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11/24/1980 '.......... ~ Members Present: HINUTES . RESOURCE DEVELOPt-1ENT COH1>tITTEE City of Clearwater, Florida November 24. 1980 APPROVED Elizabeth S. Haeseker, Assistant City Manager David Healey. Planning Director Ream Wilson, Parks and Recreation Director George Huhmeyer, Fire Marshal Don Meerians. Assistant Traffic Engineer John Peddy, Energy Officer Joseph Mandy, Assistant Utilities Director Roy Ayres, Building Director Cecil Henderson, Assistant Public Works Director Mike Kenton, Assistant Public Horks Director (Environmental Hanagement) Karen Wilson. Water Resources Specialist ' II II " J/ ,./ ,/ ..../ Others Present: John Rooks, Civil Engineer, Public Works I Art Kader, Assistant Director. Parks and Recreation t... Claude Howell I Utilities Department Tony de Soto, Jr., Antonio de Soto Jr., A.I.A. Joe Rodriguez. Antonio de Soto Jr., A.I.A. Elli M. A. Mills, The Mills Development Group of Florida, Inc. Pankaj Shah, Cumbey & Fair, Inc. ,_~o RUBS, Trimm/Clark A.E.P., Inc. , ,;rank Morris, Harbour Towne Condominiums, Phase II -C.A. Peterson, Inc., Engineers William Kenneally, Treco, Inc. Frank Bosworth, Frank Bosworth Architecture Sandy Lloveras, Lloveras, Haur & Stevens ,', Clint Stevens, II II " ,. Tonuny Chestnut, Rep. William G. Blackburn Bill Gilkey, Attorney Stan Nastir, L & M Home Builders The meeting was called to order by Chairman Haeseker at 10:10 a.m. There were no Minutes available from the previous meeting of November 13. The Chairman distributed copies of the pinellas County Ordinance for Roadside stands for review of the Committee. Members were requested to provide. comments to City Attorney, Tom Dustin, as to how they would like that particular type of activity taken care of by the City. There was some discussion of the problems which occur with roadside stands. ITEM #1 - Dan's Island on Sand East side of Gulf Boulevard on t<les t and M.A. Mills, COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT _Roy.,Ayres - Advised the developers that in Item 4 they needed a statemen~ that the State , :~ ~lnergy Code requirements will be met. Also, he advised that a statement to the effect that " ~ll requirements for handicapped and elderly facilities will be met. He would not require , ", an addendum, but if for other reasons an addendum was required, he would like those changes included. -1- J ,',if';", ,.',: ":",' ",,: "( " ,';, ,:, 'I!:,~ 1..,,1 '., I,t/~, J,\ '.",\<L:~"'\' '~l ".\ . ".. .. r '.; 'I" ."1""':"'" l,'.,~":~:, ':\;":"";"~I "':,~,L';,..:',:(:.-f';::~~~'.':~;~l,~'::":,~;' ",.:'~':;~t: 'l , , , ' '.:: 'Qt'ti . . " . ~i< : 'T '" , ':. ~: ': l ' ., t') ~, ...- Dave ncole~ - Discussed tl, Marke t Analysis requirements a. changes needed in the C. r.S. Under Sect1.on "k" on Grchi tecture, some mention should be made that Gulf Boulevard is 0 scenic corridor. He stated that there should be a statement with respect to the Bcale aod proportion of the building--some graphic treatment of the relationship of the building to the roadwaYt particularly the southernmost buildingt noting that while it meets the setback requirment of 20 ft. it will hove a dramatic visual impact. With respect to the scenic corridor designationt are the utilities to be underground? What about the lines that are there now? Mr. Shah replied that the utilities would be allan the West side of Gulf Blvd. as an extension of the present system. All utilities would be underground. Mr. Healey said that one of the objectives of the scenic corridor is to get power and telephone lines underground. Mr. de Soto stated that if the Power company allowed it, their in- tention was to put these lines underground. <~ .'-'.1 Mr. de Soto responded to Mr. Healey's comments about the aesthetic impact of their southern- most building toward the road, noting it was true that they had a small setback to the road, however by virtue of the configuration of floor plana in the building where they have tried to achieve a situation where every unit ia a corner unit, they had created an aesthetic variety which is unusual from other types of project8 in the area. There was some further discussion. Mr. Healey said that the Committee needed to make note of projected traffic problems in the area given the cumulative impact of not only this project but others that are there or have been approved for construction. The Planning Department had estimated that there arc 700 to 800 units on Sand Key and another 900 units approved or to be approved, more than is already there. The existing traffic capacity of Gulf Blvd. is estimated to be approximately 12tOOO vehicles per daYt 6,000 in each direction. While the existing volume noted is approximately 7,300 vehicles per day, the already approved number of units is going to put us over the estimated practical capacity of that two-lane road system. Mr. Healey went on to say that they needed to make this known to the Commission and that part of the problem was that Gulf Boulevard ia an arterial roadway as well as a local road system with direct access to all the reJidences along there. He said that they should recommend to the Commission one of three things; I) they don't approve the projectt 2) they approve it only at such time as the City can improve the road to a workable standard, or 3) that they revise the Capital Improvement Plan and amend the Transportation Plan to move forward the scheduled improvement of Gulf Blvd. in such a manner that there is a reasonable expectation that improvments will be on line or in place as these units are built and occupied. John Rooks Sanitary is served by the Marshall Street service area and is adequate. He distributed Engineering Dept. comments, attached as Item #1. Karen wilson - Wanted to point out that the cumulative impact of all the little developments on the Bay is great, and not insignificant, and that she would appreciate any future C.I.S. statements to state that the impact had been taken into consideration. The canal that the stormwater from this project is entering is connected to a viable sea grass community up and down stream of that area. She wanted to see that the detention areas are underdrained. From a tree standpoint, the Forester had advised that he had no comments. Don Meerians - No comments. George Buhmeyer - No comments. Ream Wilson - No comments. John Peddy - Wished to commend the architect and developer for outdoor lighting should be of high intensity type, metal halide sodium vapor. Use of natural gas for water heating and cooking of energy available now and they might consider gas. their energy efforts. All ' or, preferably, high pressure is the most efficient use Joe Mandy - No comments. '- -2- RDC 11-24-80 ~t....,' " : ~ "11< ~ i.,:,,:\,,1 ',: ' .:', " / " ',,", ':.. .", '! <,' I.:.I:,I,.',":-/~.,'~~.~.:'.;l'~~ ','~', ", ..._.l".~'>~ ~,~ ", I, 'V";,. ::' ::,/.~,.~....,.:~,I).. ;'.~.'t~l '''~:'J''~ '.~'.l'<..~d'~ /........... ,- Dave Healey - Had some questions about the C.I.S. On page 29, under water quality, there seemed to be 8 contradiction in the last paragraph. On pllge 34. under paragraph 3, some- thing seemed to be left out. On page 36. for the estimate of fees. wore water impact fees included? This would need to be add~d. t) MOTION: John Peddy moved that the impact statement bo approved subject to a lettor oetting forth the concerns of Mr. Ayres in regard to total compliance with the building code. Mr. Duhmeyer seconded the motion. Dave Healey moved that the ~otion be amended to add - subject to the preparation of an addendum that would address the energy code concerns, the notation that Karen Wilson requested regarding the cumulative impact on the bay, and the things he had asked for addressing the market analysis. Also, the reference to the visual impact of the building on the roadway or scenic corridor. that power and telephone lines be underground, and the miscellaneous corrections. Mr. Peddy seconded the amendment to the motion. The amendment was voted on and passed. ~fr. Healey proposed a further amendment to the recommendation to approve the C.l.S.; that it be conditioned upon information provided to the Commission in regard to the cumulative traffic impact on Gulf Boulevard and the affect on the level of service.That we propose to the Commission that they a) approve the C.I.S. with the condition that the Transportation Plan and the Capital Improvement Program be amended as is appropriate in order that the capacity of Gulf Boulevard may be expanded consistent with the anticipated approved construction now underway, or b) approve the project only in such stages as is acceptable to coincide with the ability of the road to accommodate increased traffic. Mr. Ayres seconded the motion. Don Meerians - Had a question- would the Pass bridge be included? He would be created at both ends by improving Gulf Boulevard to 4 lanes. discussion regarding traffic. said that a bottleneck There was some , ,:-; The amendment was voted on and passed unanimously. , '""-,, and carried unanimous 1y. The motion as amended twice was voted on PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN - (Dan's Island) , , '.. At 10:45 a.m. the Chairman left the meeting. Joe Mandy took over the Chairman's duties. .,' Roy Ayres - Sidewalks need to be shown on site plan on public right-of-way just off Gulf Blvd. Parking layout needs to be indicated. Health Dept. may require that restrooms be provided for the two pools. The architect said they were provided underneath the building. Mr. Ayres said that would be a problem as they must meet the flood elevation requirement of 12' or get a waiver from the Flood Board and it would be better if they could design separate facilities outside of the building. There was discussion about thia with the archi tec t. .', John Rooks - Discussed previously distributed comments (Item #1) Karen Wilson - Need to specifically provide irrigation sprinkler system for the turf block. When the building plan is submitted, they need to see a cross section of the detention 'facility and outfall structure. She inquired about the dumpsters. The architect said the dumpsters would be contained in a trash room underneath the building and wbuld be brought out at time of pick up and returned. Mrs. Wilson asked if there would be a drain in the trash room going into the sanitary sewer. The architect said this had been provided for, and it was determined that a 4" line would be necessary. /'.. 0 Don }Ieerians - The number of handicapped spaces should be four. There was some discussion ,~ < on handicapped parking areaSJ with easements up to the meters and fire hydrants. '..' . George Buhmeyer - No comment. .' ". ,r- ' ,',:1 'J.;.. , , -3- RDO 11-24-80 ~ l~",'>\;:.:~,~;~\':/' ..'..' ..........\ ,"" , Joe ~f8nd>: Service lines'.. ~ng from the wator mains to the lildings Bhould be 4" to the meter. ." T-: .1"..... "',,' , '~t 'i~'.\1 > ~ I;. !. ~'. ~ :F~~~ jl " Ream Wilson - No comment. I ~: .. " " .~ ('1John Peddy - Discussed heat 109S from poot #2 which is not protected by 0 building and .""/suggested landscaping or some other me thod to reduce the liirflo,~ across the pool. The architect said there is a sand dune to be installed which should help. Dave Healey - Questioned the calculations concerning nct density. He said he believed they were not entitled to 176 units based on his calculations. The architect said they had made a trade-off. At one time they had five entrances into the project and now they only have three. By virtue of deleting two entrances it has increased the distance from the building to the main ingress and egress, which has increased the deduction for net density. There was some discussion. Mr. Hcaley suggested it would be appropriate in light of Mr. Ayres~ comments to consider combining the two pools into one pool area between the two buildings, which would free up the site somewhat relative to parking ond open area. He also suggested there should be easements for public pedestrian access at the South or North limits of the property. :'), ':!:.\:~ ": ,,~;. ..::( . ~,' !..f~; , .{~~i, I".;, :,'~ "~ /;/~~ ,.t;\, " .:'.l ~;,~ l }~ ~ ,!;',I ',\. " :...t:"' Don Meerians - Some discussion about parking with architect. Aisle width should be 24' and minimum parking stalls are 91 by 191. :. \ ,." MOTION: Don Meerians moved that the Committee approve the site plan. The motion was seconded. Dave Hesley proposed an amendment to the motion, that approval was subject to 1) approval of the City Commission of the transfer of density from the East side of Gulf Boulevard to the West side, including any appropriate covenants to that effect. 2) Con- firmation of calculations for permitted net density. 3) Adjustment of Tower #1 to maximum extent possible to the West. 4) Consideration to the combination and relocation of the pools and recreation aress to a single pool and provision of a minimum 10 ft. pedestrian access ..~to the beach. 5) Approval of the requested height variance by the Board of Adjustment and ~)Appeal. 6) The Building Permit be subject to the completion snd verification of the beach renourishment effort as it pertains to the site or approval of the City Engineer and Building Director as to the state of progress of beach renourishment. , , \ \' ". ~ ,< ""1'; \;: ;'i: ,"\ ~ i;C " ~. ,:>~l .1<. l,C\ /: I~ ',> ""\ :"'~~ ;,"( ~ Joe Mandy seconded the motion. There was discussion between the owner and Mr. Healey, and Jonn Rooks made comments about access to the beach. The amendment to the motion was voted on and passed unanimously. The main motion was voted on and also passed unanimously. IT~M #2 - Central Plaza Bank & Trust Co. - Countryside Branch, Trimm-Clark a/alp; located in'Jennifer Office Complex - Unit 2A, on the East side of U.S. Highway 19~ John Rooks - as Item #2. Presented and discussed written comments which are attached to these minutes There was some discussion about the retention pond. Karen Wilson - No comments. Don Meerisns - Parking spaces at South end show dimension of 17~ ft. and the requirement is 19 ft. George Buhmeyer - No comment. Joe Mandy - Discussion of water main. The bank should have its own tap directly into the main. Discussion of dumpster site. " ..-..,Ream Wilson - No comment. : ",) I' ~'0 . ;"::, . John Peddy - Suggested that security lighting and outdoor lighting be high density, preferably high pressure sodium. -4- RDC 11-24-80 _<' ' .',' :: l' : ' : " ,\, : ,.' ,'~ J.., 'I', ~ " \ : '. ; '. 1/ ': r , , :': "i , , :' '~ " : ~ ',,:; ,,', ~.: ,\ ,: ',:~ ::r L~: 1 ~ I~~ ,..; " ,t,:~,', , ~...: . ~.: ,~: " ,: :'../..] ~[' ~~' .~,~~ ~ ~~, ' ::j '~l.: ~ l"':~ :1'\ ", ~: " 1j~ .,' :...' (": "\ ".; ',l '::,' 'oj' ,t" ;' .:,',~ ,:,;' ',', ~ t',' ~", J ,~', ",;': I Dave Healey - Discussed rV"')-of-way area. Need an addi tio.--1 40 I right-of-way dedication. Some gonera 1 d, ~uso ion about this. Other comm .8 about requirement to be platted. Roy'AyroB - Building Permit will not ~the electrical system design is done I ',Jneed a lockable switch gear. , ,.....~ be issued until property is platted. AlBa, be sure that so that power can be provided when needed. They would MOTION: Dave Henley moved to approve the site plan subject to the following: 1. Sidewalk to be provided. 2. Retention Brea to be modified as per Engineering Department direction. 3. Additional 40 ft. right-of-way for U.S. 19 to be shown. 4. Five ft. setback for parking area to be provided. 5. Property to be platted. John Peddy 8econded the motion. The motion was voted on and passed unanimously. ITEM #3 - Harbour Towne Condominiums Phase Communities; located at Bayshorc Boulevard Treco Residential C.A. Peterson, Frank Morris, William Kenneally) COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT The project director made comments to the Con~ittee about the history of the property. Dave Healey - Had comments regarding the request for the waiver of the c.r.s. and some discussion with the developers. The developers indicated that most of the information for the C.I.S. is available if needed. There was some general discussion. MOTION: Dave Healey made a motion recommending the waiver of the c.r.s. subject to a determination by the City Attorney that it was within the legal parameters of the Committee (~to do so. The motion was seconded by Joe Mandy. Motion passed unanimously. '~ './ . ~""" . .,t PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN Roy Ayres Commented about the sidewalk requirement and that parking spaces for handicapped needed to be shown on the site plan. John Rooks - Distributed and discussed written comments attached as Item #3. Karen Wilson - A few more detention areas needed on site plan. Some discussion about this with the developer. The sand filter needs to be moved to the West as close to the parking area as possible. The 811 sanitary line needs to be redesigned so that the line runs to the South end of the building to avoid losing 5 or 6 trees. Tree permit will need a survey with species and sizes. Other comments about subdraining. dry detention areas, and connectirig with existing storm sewer. Don Meerians - Commented about parking spaces and other items on site plan. George Buhmeyer - Two additional fire hydrants needed on site. He discussed placement with developer. Joe Mandy' - No comments. '~,~ :'i' .:. 3\', ~ ..:: 't.' .. ' Ream Wilson Stated he had no problems with vacating the street to the West of the ",., project as a street would bisect the bike path. ~\; .<:llohn Peddy - Outdoor and security lighting - might consider high intensity type. ',:' Dave Healey - Need delineation of existing parking area and proposed sand filter system. ,Some discussion with developer about sand filter system. Mr. Healey said that he i8 against the sand filter idea in principal and feels that they should wait until the public system can handle the sewage. Considerable discussion followed. -5- RDC 11-24-80 );~"" ',< .',,' ~~: ..". ," :\ ':, .. ~ I r,'. , ': ~ . '.,:7\ \,' ~:~' , 1 ( ) I ).... , j , J 1 ,;,',,',",:t~,.....~,'~,,:.::':':'.,':..:..,~:',,',~..,l,';:,; ".i'l'," l )1' ,l' ,t, ';" 'fl. 'i~' 1,'IIT'~"'~.~Jt" '" 1,.I'l>j~r' ,I. ( n" ',~,,' ',. \1,', ,', l .,1 "'\', ~,~, "I"l~.""J 1~~ll" >. ) 'I' .~ ',:!. " /" -;.,,~ I''''. l'I~.' 11 ' .. ~.' II' , ,~ . 1 . .,' I,'," "II .,,',.1,,',:,,' ,~'\' . .' '1' I, -/, f'jJ ,I., >',: "~'Ir~:,'" ..f.,,:'~ ~:,'.. ;,,11 :,Q'",l.. :.' i..g,',::...",..:.\., I~~',' ,j' " . '\, ,":,.;;,..... ' " ,-." . ,'t! ,""1',_ rr. ,)..' ~}, , ' .JJ " ,........... .;0- HOTION - ~r. Ayres moved t ;pprov~ the site plan. John Pe: _ scconded the motion. Karen Wilson Buggested that the rnot1.on be approved to state ttHlt the RDC approves the site plan contingent upon, 1) the approval by the D.E.R. and the City Engineer for installing an elevated sand filter as an interim measure providing that the integrity of the East Plant is not jeopardized., 2) the sand filter be moved to the East as far as possible to avoid removal tJ of trecs, 3) that Building 13 be moved 10 ft. to the Southwest to avoid removal of trees. ',. Don Meerions added that all dimensions of sidewalk and parking areas should be shown on the final site plan, subject to approval of the Traffic Engineering Department. Mr. Buhmeyer oaid that two additional fire hydrants should be shown on the plan.Roy Ayres said that sidewalk should be shown along the property line adjacent to Baske Drive and handicapped spaces should be labeled. Dave Healey said that the net density permitted be as provided for under RPD 8, including as would be permitted with the vacation of the right-of-way if that is Bought and received. AlsoJ ~fr. Healey added that all of these changes should be made and verified prior to it going fo~ard to the Commission. George Buhmeyer seconded the amendment to the motion. The amendment was voted on and carried with one opposed. The main motion was then voted on and carried, with one opposed. Dave Healey - Had a follow-up motion. and reservation about the process they that the Committee does not think this account when making his recommendation The RDC express to the City Manager their concern are following regarding elevated sand filters and is a solution. That the City Manager take that into on this particular plan and others like it. George Buhmeyer seconded the motion. The motion carried, with one opposed. The meeting adjourned for lunch at this time (1:00 p.m.) ITEM #4 ='Brigantine Condominiums, Frank M. Bosworth; located at 724 Bayway Boulevard. The meeting resumed at 1:30 p.m. with Roy Ayres serving as Chairman in Betty Haeseker's '~labsence. Cecil Henderson joined the meeting, John Rooks was excused, Joe Mandy was '...........excused and 'Hr. Claude Howell from Utilities joined the meeting. Hr. Ream lolilson was excused briefly from the meeting. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN Cecil Henderson - Distributed written comments from the Engineering Department, attached as Item #4, and discussed same with developer. Karen Wilson Very nice. No other comments. Don Meerians Discussion about parking. George Buhmeyer Fire hydrant across the street from Clearwater Pass, Southwest corner. Uti1ities.- Only comment was that the dumpster location should be cleared with the Sanitation Department. <, Ream Wilson - No comment. '. ~ ,- John Peddy - Discussion with the developer about lighting and use of 70 watt sodium vapor " lighting. He mentioned that the pool was exposed and would be dif,ficult to heat. The developer said that the pool was not to he heated. There was some discussion about a wall to block cold air and wind and keep the pool in swimming condition for a longer period of time. , 'Onave Healey - Discussed the plan with the developer. Questioned number of parking spaces, , ,', building height, pool location, and duinpster location. 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" , \" '" I !.. l..'. "I.':" ~,:' '>~~.'>".c> '~~,",': ,....,,1 , " ,':.",:',? :,t"" ( T' ~ , , ":'i'".'i" . ' i ~ .',~: I,~~' '. 'F I " ~, , .; ; '~ ' : ~ , .' .... ,., ''',:'tiW.!::::j::,2,; ! >, i ". ~ . ~ . \ ' , ~.;' " . ~. .~'. " . :~ ~: :.. : . , I'" ,"(",", " . ~ . I , ,.' ':" I'! . I:' . ,: ll' J:, ", . l , , ,I' , . ".. ~ "I" ,: r.',' ,l~ f P (,I, J :,~' ,', " " ,~.', "~,, ~ jr. .. ,~' ',',', 1 ,'] ;,j,' . \' ,> I, or ~ :'~ ' ,,', ; . ~ I, ~ 'I>' t ",~, : ,:,1:(;.. . ,;"\I,{,, ,,:: ~' ,';~ ',' 'I J :'~~ t' ,: ': ~ ;: :':".;:~:' ,:' ~ 'I, '-," ,/" { \ :~/ ~ ',' . ... ..... ,..-.., · I d Cec1.l He\'\derson - S toted f01 ,:le recor that a school, of WIll had received a bequest from the sale of this land. he is 11 board member, Roy Ayres'" COI11l1ented that #15 space wns marked for a handicapped space and should not be placed where someone in a wheel chair would have to be wheeled in back of vehicles. The ~ace was changed to #8 by the developer. ~fr. Ayres also commented about restrooms being r""..kquired by the Health Department. There was some discussion about rcstrooms being undet' the building and a waiver being required from the Flood Board for this. Some general discussion followed about the Flood Board and insurance. Don Meerians'" Had a comment about a light pole shown in the middle of a sidewalk that should be moved. Utilities - Mr. Howell said they might want a lawn meter installed. MOTION - motion. Karen Wilson made a motion to approve the site plan. Ream Wilson seconded the Dave Healey - Suggested an amendment to the motion. Approval would be subject to meeting the sideyard setback requirements. The amendment was seconded by ~lr. Peddy. Mr. Buhmeyer added that approval would also be subject to a fire hydrant being installed as directed. Ream Wilson seconded this motion. The main motion with the amendments passed unanimously. There was a further motion that this Committee recommend approval of tile waiver by the Flood Board to permit the restroom facilities underneath the building. Cecil Henderson seconded the motion, which passed unanimously. ITEM # 5 - (Continued) Bay place Condominium Townhomes, James Connell (developer); located on North Osceola Avenue. VISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN , , cecil Henderson... Distributed and discussed Engineering Dept. comments which a~e attached to minutes as Item #5. Karen Wilson - , avoid eroision. Swale should be connected into detention areas. Also, allow for overflow to Placement of dumpster discussed. A curb cut would be needed. Don Meerians - No problems. .t" , George Buhmeyer No comments. Utilities Need a permanent blow off at end of 2" line. Also had comments about the water ma~n. Ream Wilson - No comment. John Peddy - Suggested -that outdoor lighting be of high intensity type. Also, the pool is exposed to the West and North and needs a windbreak even if heated. The developer said that there were many trees and they would landscape around the pool area. Dave Healey - Wanted a clarification of density and discussed this with the developer. Plan would require a variance with reference to setback and vista requirements. ... ' Roy Ayres - Discussed the plan with developer. MOTION'" Dave He~ley made a motion to approve the site plan subject to - computation of net :~~}nsity and the corresponding number of permitted units, subject to the variance for clear ~ace and waterfront Bet~uck by the Board of Adjustment and Appeal. Cecil Henderson seconded the motiont which passed unanimously, -, "t .. .- r _' , /. -7- RDC 11-24-80 , I PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT I Qecil Henderson - Distributed and commented on Engineering Dept. items attached 8S Item 116. ~ ,-' ITEM 16 - Coachman Ridge, Wm. tackburn' located on the West f. J of N.E. North of S.C.L. RR. (Agreement to Anncx~. (Sandy Lloveros, Clint Stevens, nill Gilkey) Coochmon Road just Tonmy CheRtnut, ,Koren Wilson - No comment. Don Meerians - Discussed plan with developer. George Buhme~er - The main size needs to be specified. Hydrants not sufficient. Some discus- sion about d1fference between City and County codeB. The developer soid he would give a set of plans to the Fire Marshal to go over. Utility Dept. Needed more information on the size of the water main. Some discussion about Tract A-3. Developer said they would Ben that members of the committee received a set of final construction plans. Developer said they needed to know as Boon a8 possible if water main changeD would be necessary. Ream Wilson - Said that the 10 percent parkland dedication hod already been worked out (cash and land). The developer said they were ready to deed to the City. Mr. Wilson said he was sorry to see the two medians going in. He could understand that it was to save the trees but was glad to see there were no more medians because of the maintenance problem. Mr. Wilson said the Parks and Recreation Dept. was going strictly to grass and trees in medians because they were easier to maintain and looked nice. Shrubs and flowers require much more maintenance. John Peddy - Said that it was the intent of the City to switch over all the street lighting ',~ high pressure sodium vapor lighting. The developer said this was going to be done, meeting :,...:..)ty and Florida Power specifications. They planned to use concrete poles. Dave Healey - Discussion with developer about zoning, fencing, and landscaping problems. He pointed out deficient street right-of-way widths, interconnection of street system) and lack of .adequate provision for double frontage lots. Roy Ayres - It was his understanding that they were looking a t a tract of land that is in the County and will remain in the County for some periou of time and ultimately will be annexed. Whatever goes into that area will be done under County regulations and County codes and at the time it is annexed it will become the direct concern to the City in terms of what is there , and what problems in terms of service that the City is to provide. MOTION - Dave Healey moved that the committee convey to the City Manager their concerns about the process whereby the Commission has approved annexation for property that preempts the Committee's prerogative to review it consistent with the normal procedure and standards that 'they think are important. Karen Wilson seconded the motion. Motion passed unanimously. The developer asked for written comments about the concerns of the Committee. The Engineering Department has provided their comments. Traffic Engineering, Utilities, Fire, Planning were to provide comments for the developer. Traffic Engineering has provided written comments as are attached as Item #6a. ITEM #7 - (Continued) Marla Grove Estates, L&M Home Builders, Inc.' located on the t~..utheast corner of Cunnin ham and Allard Drives A reement to Annex Sandy Lloveras, Clint Stevens, Stan Nastir) '01 , Dave Healey was excused from the meeting. Ream Wilson was excused and Nr. Art Kader, Assistant Parks'snd Recreation Director, joined the meeting. -8- RDC 11-24-80 , ,',' .,'" :, :: ~, " I "':.1 ': :, ,~ r-- ;,Fl-' (Item i7) >.'. '.\, ':'..l: '" ',' cecil Henderson... Distributed written comml!nts and discussed same. Attached as i17 to minutes. '/-\1'en Wilson - Requested that shcet /13 or the plans be shown as that sheet had been left out '-.of the sets of plans sent out. Sheets were distributed. ;~ ,\ ('I' n ,~~ <':, l:. ":';i'( ~"?J ~(--, , Fire Dept. No comments. Claude Howell (Utilities) Discussed various items with the developer. Said that the 8" line under the street (Allard Drive) was not necessary. .!':.:y' '. 'I ( ':J\ '..:~ i ,!I I., ~ " Don Meerh,ns ... Comment about strect width and that it was not up to City standard. Other comment about n cul-de-sacJ but the main concern was about street width. '~, :, , '< ~ >, ~ '., ' :.: ., , Art Kader - The Parks and Recreation Department had problems with the developer1B method of the parkland dedication. The developer had requested that a portion of Harbor Lake be dedicated to the City in order to meet the parkland d,edication requirement. This was un- acceptable to the Parks and Recreation Department. Discussion followed by Mr. Kader on reasons why the Parks and Recreation Department did not want the lake dedication and Tract A. " : ':"\ )" :'",\; ~ l;: ,: ,;i'i ~ <.\ ,I' 1 'I ~ " At a previous meeting of the RDC, Mr. Lloveras said that Dave Healey had indicated the City would like to have the lake and Tract A, which ia by Lot 15. Further, the developer inmcated that he could request a 50% waiver for this arrangement. There was Bome discussion about the maintenance of the lake and who would be responsible for maintenance. Art Kader stated that the Parks and Recreation Department would like to see the 10% dedication in the form of money in lieu of land. The amount to be dedicated would be 1.87 acres. There was some discussion about the timing of payment of parkland dedication fees. The developer asked for the pro- cedural steps regarding payment. There was some further discussion and Don Meerians read a :.:' ~7tion from the previous meeting regarding parkland dedication. " ".,::) :;', John Peddy - No cOlmnent. " .:,; ,~~ ~ '.:< :' ~ t , ' , ~ ,.. <: .' : .;'., Roy Ayres - No comment. Karen Wilson - Discussed the plan with the developer. There was some correction to be made on the, drawing to show that water would go through the subdrain. ,MOTION: ~ Cecil Henderson moved that Marla Groves Estates Revised Subdivision Plat be approved and that the City Manager be advised that two of the RDC members bad reservations concerning this plat. They were: Traffic Engineering which was not satisfied with the street widths, and Parks and Recreation which was not satisfied with the method of parkland dedication. John Peddy seconded the motion and the motion was approved unanimously. ITEM #8 - Moccasin Lake Park - Site Plan, Mike Kenton arrived at the meeting at this time. Karen Wilson was excused. Roy Ayres - The primary problem for the Building Deparbment was that the contractors assume there is no problem with a permit being required and goes ahead without proper permits. There was some discussion about the plan. Cecil Henderson - Had a question about the closing time of the park. Would there be a gate to .~ ",40se off the parking lot? Hr. Kenton said there would be a gate that would be closed at night. !\"'Jre was then some discussion about drainage off the parking lot. Mr. Kenton advised that the plan was to go to the state when the RDC had approved it. -9- ROC 11-24-80 1 . ", ' '; ,.:~'" ", ,'". , t". ,I'.,.. I' '~I.J,' 1:~1'~, , ' ", ~\ . "" '\~,. '.' , ., (', '. . '".'::.:,~ ' " './, ~': ~:.., .+: ' ..' r, ; ~ , i, . .~ ~"-"" , Don,Meerians - No problems. ,;peorge Buhmeyer - Need a fire hydrant adjacent to the parking lot. There was some discussion about where 0 line could be stubbed in and a fire hydrant location. " Qlaude Howell - No comments. :~ " Art Kader - No comments. John faddy No conments. MOTION - Mr. Buhmeycr moved that the site plan be approved as submitted subject to a hydrant being located adjacent to the parking lot as discussed. Motion was seconded and voted on. Motion passed unanimously. ,ITEM 19 - Toyota Town Agency t U.S. 19 and Drew ,Max Battle, Director of Public Works~ joined the meeting at this time. He said that the City Manager was requesting that Toyota Town be permitted to start work on their new agency onU.5. 19 in so far as getting their cars moved and placing a small building there. subject to the site plan and C.I.S being prepared for review in the usual manner. The Manager wanted the Committee to know wbat he wns contemplating doing. ,Don Moerians - No objection as long as the parking lot is up to standards. ..~ ~ " ~ :: ;'. 'Roy Ayres - No objection. q' , :,I\~,> ',George Bubmeyer - No objection. :~~~'~',:" ~ .<. . . p:~' ~:i:/ }t111t1es - ~,:~'~:, ,'~ ~';>" "Art Kader - No objection. .t~,' \ '.\,. C ';1 C ~ ' :,' No objection. " ~:l:. : .' ' ;:':' ~ : Jobn Peddy - MOTION: Move that we recommend to the City Manager that we approve the concept of hisisBuing a tempo~ary permit to go ahead with tbe sales lot and sales office of Toyota Town~s new ~ot, subject to this Committee receiving a full impact statement and completed Preliminary Site Plan that must cOmply with all City criteria to tbe satisfaction of all department. Mike Kenton seconded the motion. ; The motion passed unanimously. i- , .;!.\' , There being no further business before the CommitteeJ the meeting adjourned at 4:00 p.m. ,,; ~.. '.. I' , ./". ~ '" , '.1,. '. Respectfully submitted. Patricia PhillipsJSecretary \+ 'I, i' ~ I.', Attachments ~ . _.~ CbAj.1;~ ~~-lA-5.'~ "t :-~ ~~, ;' ~::, . '~., ~r~ ' , ' :;'," r.::~ ~~:~~'.\U. ~;;::', ' :l\': ' ..', , tr....... " 'c W~;'~,:,;/;, :', ( ,;' I " ~;,:, ,,: . , II -10- RDC 11-24-80 ~t!~~~:>.~" 'l?:"::'~\'~':\:?i~{ '( :::' i , ,> '10 f"~}.!:..., ,". ~r;" ..,