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SPECIAL RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING
September 2J, 1980
Members Present:
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Elizabeth S. Haeseker, Assistant City Manager
,Cecil Henderson, Assistant Public Works Director
,David Healey, Planning Director
Paul Rettig, Utilities Director
John Peddy, Energy Officer
George Buhmeyer, Fire Marshal
Art Kader, Assistant Parks and Recreation Director
Karen Wilson, Water Resources Specialist (representing
Environmental Management)
Don Meerians, Assistant Traffic Engineer
,Hank St~.Jean, Chief of Permits and Inspections, Building
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,Chuck Younglove, The Fairmont Company
,Char~es Rutenberg, Rutenberg Communities, Inc.
,Frank Mudano, ,M~dano Associates, Architects,' Inc.
TimJohnBon~ Attorney (representing Mr. Rutenberg)
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ITmf 01 - Sandy Lane, The Fairmont Company; located east of Highland .
",Avenue, sputhof Greenlea Drive, north of Sandy Lane and west of Sharondale
Drive.
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The Chairman announced that the purpose of hearing on Sandy Lane was to come
up with'a recommendation to the City Manager regarding access to the project.
,Paul Rettig - The CIS is approved subject to City Commission approval and
, the release of two deed restrictions. He is opposed to the removal of the
restricti~n8. ,However, unless they are removed, he believes the property
cannot be d~veloped--so he would recommend removal.
John Peddy - ~wo meetings ago it was suggested that adjacent property owners
be notified regarding deed restrictions. He asked Mr. Younglove if this had
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Chuck Younglove - he had gone to the Pines Condominium. Their response was
':negativeand they furnished him with a letter to that effect. The Chairman
I reques~ed a' copy of the letter and M~. Younglove will furnish. Mr. Younglove
, ,has contacted four adjacent property owners and two have no objection to
'"break~rig the restrictions and two objected.
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Hank St. Jean - no comments.
George Buhmeyer - no commentR.
Art Kader - no comments.
Karen lHlson - pointed out that Nr. Younglove had been aaked to provide some
changes in the aite plan because of trees. This has not been done.
C. Younglove - will get with Hike Campbell and take care of.
Cecil Henderson - opposed to south access. Obvious that project site wa.s
'proposed as an extension of other side, rather than part of residential sub-
division.
David Healey - has some concerns regarding the deed restrictions. Restric-
tions are a matter of record. However, if property is to be used, restric-
tions need to be removed. He prefers that property also be connected to
the north--in other words, to have access from both north and south. Most
~ould access from the south anyway, and for this reason, he reluctantly
supports the removal of the restrictions.
P. Rettig - if deed restrictions were ,not removed, what would be possibility
of getting property zoned back to single~family. D. Healey said it would he
possible, but he does not think the City ought to rezone at present. The ~
legal,'recourse open to the developer is to go to whoever gave them clear
title to the property. After the City Commission makes a decision on the
matter before them, the City would be free to apply for a rezoning.
Don ~~erians - asked if Fairmont owned The Pines at one time. C. Younglove
answered that they did. They were given title insurance and the insurance
company did not pick up the restrictions. D. Meerians would like people who
will be affected to have some knowledge of the possibility of removal of
restrictions.
MOTION: John Peddy recommended removal of deed restrictions subject to noti-
, fication of all property owners facing on Sandy Lane and Rosemont Drive between
Pamelia Drive & Highland Avenue.
,G. Buhmeyer amended motion to add: if City Commission denies access on Sandy
Lane, he requests the option of moving fire hydrants. Motion carried with
Cecil Henderson and Hank St. Jean voting in opposition.
Chuck Younglove agreed that it would be fair to have a public hearing.
ITEM #2 - Imperial Pines Condominium, Rutenberg Communities, Inc.; located
on the northwest corner of Eastland Boulevard and z.tcMullen-Booth Road.
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,Chairman explained that erroneous information may have been given to the
RDC. She would like to be certain it is reviewed with ~orrect information.
, Attorney Tim Johnson has been given the clarification of the Commission
"motion. Clarified to say that if RDC has no problems, it does not need to
go back to the Comission and members do not need to change their recommend a-
,tions.
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Karen Wilson - reported that she had called D.E.R. and they were unaware
that Imperial Pines intends to fill in a creek. D.E.R. classifies the creek
as an existing body of water and a dredge and fill permit would be required.
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MOTION: D. Healey moved that the RDC reconsider earlier motion on the CIS
for Imperial Pines Condominium. Karen Wilson seconded the motion which car-
r:l.ed unanimously.
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COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT
Paul. Rettig, JQhn Peddy, Hank St. Jean, Geor~e Buhmever, Art Kader, and
Karen W,~lson t a comments are the same as those from the 9/19/80 meet'lng.
Karen Wilson added that the supplement regarding water quality has not been
submitted to her.
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Cecil Henderson - comments are the same as those from the 9/19/80 RDC meeting
with one exception--Engineering is opposed to a permanent fence structure on
the right of way. Something which could be removed easily would be o.k.
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David Healey - Underscored his principal p~ints. The CIS is acceptable
except with regard to water quality and traffic impact information. He objects
to the number of units, density and building heights. The scale of this
project is inappropriate in this location.
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asked if they planned to add an addendum to traffic portion.
Will provide information on total impact.
Karen Wilson - tree survey is needed. Mr. Mudano said it is in the CIS.
impact is in pro~ess.
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Cecil Henderson - asked Karen Wilson if she needed water impact information
before she would vote on the CIS. ~Is. Wilson answer affirmatively.
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Nr. Meerians wants traffic impact ~or this project on record but will vote.
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MOTION: John Peddy moved to approve the CIS for Imperial Pines Condominium
contingent on adequate water quality and traffic impact information being
submitted.
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PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN
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John Peddy -
9/19/80 ROC Meeting comments.
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Hank St. Jean - Supports Public Works position on the wall and setback.
His comments of the 9/19/80 meeting still hold.
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'George Buhmeyer - in reference to access on Allen Avenue--it will be needed.
Chas.'Rutenberg bridge providing access would probably be in the nature
'of a box culvert--not a lightweight, temporary, scenic-type structure.
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F. Mudnno - would design crossing of creck to conform to the City of Clear-
water1s standards for capacity.
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G. Buhmeyer - the weight the bridge would need to support is 49,000 Ibs.
Art Kader - no comments.
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Karen Wilson - Comments of 9/19/80 meeting stand. Proposed that buildings
be rearranged to retain creek.
Cecil Henderson - Previous comments stand. Opposes permanent privacy wall
in right of way easement. . Repeated that Public Works requests the developer
move the sanitary sewer line to the center of the project with an easement
over',:that line' so service can be provided to adj ncent property.
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F. Mudano - have revised plan to show this configuration. Also have shown
sidewalks, moved the buildings off McMullen-Booth Road right of way and have
moved wall as agreed to at last RDC meeting. Have incorporated everything
except water reconfigurations.
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C. Henderson there is a water line on Allen Avenue so water line shown on
plan would not need to be constructed as shown.
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D. Healey - Reiterated previous concerns--number of units, heights of buildings,
location of high density project on scenic corridor, privacy wall. The purpose
of receiving information for the CIS is to apply to the PSP. Proper procedure
is to receive the information regarding water quality and traffic, tnen evaluate
and determine whether it has any implication on the site plan.
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C. Henderson - re configuration and building height, he understood that the
developer is meeting current zoning regulations in design, or actually improving
on. Why opposition?
D. Healey - because current regulations do not reflect what is appropriate
in this location.
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Chairman -'this went to the City Commission who considered the applicants
voluntary change. --the"': question of, zoning is moot.
Don Meerians - asked developers if they had a new site plan. Affirmative.
Asked if access is dir.ectly across from Northwood Plaza.
F. Mudano - Yes. They will indicate left-hand turn lane off Eastland Boule-
vard when they submit final drawings.
D. Meerians - Eastland Boulevard narrows from that point.
F. Mudano - If necessary, they will add a lane. They have not removed median
from interior part.
D. Meer-ians - as discussed, asile for less than two-~~ay traffic can be very
confusing if parki~g is perpendicular.
F., Mudano - will have parking under building and will provide City with a
parking arrangement in sections through the building indicating how th~y
intend to park.
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D. Maerians - understood that the developer was going to move the gatchoul:lc
over to the side. ';
F. Mudano - pulled it further ill to restrict the thirty-foot thorough.
wered more of Mr. Meerians questions to wit: Will be one-way traffic;
is 24 feet and they could angle parking ao people would know which way
fie is going.
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P. Rettig - wants a new water plan and easements over the water mains.
Mr. Mudano indicated that he understood.
-MOTION: Karen Wilson moved that the site plan for Imperial Pines Condominium
be continued in an effort to meet all concerns of RDC members including water
quality, traffic, privacy wall and an access bridge for Allen Avenue which
would be appropriate for fire vehicles. D. Healey seconded the motion.
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P. Rettig requested information on the creek. Ms. Wilson explained that the
water quality of Bishop Creek would be adversely impacted if drainage water
is diverted through retention ponds rather than allowing it to flow down 0
natural stream bed which does considerably more to improve the quality of
the water. DER requires a dredge and fill permit. It would be necessary to
remove or redesign two buildings and a roadway. In answer to Mr. Rettig's
questions, Ms. Wilson stated that in the developer's proposal water would go
into a holding area which would be wet at all times. Every effort is being
made to prevent violation of the City's water quality ordinances and to up-
grade the quality of water in Clearwater.
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'A~ Kader commented that Ms. l~ilson does not have enough information to judge
~hat that impact would be.
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More discussion on the stream and the retention ponds. Ms. Wilson pointed
out that filling in the creek bed would result in the loss of a natural
habitat.
Hank St. Jean noted that at the last RDC meeting, the ratio of parking spaces
was not being met.
F. Mudano assumes the City will grant a waiver downward. Slab for parking
underneath the building will extend beyond the building from each side and
vehicles will be parked beyond the building. 'they will have an earth berm
and" the continuation of that berm will meet the underside of the building
and go upwards so car hoods would be protected. Building will flare at the
bottom to cover parking.
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c. Rutenherg - clarified information on the creek. In the spring of 1979
they developed Imperial Oaks and they were asked to give rer.ognition to a
to a SOO-foot piece of creek which was shown on the master land use plan.
They were asked to, put storm water into it and turn part of the creek into
a retention', pond. They piped about 110 feet of it, had (.: crossing and
continued it in a redug and grassed swale. The City was not trying to
protect it. Allowed Northwood Plaza to fill in part of it and a lOO~foot'
right of way cut it off., Bishop Creek from McMullen-Booth Road eastward
toward Tampa Bay is unmaintained and polluted. He desires to maintain water
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quality when there is water quality to be maintained ond they are making every
effort to protect Bishop Creek. Figured that out of 556 (eat of creek, 386
feet are left and had been dug out with a backhoe before they purchased the
property. Nr. Rutenberg said this creek has been removed from the City's
Land Use Plan.
D. Healey took exception to Nr. RutenbeI&'s suggestion that the Plan had been
altered to remove the creek designation. Previously was indicated by green
and while there is a new system now denoting environmental sensitivity, there
was no intent to indicate that the creek is unrecognized.
K. Wilson said vegetation that had been removed in violnt1on or DER require-
ments is growing back and will return to its original stnte.
Some discussion regarding a possible entrance on McMullen-Booth Road.
T. Johnson stated that there is 25 percent impermeable ground cover on this
project which is very low. The developer has been concerned with water
quality, and if they have to move buildings the whole balance of thefr proj-
~ct '.gets thrown off. They have cooperated and another postponement will
hurt the developers economically.
MOTION: Paul Rettig moved to reconsider the preliminary site plan for Imperial
Pines Condominium. George Buhmeyer seconded the motion which carried unani-
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The MOTION made by Karen Wilson earlier in the meeting carried, with Cecil
Henderson and John Peddy voting "nay."
Chairman Haeseker stated the City Commission will not need to look at the site
plan again if staff concerns are satisfied. Agreed to go around the Committee
again so the developer can know exactly what is being required.
Paul Rettig said water quality information is needed.
John Peddy needs no more information.
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Hank St. Jean stated that before the plan is certified by the City Clerk,
all information is to be shown on the plan. Parking underneath the building
should be shown; also the guardhouse location. Comments of this meeting
should be reflected. Again, the security wall on the right of way is to be
non-permanent.
Geo. Buhmeyer would like developer to provide approved access on Allen Road
or an approved bridge. Still need hydrants ~nd water mains.
Art Kader had concern in the area of water quality.
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Karen Wilson needed sufficient water quality information on the creek}which
is proposed to be filled i~ so a decision on what impact its removal would have
on Biship Creek can be made.
Cecil Henderson said no additional information was required.
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D. Healey - wall to remain, but nature of wall to chunge--it is
a permanent wall.. Wants water quality and traffic information.
information to include: guardhouse, Eastland Boulevard storage
of traffic asilet location and width of the entrance, nccess on
question.
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Allen Avenue
D. Meerians said that when site plan is to be certified, it should reflect
the final design. He wants a cross-section of parking underneath the build-
ing to be shown, the Eastland Boulevard left-turn storage lane, asile con-
figuration with angle parking to denote one-way traffic, and a statement of
the size of parking spaces.
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K. Wilson added that the CIS ordinance requires a qualification statement
of whoever prepares information.
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ITEM #3 - The Offlcesof Northwood; Northwood Plaza Ltd.; located on the
northeast corner ~f County Road 102 and Landmark Drive.
D. Healey stated that the reason this item was being heard today is so it
could be brought before the City Commission at it's meeting of October 2.
Suggestions had been made regarding the revised points of access and egress
off County Road 102; revision of parking spaces,and drainage retention.
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P. Rettig - had no problems and his concerns had been taken care of.
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Karen Wilson's concern had been eliminated.
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D. Healey said the two-story building heights need to be identified so as
not to exceed twenty feet. Any higher and the setback would change. Based
on the number of square feet, four off-street loading spaces are required
which should be a minimum of 12 feet x 25 feet. Additional access from
County Road 102 has been eliminated so as to provide a joint access between
. Phase C of the shopping center and this project. Suggestions: (1) No
entrances on Landmark Drive; (2) Parking spaces that back into asile would
be awkward--eliminate those; and (3) remove seven spaces inset at bank
building.
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D. Meerians - the five-foot sidewalk is now Bho'~n going around the power pole.
No further comments.
C. Henders~n believes access on Landmark Drive is desirable.
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D~ Healey disagrees with having 2 accesses ~ide by side. A single point of
entry would be 'satisfactory and the developer had the opportunity to accomp-
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September 23, 1980
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. could be handled at the permit stage.
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Cecil Henderson moved to approve the revised site plan for The Offices of
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D. Healey asked the applicants whether they will comply with any or all
suggestions.
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F.'Mudano will revamp parking next to drive-in. Extend two rows of parking
which will close off driveway which .goes directly in back of market. Land-
',mark. access is ,very important an~ they intend' to keep.
:D.Healey will vote in favor even though he still has reservations about
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