to be deleted from the plan inasmuch as the Planning Department feels this is a part of the plan. Even though there may not be anything developed on this property, it lends itself to'possible development at a later date, which the Planning Department would not favor. For clarification purposes, Mrs. Harvey questioned the necessity of the fence along the creek, and was advised it is necessary for safety. The fence should be shown on the plan if it is going to be installed. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. George BUhmeyer: Because both access roads come off Betty Lane, two addi- tional hydrants will be needed on the site. Also, reiterated Paul Rettig's statement regarding the en water line tying in further south on Betty Lane. n;J. ~~;:"~ :: " . ," J~.l \ I f ., . 1:~~:..;,.:.~>,...\ .:' "i': ,'. " '. - 3 - ROC 7-9-81 . .4 . ... .... ,,', ~:W:~.' ,', \1'.; I ~l'<' H \ . . ;, 'c' <; l ;~ l~ ~~\ <,' ,;"i',',~,';/<:'" "I " "~<l', i' " ." ," , ' \, . . 1 II .' ~ ......' fl' .... 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Also, recorrt='.';!ndcd that the detention area that is off site be relocated to the northwest corner of the site, similar to detention area *2. The proposed inlets in the roadway on Betty Lane should be moved on site instead of having to pullout and t.hen back 'in to the detention area and then into Stevenson Creek. A tree survey was not submitt.ed and it is absolutely necessary tha t one be forthcoming. John Peddy: Reconunended that on the site plan in the development of the working drawings the outdoor lighting be of the high intensity type, preferably a high pressure sodium. .j ,"f, c: ~ Ream Wilson: No comment. MOTION: John Peddy Iroved to continue consideration of the site plan until the applicant gets the information to the Planning Department. Seconded by Ream Wilson and carried un~nimously: :~Y1, ',,' ITEM #2 - R. ft. Woodley Subdivision, Replat of Lot a, Pinellas Groves Section 12-29S~15E, located at the SE corner of Hercules and Palmetto. ." ..:\ I' : ~ ' . , ~:.~~. ';,{ J ,1,'; ,t ,1,:, ," PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT Paul Rettig: No comment. Cecil Henderson: No comment. Wilfiam Trip~: No conunent. 'c.~ ; ,I' !: I: 1 , Don Meerians: No comment. .......... Paula Harvey: Questioned Whether. the 30 foot right-of-way shown on the south side of the property would be vacated. Don Mee~ians sta.ted that he could see no reason why the City would not vacate it. If it is vacated, Paul Rettig said he would need. an easement for water. The Planning Department would peed_,. eta see a=cess' easements for abutting' owners. utilized,;~s the major point' Qf:"f'ctess , ;';~"'>";',r~""~"''';:" .. to the individual parcels ?" .,........",..1 . George BUhmeyer: No comment. ; I'. "f I L. r l' , ' .', ',. ?I ; j, ' Chris Cowles: No comments for water quality. However, reminded the ,applicant that a permit for clearing 'and grubbing will be needed. Also, a tree survey must be submitted. The developer said this would be forthcoming. John Peddy: No conunent. I. I' i' .. I !c i ". Ream Wilson: No comment. MOTION: Cecil Henderson ~ved to approve the Preliminary Subdivision Plat of the R. H. Woodley Subdivision. Seconded by John Peddy and carried unanimously. ,I. ",:. "" I" <:t,;- ..: ' ;:.~~ - 4 - ROC '1-9-81 .~'II' ~t~t;. ~ ~ ITEM "3 - Tract L, Northwood Estates, Northwood Wegt (A Florida General Partnership), located north of Enterprise P~ad and west of Northwood Tract F and Landmark Drive. ,-,,: - . COMMUNITY IMPACT STAT~ Karen Wilson, arrived at 11:10 a.m. Paul Rettig~ No comments. Cecil Henderson: Mr. Henderson submitted written comments. He also stated there are probl~ with the drainage as proposed and these will need to be resolved before they can proceed with the plan. William Tripp: No comments. Don Meerians: No comments. c/ Pau.lll.-Harvey: Stated they had done a very good job. Othe~ise no comments. Geor~e Buhmeyer: No comm.en ts . Chris Cowles: Regarding Dr. Mathews I report on 'vegetation, his comments were too broad and they do not mention protection. Also, on pages 23 and 24 the statement is made that the smaller cypress at the east end may be removed. Mr~ Cowles stated that they will not be removed inasmuch as the cypress are still alive and, therefore; will be used with some type of retention system. /""'\ Karen Wilson: The water quality statement on page 32,regarding 'the on site '::. .J retention pond collecting most of the silt and clay size particles t is erroneous. . " Wet ponds in residential areas generally" do not work to improve water quality 'as residents do not like aquatic vegetation in or around their .property and discourage its growth. .There are very few, if any, detention ponds in the City that are size sufficient to cause settling out of the partiCles. There is a similar statement on page 33 and ~~e same comment as above stands; that is, marsh vegetation will not be allowed to grow tgere under typical situations. 'John peddy: On page 17 i~ states that "A natural gas system is not proposed for . this project. II It is the recommendation of the Energy Office that the option of gas be 9i ven future purchas ers . He felt it might be appropriate for the developer to let the builder know that gas could be available. thus not only passing on a cost saving to a buyer but also saving on electrical energy. Ream Wilson: No comments. , MOTION: Cecil Henderson moved to approve the Community Impact Statement with ,the stipulation that the Natural Enviro~~ental section be revised to correctly show the necessary information as required by the Environmental Section of the City of the Public Works Department~ Secondad by William Tripp and carried 'unanilrously. - 5 - ROC 7-9-81 " ,j .. . ~ "-"1 I, '< "'.\ ,',', , ~ PRELIMINARY SUBOIVISION PI.AT ~ Paul Rettig: In the northeast corner (between Lots 132 and 13.3) he recommended a 2" tap be used in lieu of the 6" one shown. ~ :" I . . Cecil Henderson: Before this plan can proceed, the drainage problems need to be resolved. Mr. Henderson's written comments were previously' submitted. In addition, he stated there is a natural retention area located at the southeast corner ot the tract where there is a potential for an overflow into the exist- ing storm sewer system that might prove to be beneficial. , \ ',' ' ;;~,~ ;,.~~ '." ...,' Paul Rettig: Pointed out a potential problem regarding the 20" raw water line that goes through the back of the lots. How would the City be able to take care of that water main and prevent the home owners from building fences, etc. over it? The developer will look into the matter. William Tripp: Sidewalks shall be in accordance with City requirements. "~,(I. , t. ~'" " i,...' :~~~~ i: ,c: ".,:1.: n .,~~. ~;~:~ Don Meerians I No comments. :r;\' ,~~ : ' Paula Harvey: The developer will need to submit a fence plan for the double fron~~ots along s.~. seo and Enterprise Road. There is an indfcation of a 10' right-of-way easement along S.R. 580. Planning suggests that there be an additional 10' dedication. They will go along with whatever Traffic Engineering suggests. It is necessary to show on the plans that there will be sidewalks along S.R. S80 and Enterprise RDad. Also, before the plan can be approved it is necessary that a letter of compliance be submitted to the Planning Department saying ~at ~e plat would be developed in accordance with the Community Impact Statement. G V"""" ~, .. .~;:{~ ,l ,~ .~.J .~,.' .' ~ ' ~::) ~~. ~~ ./,~ , J ~ George' Buhmeyer: No comments. l~;' ~ .~~ . Karen Wilson: Water Quality - The proposed detention area shown in the north- east corner of the property should be designed to be a dry and sodded area according to City. specifications. Chris Cowles: A proposed buffer tanal has been pl~ced in the southeast corner of the natural retention area. This should not be located within the cypress area. Mr. Cowles said they can work this out in the field. ;'}: " I~" :~;: G)~ .t' ;:( ., :'~;: /~: . ; His second item of interest concerns the natural retention area on the west side of the site that leacs' into the City park around the two out- falls for drainage between Lots 54 anc 55 and Lots 47 and 48. Since these out- falls would fall below ground level in this natural retention area, he under- stands a ditch or underground pipe would be' necessary to reach the adjacent lots. :f ': Mr; Cowles also has the same concern as the Utilities Department regarding a raw water line on the eastern boundary of the natural retention area. When this section is finally approved, he would like a requirement that no fences or other structures be placed in that easement because that }<w'Ould prevent access by City, State, or emergency vehicles. . '<; c.' ,..-.., ~ .. ..........".,1 John Peddy: Requested that when the street lighting is laid out that they go to the high intensity or sodiwn light. '.; ~ , I . :~ ~I . ,. ( ;, {:'.J .c ~""~' : - 6 - RDC 7/9/81 ~ ........ ! 'J ~ I' ,.t. Ream Wilson: His only concern was also mentioned by Chris Cowles, namely, the outfalls which lead in to the pa.rk 51 te on the west side of the property. " Oon Meerians: Mentioned that the normal installation on street lights is wood 'poles, and if the developer wants concrete poles, there is an additional charge 'of $75.00 per pole. Also, many times it is confusing to the public "'hen street names are changed from one side to another. Therefore, a double installation is needed. Ream Wilson: Commented that he is concerned about the fencing along the City park. MOTION: It was moved by Cecil Henderson to continue consideration of this Preliminary Plat until the next meeting (July 23, 19B1) to permit the Committee to resolve the drainage concerns, the water line easement and the access along the natural retention area to the west. Seconded by Paula Harvey and carried WlaniJrOusly. MOTION: It was further trOved' by Cecil Henderson that a special meeting be held on Thursday, July 16, 19B1, at 10:00 a.m., providing the developer is able to comply with the concerns of the Committee by that date. Seconded by John Peddy and carried unanilrOusly.' ITEM #4 - Druid Sauare Professional Office Complex, Dynamic Industries, located on the south side of Druid Road just east of Ft. Harrison. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN r.---"'~ ~,," (.:..) ~: ' Paul Rettig: The plan shows two meters. If it is owned by one,person and rented out, then a master meter may be installed. However, if it is a separate ,'business and occupant has an outside entrance, tnen he must have his own water meter _ A 5/8" meter is a lI1i.nimmn and a 2 II line is the minimum if it is plastic. Several could be served. from this 2" line. The plumbing is installed, but the meter is put in when there is an occupant. A water 1llain easement is needed up to 809 including all the meters. The Ordinance must be followed. ,: ;., ,:..J, )'1,. " , I," ::" ,', The developer \o1ill have to spot a location for a cjarbage dmnpster and this location must be approved by the Sanitation Superintendent. :~ . . I , :,i: . . Cecil Henderson: A statement was made by the applicant that they' are planni,ng to pay in'lieu of retention. This is a low site and is adjacent to an area that floods. At the present time, there is no place for t1le water to go or any way to get it there. Conseq~ently, it will be required for retention to be placed o~ this site. william Tripe: The sidewalk will have to be extended along the east property line. .Don Meerians~ The accesses should be 10' true radius and not just a flare. ':" ,c'.'",\ ,\,:...J 'c "'1. . >.':' ~ \1" r/' . , ' - 7 - ROC 7/9/81 I ': ,~. cl< ' 'J" . ,,\:,,~ ,c,j . c I.....' ....:. r, 'J ~1 .-- ~ /: ,(: " .. , t\;:2) I", . kir. ?i1...:. '; " . t(<~;'>:',', , ~~I:l~:.~ ~ '~L' . . 1''' ' ~~~~'L' '~ ~ I .t::}~':,!:~ ',~i ;~~~.:. ~:. ,., r-.. , is shown, . ~ A.lLula Harvey s Zoning of the whole sf te plan Stww3 i-t. an' MI., but it is actually CG,PS and ML. It was GUqges~ed that the developer ~kc the request to have the entire tract rezoned to PS. Tne~e should be a 51 strip between oruid Road and,the parking areA. ~\is has been provided for on the site plan but it is not identified specifically as to the depth. This needs to be indicated. There is too long of A continuous row 1n the parking spaces. There needs to be breaks in these spaces. Mrs. Harvey questioned if the railroad right-of-way had been purchased and was informed that it had been. ~ra6 Buhmeyer~ ~refers that the fire hydrant shown back on site on the island between the parking spaces be set closer to the drive area so it is not hidden ~etween the cars. He also requested that in the future, when they show the water lines along the streets adjacent to the sites, they indicate where the existing hydrants are. , Chris Cowles: Xt appears that the site is overdeveloped because of a large amount ofasphal t paving and a small amount of green space. He is in favor of on' site retention and turf block. Approximately nine (9) spaces may have to be , taken out for interior landscaping requirement. John Peddy:, No comment. Ream ,Wilson: No comment. MOTION~ Cecil Henderson moved for continuance of this item. Seconded by 'William Tripp and carried unanimously. MINUTES:' The minutes of June 25, 1981, were approved as aInended. , . ' The roeeting adjourned at 12:25 p.m. '. " ,ROC: deb " I, r c,) ", " , " II a - ROC 7/9/81 ":1" : ,c ,,'