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RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
CTty of Clearwater. Florida
May 23, 1980
Members Present
Elizabeth S. Haeseker, Chairman
Ream Wilson, Parks and Recreation Director
Donald A. Meerians. Assistant Traffic Engineer
Paul R. Rettig. Utilities Director
George Buhmeyer. Fire Marshall
David Healey, Planning Director
Ro,y",l\yres, BUilding Director
Ka~eR-W~+se~T-Wa~e~-RegeUree!-Spec;8ttst
M~ke-Gampbe~}T-Feres~er
Cecil Henderson, Jr., Assistant Director of Public Works
Mike Kenton, Assistant Public Works Director
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John Peddy, Energy Officer
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W. H.,Mason.Architect
E. Singer
A. 'Menna, Menna, Construction
N0n11an' ~i e, Jr., Hi ghpoi nt Copr. - East Cove, Inc.
E. Atki nson', Atki nson-Van Horn As soc.
GarY"'r.: Brock, ' Dona 1 d Fredri ck Evans Assoc., Arch itect
Richard Olsen, King Eng. Assoc.
Shiel~s E. Clark~West Coast Engineering Corp.
, Craig Roberton,.St. Pete' Times
. Karen Wilson, Water Resources Special~st Bill Burchfield, Ha~bormaste~
Mike Kenton, Land Resources Specialist
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. The meeting was called to order by Ream Wilson at 10:15 AM.
Minutes:of the May 9, 1980, meeti~g were read and approved with corrections
as noted on the original copy. Motion made by Cecil Henderson and seconded
by Pau1.Retti g.
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ITEM I, St.. Petersburg Bank and Trust Company continued until next scheduled
ROC meeting. Motion made by Cecil Henderson and seconded by Paul Rettig.
Unanimously approved. "
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R.O.C. Meeting 5/23/80 ~ Page #2
Item 2 - Tract 75, Countryside South. Countryside Enterprises. Inc. - Singer;
I, located at the southwest corner of U. S. 19 North and Enterprise Road.
S lTE PLAN
John Peddy: . All of your outdoor lighting should be of a high efficiency type,
something that will deliver 56 lumens per watt and your building should meet
the energy code.
David Healey: This is a continued item from February 8, J980, at which meeting
we questioned the amount of floor area in this project and that which remains in
our agreement with U. S. Home. Only the site plan is noted on the agenda but
we need to deal with the addendum supplement to C.l.S. as well. I note in the
February 8 minutes that we really never took any action on the C.I.S.
With regard to the site plan, there does not appear to be any provision for
walkways or internal sidewalks. There is also a question as to the number of
parking spaces. We would like to eliminate any unnecessary parking and paved
area. Also. there is a question about the use of Florida Power Corporation
right-of-way. We recognize your proposed agreement with F.P.C., but on our
Plan and in our zoning classification it is categorized as Public/Semi-Public.
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George Buhmeyer: No Comment.
Paul Rettig: This could not be served with master meter. Each building must
have a separate meter. Individual businesses with separate entrances must have
individual meters. Need easement for fire line. Noticed only one dumpster
location. Need another with approval of Sanitation Superintendent for locatior.
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.. . Karen Wilson: Each of the retention areas should be designed to drain completely
in less than 24 hours. Plan looks good regarding ultimate discharge to cypress
head.
Mike Campbell: When the applicant comes in for building permit there will be
some p~rking spaces eliminated for landscaping requirements.
. Donald Meerians: Prefer to have access as shown on original plan. This one
shows: vehicles backing out into driveway and blocking it for anyone entering.
If there are less parking spaces required it would be better to realign the
driveway. No radaii shown on accesses. Would like to see some adjustments
in parking layout.
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Roy AYres: No major comment. Check with Building Department regarding handi-
, . capped spaces.
Cecil Henderson: See comments on attached memo.
Discussion:
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Approval of May 9, 1980, addendum. Status of F.P.C. right-of-way use.
W. H. Mason. Architect: Checked with F.P.C. but so far they have not given
thei r approva 1 .
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Donald Meerians: No comment.
~Ayres: No comment.
Cecil Henderson: See attached memo. Also, if there are any questions contact
John Rooks, ,proSect engineer. Sanitary sewer is served by Clearwater East Plant
and there is presently a managerial moratorium with which you are familiar. We
have approved, in the past, an elevated sandfilter for the adjoining tract. It
does require City Manager approval and you will have to go through the same
pro~ess as before for approval.
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Discussion:
Mr. Menna: The master plan will be out shortly.
Paul Rettig: There appears to be 1351 in between the two Menna Motels.
Mr. Menna: Owned by same individual but not under the same lease.
John Pedd~: With a project of this type it might be to your advantage to
investigate the use of solar energy. You have a suitable type roof area.
Motion made by John Peddy that the C.I.S. be approved.
Seconded by George Buhmeyer.
Discussion:
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Dave Healey: Will sewer moratorium be taken into account? Do we need any
notation of this for the records?
Cee,il Henderson: To Karen Wilson - Do you need to modify the motion or can
your problem be solved by a letter from developer?
Motion carried to approve C.I.S. 1 dissenting vote.
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5 IrE PLAN
::; Cecil Henderson: Change subdrain to provide a dry retention pond. Driveway must
meet D.O.T. approval.
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,Donald Meerians: No objection to layout but some parking could be changed to
eTTminate parking spaces in the area of the drive.
Karen Wilson: Water quality - underdrain needed. Recommend the use of sand
instead of gravel. Soil on top. No profile of retention ponds. Dumpster needs
to be removed so water can run off to detention areas. This is a source of
poll uti on.
Vegetation: All trees on site will be removed. Subdrain construction of
ret~ntion'area~ will produce an adverse impact on trees. Trees will probably
die~ Need to rework plan to save some trees.
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R.O.C. Meettng 5/23/80 ~ page #3
Cecil Henderson: What will you do if they do not give approval?
W. H. Mason: Change parking layout.
Cecil henderson moved that addendum to C.I.S. be approved as dated January,
1980, and revised in a letter dated May 9, 1980.
Seconded by Karen Wilson.
Moti~n carried unanimously
. Cecil Henderson: (Site Plan) I move that we continue this item until they
receive approval from F.P.C. in as much as the plan would be drastically
changed if F.P.C. does not give their approval.
Seconded by Dave Healey.
Discussion:
Karen Wilson: Could we amend the motion that if F.P.C. comes through with
approval it would not have to come back to R.D.C.? \
All agreed that it should be reviewed again after F.P.C. gives their decision.
Unanimously continued.
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ITEM 3 - Menna Motel. 2nd Addition. located on State Road 60.
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Paul Rettig: Very difficult for me to locate this site in reference to other
site. They mention travel trailers going in behind but there does not seem to
be any overa 11 plan for thi s. .
Dave' Healey: Noted it was essentially a duplicate of C.I.S. for Phase 1.
George Buhmeyer: No Comment.
Karen Wilson: Water quality - good analysis. Wildlife: Due to the fact that
.there are considerable trees on the site, Mr. Campbell finds it difficult to
beJiev~ that there are no resident birds. He feels that instead of having an
insignificant impact on the wildlife of the area that the project will have a
'latof impact. As far as the ecology ;s concerned, the statement given ignores
" :the subject of tree removal. In light of vegetation removal plan and the
proposed land use, Mr~"Campbell feels that the project will have a significant
. adverse impact on the environment of nearby property.
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George Buhmeyer: Need to show fire hydrants.
Dave Healey: Before approval of intervening parcel, we will need a plan of
what happens to the north of, that property. You might consider, based on
your conceptual plan, how you anticipate tying this in with other property so
as not to preclude reasonable connection based on location of retention areas,
for example.
Developer: Not to be tied in at this time.
Paul Rettig: Need 10' easement on Gulf to Bay. Go to sewer as soon as possible.
Is office and motel a separ'ate building? If so each building must be metered
separately. Dumpster location not good. Need better location. Check with
Sanitation Department for suitable location.
Cecil Henderson: We will require right-of-way dedication when engineering
department approves or at application of building permit.
John Peddl: Outdoor lighting as well as security should be of high efficiency
type. If you have a heated pool you might consider gas heaters. Also, use
wind break on north and west side of pool. Will reduce heating cost.
Paul Rettig: Gas pool heaters may be shut off if using natural gas.
. Ream Wilson: No Comment. However, if you are considering removing the trees
on the northeast corner (oaks) you might check with Parks Department about
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'Karen Wilson: Retention area to be irrigated if used as.landscaping. Concerned
, about areas not percolating and holding water.
'Cecil Henderson: Is there a chance you can increase the slope of the bottom
of the re~ention pond to drain to a low end?
Developer: Yes. Do we get approval of D.E.R. first or. City Manager on the
sand fn ter arrangement? , .
Betty Haeseker: Get D.E.R. approval first.
.~.. ..Mo_~5.(?JL~Y.J~~.ve Heal~y th~:tm~i t.~._pJ~n.. be a,pproved subject to three. conditions:
1. Receive approval of D.E.R. with regard to sewage treatment system and
approval of the City Manager with regard to that arrangement;
2. Modifications described by Cecil Henderson and Karen Wilson regarding
drainage be made; and
3. Plan show proposed future connections to the intervening parcel to
the north.
Seconded by Donald Meerians.
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Cecil Henderson: Would like the motion to also include dedication of 10' of
additional right-af-way along Gulf to Bay as stated on the plan.
Paul Rettig: Would also like the motion to include easement for sewer from
~ect property to existing sewer in Gulf to Bay Boulevard.
Dave Healey and Donald Meerians agreeable.
Motion as modif~ed carried. One dissenting vote.
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ITEM 4 - Harrison Square, Atkinson-Van Horn Association; 1.71 acres located on
the southeast side of Fort Harrison Avenue and ItA" Street.
COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT
Ream Wilson: No comment.
John Peddy: Compliment you on your approach to your goals. Use high intensity
type of lighting.
Paul.Rettig: C.I.S. very well done.
Dave Healey: No problem. C.l.S. well done.
. George Buhmeyer: No comment.
Karen Wilson: Water quality section. The discussion about veterinarians and
the pet.feces deposition we have already discussed with engineering firm. City
has. never required that any kind of calculation be made for that and that
paragraph is totally unnecessary. Under vegetation and wildlife, the conclusion
that the envi ronmenta 1 impact on the property wi 11 not be s i gni fi cant, Mr. I.
Campbell disagrees entirely with that conclusion, stating that the impact of
development on vegetation (tree removal) he feels will have an adverse impact
on the.environment of that property and neighboring areas.
Donald Meerians: No comment.
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Cecil Henderson: See notes attached. Want to compliment you on the C.l.S.
This,will be.served by Marshall Street Treatment Plant and no problem with
service. The' small access to flAil Street'right-of-way through the cemetery
to Myrtle Avenue is going to be closed. One reason is we cannot expand this
area of the road because of existing grave sites in that area.
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Seconded by Paul Rettig.
Motion passed.
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SITE PLAN (Harrison Square)
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Ream Wil son:
No cOlllTlent
John Peddy: No comment
Paul Rettig: Some problem with water service. Shows one service coming across
the street then spreading to each building with a meter. Each building should
be separately metered from the water main through the meter. Show how you are
going to get water to each building. Also, if these are sold with outside
entrances for separate offices they will have to be individually metered.
Richard Olsen: Each individual owner will have his meter. Will run parallel
line off fire,line.
Paul Rettig: Will there be an entrance from this parking lot to parking lot
south of you?
Richard Olsen: This has not been resolved.
Paul Rettig: If you do connect that is fine but if not then that is a bad
aumpster location.
David Heale~: Any objection on your part to the City initiating a Plan in
Zoning amendments that would properly designate this in the Residential!
Office and Professional Services categories respectively? Any problems now
or in the future?
Developer: None at this time. May discuss it later.
George Buhmeyer: No comments.
Karen Wilson: Need to know where water table is. Must drain dry in less than
24 hours. Vegetation. Retention pond should be redesigned on Ft. Harrison to
avoid the magnolia tree. In the retention system be careful what you are
planting in there.
Richard Olsen: We will take another look at it.
Donald Meerians: Assume parking spaces meet the minimum for zoning and are
the proper dimensions. This should be shown on final plan. Also, handicapped
.j'.: spaces.
Richard Olsen: Yes.
Donald Meerians: Is there an access on to Ft. Harrison from the parking lot
to the south?
Richard Olsen: Yes.
Roy AYres: How many handicapped parking spaces? Not indicated an plan.
Richard Olsen: There are four.
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R.'Olsen: Waiting to see what plans the City has to improve the street. Would
be willing t~ participate in any improvements. No plans to upgrade at this time.
Cecil Henderson: We could design an assessment project assessing all adjoining
property owners all along there if we were requested to do so. We have no
,current plan to do anything to "Au Street at this point in time. We would
. permit'ij developer to construct a 24l pavement area, connecting for your
development at your expense. You might want to discuss this further with us.
,You m~ want to provide a 24' paved surface in front of your property.
Motion made by Cecil Henderson that the site plan be approved providing that a
,.satisfactorywater plan is submitted to the Utility Department Director.
Seconded' by David Healey.
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ITEM 5. Dredge Fill Application, High Point, Inc. . property west of Pierce
Boulevard.
Present: Norman Bie and Shields Clark
Ream Wilson:
This is a hearing by the R.D.C. to project what will be involved. The City
Manager has asked us to discuss the project and inform him of any implications as
to how the City might be involved in the project. If you would inform us as to
the project and what would be involved.
Norman Bie: The plan before you today 1 can describe as complete submission to
all of the environmental suggestions that have been made by all of the
environmental agencies, both state ~nd federal, to which th,s pl~n h~s been
submitted. In this respect it departs from the' ortvin~l pl<<n subm,tted to the
City in 1967 in a few major details, Both timesthls h~s been submitted to the
City by High Point Properties it has received unqnimous SupPQrt Qf the'City .
Commission based upon a finding of need for the fqc11ity tQ'serve both tourists
and citizens in the downtown area, . , . .
Changes' are this. All dredging has been eliminated. The Department of
Environmental Regulations, in one of their recent meetings, recommended that
such slips be in farther to the west where the w~ter'is ~lready deep enQugh to
accommodate boats which should go in this type ofM~rina. SecQnd, Dr,
Matthews has made a study and 'sta.ked out grass areas ~ ShQwn bY'do~t.ed 1 ine \
Proposed dyke has been moved to an angle in the south eqsterly - north~
westerly way so as to remain in a uniform 25\ or mQre east of the 9r~ss area"
A suggestion made by the State Environmental Asency approximately tWQ years
ago that currently dynamic shores ~re favored over vertical sea walls as that
tends to absorb the energy action from incoming waves, To be designed with
dykes rather than a sea wall. '
There is a complete area paralleling Pierce Boulevard which has previously
been involved in the agreement between the Corp. ~f Engineers as to where
their jurisdiction level was. It was the subject of the compromise settlement
with the City where one access was provided to this area, under the settlement
of. these law suits. A curb cut was pla.ced in the Pierce Boulevard design
showi n9 where the the Traffi c Engi neer had recommended., Further settlement
that 25' of roadway would be provided north and south, This has been done.
The City made a $5000 contribution toward that particular roadway which runs
from Pierce Street on the north to Haven Street on the south, I made a
suggestion to the City in the past that property on Bay Avenue is blocked off
from use other than as an access down to Oak Bluffs and that with just the
opening of a narrow span of the garage area where the Senior Citizens house is
that a direct access or service road could be provided to parallel pterce
so that all local traffic could be rerouted to Turner St, Thts plan turned
dovm .
Number of slips has been greatly reduced due to modifications and other
things that could go in there has also'been reduced, However, consistent with
this policy all .the environmental considerations were placed first and the
best use that could be made to serve the people were simply made within
the limits of environmental consideration. In perspective, this is 9.6 acre
parcel of waterfront that should be available to the approximately 90,000
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residents of Clearwater who are not fortunate enough to live on the water.
Tho City has surface runoff from 4 major drains which empty here. 90,000
cubic yards dumped here. Converting downtown waterfront into something
that is useable rather than something that is durable has had a decided
favorable impact on both businesses and related industries.
I think, in time, there will be no question but what this will be a major
benefit to the City and a major resource that will be called upon by many
local residents.
COll111ents:
Cecil Henderson: See attached notes. Have three more questions.
1. Having the basin adjacent to Pierce 100 - will that create some social
problems? How will it be set up?
Norman Bie: Welcome any suggestions. Have in mind something like Lake
Buena Vista in Orlando. City's pipe is there and nothing can be done about
that. Could make a duck pond and landscape to make it as beautiful as
possible.
2. Relationship of proposed fill elevation to Pierce Blvd. How do you plan to
connect to existing slope along eastern side of your development?
Norman Bie: Left up to engineers to work out with City Engineering Department.
You have the lower level of the north boundary that would be at the same level
as Pierce 100 finger and the installation of the service road that would
parallel along there would have to be at whatever elevation would meet city code.
3. What is your initial proposal regarding the surface of this fill area?
Norman Bie: Fill that goes in would be seeded or sodded.
Roy Ayres: My only concern will be building permits and structures.
Norman Bie: They will be in conformity with city regulations.
Donald Meerians: Is the proposed access to cross from existing Pierce Blvd?
Norman Bie: Ves, where the curb cut is already installed.
D. Meerians: There is a median break at that point. I am not familiar with
access road you propose. '
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Proposed parking areas would be adjacent to buildings. Will be 2 lane service into
. road. Bay
Ave.
Bill Burchfield: I know this deals only with fill application at this time but
I do note that application refers to future docks. What will they look like
and how many.
N. Bie: Very unique. Perimeter dock on the outside of property line within
the property boundaries. Has batter boards between respective pilings. There
would be floating docks. There would be less than 100, probably somewhere
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Karen Wilson: Do you feel that you have met D.E.R.'s 'concerns and that they
will not object to filling this area?
Norman B1e: Ves. We have their complete detailed analysis and report and as far
as I know we have met every suggestion made by them.
Karen Wilson: What about the large number of birds that feed here?
N. Bie: Have taken a lot of pictures and have never seen but one crow picking
on one dead fish.
Karen Wilson:, How about the odor problems?
.N. Bie: There should not be any if the basin is cleaned regularly.
George Buhmeyer: Reserve mY comments until a later date when there will be a
proposal for buildingst docks, etc.
David Healey: What do you propose to do with the 2.84 acres of fill as it
relates to our land Use Plan Classification? I find it very difficult to
comment to the Manager unless I understand how this property is to be used.
Do you have a proposed site plan or description of what would go on that
2.84 acres?
N. Bie: Will not go to the expense of plan unless 1 am allowed to fill.
There will be a series of small buildings that would not be more than 3
stories with shops on the street level with residential type uses on the 2nd
and 3rd floors. Similar to lake Buena Vista in Orlando.
David Healey: Anything you do in the existing Al zoning district other than
boating, swTmming, fishing, or water related activities would require an
action by our Board of Adjustment and Appeals.
N. Bie: If aquatic land permits the use and installation of a Marina, does
that mean you can put only a place for the boats but no way to ~et to and from
it? Does this also mean no harbormaster office, yacht club, etc?
David Healey: When filled it will no longer be Aquatic Land under our Zoning
Ordinance. It will require an amendment to the Land Use' Plan and Zoning
Ordinance to place a designation on what is to become upland.
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that no buildings of a height greater than "X" feet will be put there.
David Healey: We have been asked by one of the County Commissioners to comment
on this application that is technically before the County. You previously
objected to the City taking a position on your proposal. 1 believe before the
City Commission would want to comment they would want an understanding of that
such comment is not object1onable to you.
N. Bie: One of the City Commissioners wrote a letter to the County criticizing
the whole plan without giving me an opportunity to present my side. I am not
. adverse, to comment as long as 11m not denied use of mY property.
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David Healey: I boliove wo all undm'stand the applicable legal premise in
that regard.
Paul Rettig: Thero is nn oxisting 12' water line available. Marshall Street
Treatment pTnnt is nlso available but no natural gas.
John Peddy: Energy impact deponds on final plans. See a possibility that
higher mas't boats would use thfs fftcflfty, thus eliminating the opening of
the drawbridge as often.
Mike Kenton: Just because you get a permit from tne County doesn't mean that
you can use this property in City of Clearwater. You may have to get an
opinion from City Attorney as to whether you will have to file for rezoning
or do what you want to under your aquatic plan.
Chairman Haeseker: Thanked Mr. Bie for making his presentation and a report
~l be sent to the City Manager.
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western terminus of Memorial Causeway.
Chairman Haeseker: The lease for this property will expire soon and we have
been asked by the City Manager to present suggestions for its use.
Ream Wilson: Could be used as a park, municipal building, office use, or
storage of maintenance equipment.
Chairman Haeseker: Could put lease out for bid.
John Peddy: Keep open as a terminus for transit system.
Paul Rettig: Use as western terminus. Some revenue source.
David Healey: Alternatives include park, office for marina, let out to bid
for private use, or public transit. Prime considerations should be income
generating use with adequate controls on use and design, while holding for
future public use, perhaps related to transportation.
George Buhmeyer: Beach library and expand Memorial Civic Center to take in
more revenue.
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and we are only getting $500 a month in rent. They own the building until
the lease expires. They must return the building back to us in good shape.
If we lease as a restaurant we should get a percentage of the profits. We
do not want to operate it ourselves.
Chairman Haeseker: Each time the lease is renewed they make promises but then
ignore them.
Karen Wilson: Agree with others. Good source of revenue for City. Public
facility second choice.
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Donald Meerians: Put out for bid.
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Roy Ayres: Commercial or revenue source.
Cecil Henderson: Change use of bUilding. Make more long term parking for
Marina and Memorial Civic Center. Reconstruct to City standards.
Recommendations to City Manager:
1. Attractive facility as entrance to the Beach
2. Income producing private lease
3. Park or library
4. Maintain future options for public use
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ITEM 7. Community Impact Statement/Preliminary Site Plan - Pre-application
review process.
. Cecil Henderson: Raise threshold to 1 million. Raise threshold for prefessional
. environmental review to 2.5 million. City will assist in environmental reviews
up to 2.5 million if areas do not involve environmental sensitive areas.
Karen Wilson: Pre-application conference. Developer be told and given a list
of departments and specify who they should talk to. Check list be sent out.
Ro res: Too much required to be shown on site plan. Should be used to
s ow"ma or items and require other sheets for details.
Donald Meerians: CIS no problem - always site plan. Developers never contact
us b~fore the R.D.C. meeting.
George Buhmeyer: Few ever contact us.
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Karen Wilson: Do not accept CIS if not approved by departments.
David. Healey: Do not put on agenda unless it meets requirements. CIS serves
its purpose but leaves a lot to be desired in a number of areas. Discussed
other needed amendments.
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'John Peddy: Enlarge scope on energy impact.
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Ream Wilson: When is money due on parkland dedication. Make clear determination
of when these' monies are due.
Paul Rettig: Who will have official copies of all the CIS statements.
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fha innall Haeseker: I return mine to Dave Heal ey ~
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ITEM 8. Proposed Outdoor Lighting Ordinance.
John Peddy: Page #1 of Ordinance, It h~s been estimated ~nd ~dded tn hy
Clty Attorney to show the citizens the actual benefit in terms of energy,
KWH savings, barrels of oii. Also. dollar wise per capita basis,
Section 7-2 and 7-3 were reversed. Sec. 7-3 would also recommend that the
fine be changed from $10.00 to $500, Should not cause any hardship on anyone.
Maximum level is 5 foot candles and lowest 1~. '
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Chai rman Haesek.er: Need to make recommendation to C;t,y Manager,
Cecil 'Henderson: Will people adhere to requirements of ordlnance?
John Peddy: They should. Security l,ight,ng exempt.
Cecil Henderson: Police Chief has tnd;cated that ltght1ng in parking lots and
areas around town hel p prevent crime. Would this ordi na'nee cut down the
lighting such that crime would increase?
John Peddy: No. 5 foot candles adequate.
Cecil Henderson: Does th_is cover existing ~s well as new l1ghttng?
John 'Peddy: That is correct.
Roy Ayres: Prior to adopt;-on we need to consider cost of enforcement,
determine fee adjustments, and budget revtsions, .
John"Peddy: . Two major features from where w~ste is comtng is burning of ltghts
during dayl i ght hours. This constitutes 50% of total wa'ste, Most 'of th_~
enforcement will be during the day, '
. Roy,' Ayres: What is the stQtus of federal and state regulations? Should
Clearwater try to blaze the trail?
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John-Peddy: Lot of interest shown from other cities.
Donald'Meetians: Does this apply to individual residents and also Christmas
lighting? Will this cause a problem to the Police?
John Peddy; Same hours apply - off at 11 PM. Lot of peop1e will call but
none of residential lighti~g exceeds the maximum lighting.
Karen Wilson: No comments~
George-Suhmeyer: No comments.
David Healey: Have attorney look at Sec. 6~2.. ~nten~ good, but may need to
be clarified. Appeal section should be reworked to make more explicit,
Motion made by Roy Ayres that John Peddy, Roy Ayres, and Bob Zinn prepar~ an
estimate of enforcement costs,' that John Peddy incorporate whatever amount of
changes have come out of,this meeting and that package consisting of revised
draft ordinance and the cost factor be brought back to the ROC for their
consideration prior to a recorrrnendation 'to the City Manager,
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Seconded by George Buhmeyer.
Meeting adjourned at 4:35 PM.
Approved.
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