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RESOURCE DEVELO!'MENT CO~,.~tTTEE
December 16, 1980 "
City of Clearwater, Flor~dB
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Elizabeth S. Haeseker, Assistant City ~m18ger, Chaiman
David Healey, Planninp. Director
Cecil, Henderson, Assistant Public Works Director
Paul Fettig, Utilities Director
~am Wilson, Parks end Recreation Director
. George Buhrr.eyer, Fire ~arshal
". . t ,ROy. ;'''J'res, Building Inspection Director
flo~ike CBmpbell, Land Resources Specialist/
:Mike Kenton, Assistant Public Works Director, Representative
Don' Meerians, Assistant Trntfic Engineer
lAEJ.'BERS ABREr.T
. ..Tohn Peddy, Enernr Officer
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Cordon Hackvorth, P.E., Hack~orth En~ineerin~
PankaJ Shah, Cumbey & Fair, Inc.
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Hovard C. Batt, Atterney
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The meetjnF. vas called to order by Chairmen HAeseker at 10:10 A.~. in the
A~sistent City Yenae-erts Conference RC'or" in the city Hall Inr.E"X.
~.U nutes of' ~DC ~fE>et:! nJ!' -!:ove~ber 13. 1~8o
A rrotion was m~de by Paul ~etti~ t~ a~prove the minutes of the ~cvereber 13, 1980.
meetin~, Reconced by Poy Arres. A h~~d count on the ~oticn ~hC'wed four in
favor of arproval, four aFainst. The Chaj~an voted ageir.st the ~oticn to
approve. the ~inutes because not all re~artrr.ents hed read the ~inutes. ~ir.utes
to be continued at next meetin~.
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. . J.:inutes' of :!DC ~~eeting - November 211 , 1980
:Pa.ul F.ettig moved to c:ontinue the minutes of the Hovelr.ber 24, 191:0 meeting
.~orthe $~e re~cns as above. Cecil P.e~nerson seccndec the ~otion. MOtien
,carried ur.ar.i~euslj.
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Cecil Henderson - Questioned hov Mr. Hackworth ceme up with the estimates
for improvements. Mr. Hackworth statee that the contract vas bidded out'
and that they hod a firm contract on the building. Mr. Henderson reQuested
that a copy of the bid be submitted to support the cost information.
David Heale~ - ~~nted to know if the lnnd cost 1s bnscd on aeouisition durinr
the calender year.
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George Buhmeyer - No comments on cost infcrmati~n.
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MOTION: Cecil Henderson moved to accept the letter from the Gulf'Cnast Bank
regardine the cost of land and improvements, and to recommend to the City
Manager that a Community Impact Ftatement vould not be necessary for this'
project.
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Motion seconded by Mike Campbell end carried unanimously.
PflELJ:.'INAP.Y SITE PLAn
Cecil. Henderson - Presented end discussed ~Tjtten c~~ments. ~oted that storm
. vater retention is r.ot addressed on the plan and viII have to ce ~urmitted.
Yr. Hackworth responded that drainaee hes been Rpproved by th~ Cit~ Fr.~:neerir.f
~epartment. ~e details can be found on the ~econd sheet of the ~relimine~l
Site Plan'.
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~ave ~e!'ley - !:oted that site plan sho....s Recess fr~m two streets \lith f=ubstendsrd
ribhts-of~vey. At least one street must be brought up to standard~ G~uld
Street be!n~ the ~ost likely because Brownell ftreet is ~cre or an alley then
a street'. Site plan needs to identify ",'hetter developer is ,-oin'" t(l ecdreS's
on-site retenticn so that it can be determined if it i~ acequate.
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Uike C~nbell - Xo tree' survey vas submitted. He notes that the devel~per
vill re~ove all existing trees from the site. Will want to discuss this vith
the develooer vhen construction reaches the tree permit state.
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Don :.!eerisns - Asked it side\;a1k vas exi stin€, on the property. Mr. i:ack.....orth
aeknovledeed that it vas.
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Geor,e Bur~eyer - No comments.
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Poy ^lres - Noted that the site plan sho~s more har.dicapped spaces than are
required. both spaces are to be marked, Qnd developer should check ~ith Bi~
in~pector as to location. Need tor sidewalks on all rights-ot vay adjacent
to the property on the site plan to be shovn. With!n the bank building,
vould like developer to consider lockable electrical switch gear on the penels.
Chai~en Haeseker - Stated that City code would require sidewalks to be put
~n it none exist. ~~. Hackworth to contact the En~ineerinr Department for
slleciflcations.
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Paul Rettig - Water could be metered from either Gould or Brolmell Streets.
Garbage pick-up is available. Natural ~as is not Adjacent to the property.
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'?eem ~ilson - No corrments.
DISCUSfION - Yer.:bers of. the Corr.mittee we.nted ccmfi::-ml',tion trom u::'. rack-worth
that two trees, one 24ft in c.!8r.1eter and one e" in dioreeter would be saved.
1~. Hackworth assured the committee that there would be no problem.
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~~TION: David Healey moved to a~prove the preliminary site ~lRn subject to
the installation of side~a1ks as required by the bui1dln~ code nlon~ the
dedicated streets, ar.~ subject to the deve10rer ~orklne with the City Forester
to save as many trees as can reasonably be 'saved on the site. Votion
seconded by Foy Ayre~.
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David Eealey proposed an arnenc.ment to the ~otion to nrovide for the adjustment
of the site plen to indicate the dedication of 15' additione1 ri~ht-of-~ny
both on Erovnell and Gcu1d ~treet~, and the corres~ondin. adjust~ent o~ tr.e
parkinf and drive systems. The amendment was seconded by Feul Pettie.
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There was considerable discussion between Roy Ayres, David Kealey nnd the
developer regsrding the possibility of the site plan beinr- p.d~usted ~ithcut
causing any significant changes thereby causine. the developer to co~e bpck
before the Cowmittee. ~e Ccrnmittee ~~reed it could be sn adjuste~. ~r.
Healey requested the cevelorer redra~ the site ~len identifyine ~onir.u,
nurnberof ,required parkinf" spaces, number of 'Parkin~ spaces beiop provided.
~r. Hackwor~ stated that all this information vas available on sheet f2 of
the site plan.
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~e ~ction end amendcer.t pessec unani~ous1y.
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Cecil Her.derscn - Fresented and discus~ed ~ritter. co~ments ~renp.red ~y
Cit7 En~ineer, J. w. P~oks. "ou19\be ~illinr to approve the Cc~unity JnrRct
~tatp.~ent and ~ossibly the enti~e project. but ~ould not 8r~rove ~ny c~nstruc-
ticn plans until the sanitary se~er syste~ issue.is resolved. '
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David Healey - Noted the follovin~ areas of inaccuracy:
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Project reflects medium density h~using rRther then hiph ~er.sity.
Use of the vord easement should be struck.
Under traffic - medium density should average 7 1/2 trips ner
dey per unit.
Under air quality - complete ftatement of disclosure with respect
to the proximity of the airp~rt to this project should be included.
r~ike Kenton (Feplaced Mike Cam~bell for the reat of the meeting)
No tree survey accompanying the CIS as reqUired by the Co~mjssion.
Unacceptable as given, cells for the re~oval of the majority of trees.
Cannot assess the impact on environment without the tree survey, and can't
support the project without the above inforrention. No problem with water
quality or noise level.
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Paul ?ettig - Asked that developer look at shp..11o\/ wells before using pcte.ble
water. No tural gas is adJ acent to the property.
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~OTION: David Healey moved that consideration o~ the Ccrnmunity Imvnct ~tBtement
be continued to 1. Allow the ep~1icant to address the editorial co~ents th~t
~ere 'made. 2. Address the tree survey and impact of re~oval or ve~etatior..
3. Address'in greater detail the sewer provisions And their acceptability to
the City. 4. Include the provision for on-site retention.'."
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Motion vas seconded by George Euhmeyer. A~ter some discussion it ves decided
that there is a definite need to resolve hew developer is going to har.dle the
sanitery sewer problem before continuing consideration at' the CIS. r.:ation
c'a...--Tied uneni.''Ilously.
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Ceci2 P.epde~~cn - Continued reading the written car.~er.ts prepared by ~.~~. Pocks,
Ci ty EnF"ineer.
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David P.ealey - Paised the rollovin~ areas of concern:
1. needs to, see something that represents the lOr: recreation e.rep..
re~uired by ~Pt require~ents.
2. Wants to see building heights.
3. ~eph~ase numbers. ::I. ~nd S. ,,:plWordinr.' the number of units.
4. ,Leave a greater~setb~c~ bcit~~en outdoor living area and right-af-way
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Dces Ccr.mittee want to reserve
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and drives in m.r corner not -~arkab le.
the 30' ri~ht-ar-wp~ ea~e~ent cr. southerly
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Hike Kenton - "rants to be sure developer doesn't remove nny trees
unnecessarily. If P?ssible, retention arens need to be Bubdrnined.
Pon 11.eer1ans - ~everal po.rkinr: spnces don't seeM to be- Inrt!e ~nou€,h to ellow
a driver to back out easily.
Geor~e Buhmeyer - The placement of tvo required fire hydrants must be chan~ed.
Marked the proper placement on the site plen for developer.
. Bo,y Ayres,- Stated that the platting process must be completed before permits
can be issued. Did not like the use of the term tovnhouses, felt they are
actually condominiums. questioned it' streets are to be private. ("':ner
~esponded that that they vere to be private.
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Paul Rettig - pequested that the developer plan to tie into the existin~ 12'
vater main on Hercules. Would like developer to consult sanitation sUDervisor
for best placement of garbage dumpsters. lJatural gas is available to ovner
i~ he needs it. An easement vill be required over the main ~or access by
maintenance men.
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Peam Wilson -" No corements on site rlan.
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Geor~e BUhmeyer - Wanted to add to Paul Fettig's statement about the vater
mains. If the developer plans to tie-in to the vater ~a1n on P.ercules, that
'is acceptable, but they must also come up with an alternate means of tie-in.
~bTION: Devid Healey moved to continue the site rlan to corres~ond with the
continuation of the Community ImpRct Statement, and to ello~ the anplicent to
address the various concerns that have been raised.
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~'otion vas seconded by ~ike Kenton. There vas seme discussion betveen
David Healey, Don Meeriens, and Chairman Haeseker in which it was a~r~ed that
the Committee needs to resolve the question of the road and its right-or-way
easement, also vhether it is the City's objective to construct a road East
o~ Hercules in the right-or-vay easement. ~otion vas cerried unanimously.
ITEM 113 - COIlTn:UATION OF SITE PLAlr CHA.JI{GE F0R LlFETHlE VACATI""~S
ReDresentetive - HOlo,rard C. Batt. Attorne:,
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D~vid HeIde;r - ~!oted that the last title the site 1:'1 an change for Li1'etil"'e
Vacaticr.s vas before the committee, the request vas to amend the site Flan
so as to adjust the number of units en the basis th~t they ere mctel units,
and theret'cre entitled to a censity of 1 1/2 times the other~ise rerm!tted
density. ~e pri~arJ chanGes vere to reduce the building heicht, to divide
single units into tvo units, and to resolve so~e ~roblecs ~ith retenticn.
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In ~r. P.ealey's discussion uith the City Attorney, it ~es his jud~ent that
these lIould r:.ot be entitled to be counted as motel units, and therefore wC'uld
ce li~itec to that number o! units rel~itted as residential d,",elli~g unit~
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1. Tbe description or \.that they ore by the applicn.nt.
2. The State law governln~ time-sharine facilities.
3. The City definition of th~ zoning re~lations.
Mr. Healey stated that the adJustments to the site plan are largely acceptable.
He ~ould. however, preter there be only one driveway on Gulf View Boulevard.
Parkinp, was acceptable.
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Mr. Eovard Batt - P.esponded to ~~. Henley's statement by reading frcm the
State law defining motels, and felt that bnsed on ~tate 1a\.l, can't see hew
Lifetime Vacations is anything but a motel.
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Chairman Haeseker - The Board is not ca~able of discussinrr legal definitions.
Apologized for not informing Mr. Eatt of the City Attorney's orinian earlier.
Thinks that the iGsue is 3oroeth!ng that needs to be discussed betveen the
attorneys, \lith possibly some input from the 'Plfo'nning !'e-partn-ent. A~ a whole,
the issue seems to be whether Lifetime Vacations is a motel or a condcminium.
Mike Kenton - Read Karen Wilson's note that the retention pond needs to be
. . dra.ined dry in tventy-f'our hours, and not under the bcard\.'alk. '!'his c ondi t ion
seems tc have been met.
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Don Meerians - No comments.
?'0Y' Ayres - Prefers to reserve specific co:unents until it is deten:tined
~hether the project is a motel or a condominium. He did note that t~e re~uired
number of handicapped spaces must be provided, such number beinr. ~epen~ent
upon whether it is a reotel or a condornini~.
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Geor~ Euhmeyer - If these are ~otel units, the ruling is that ~otels or
hotels three or more stories hi~h must be standpi~ed. Height of a buildin~
is based on grade level up.
Paul Retti~ - Noted that sizing of water mains is directly dependent uror.
the number of units in each buildinr. The use of gas is fine. ~psters
are not ideally located.
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provisions also auuear to be ade~uate. If ccnstruction plans are already
p.pproxed, fine. If not, would like developer to 10c~ further at the number
of cocnecticns made along Beyvay Drive.
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~OTICU: David Healey moved that the request for major site ~!an ~end~ent
be denied consistent with the inter~retatior. of the City Attorney th~t they
are not notel units, and th~~ref("l~~ de not comply with the densitr ret!u~ rements
of the Zonin~ Ordinance.
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num"uer or units. the other issues have been adequately resolved, vith poss1'bl~..
,the exception ot the location ot the dumpsters, and the interconnection of
drivevoys. It density end the number and type of units CM be resolved, the
site plan could be ,approved. .
. '!he motion carried unanimously.
There being no further business before the Committee, Chairman Haeseker
adjourned' the meeting at 12:00 P.M.
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