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RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
City of Clearwater, Florida '
April 27, 1979
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MEMBERS PRESENT:
" E~z,abe~. Haeseker, Chairman
I', ,:" ~ke Campbell, Land Resources Specialist
" ,.", .',Mike ',Kento'n, 'Environmental Planner
. Don' Meeri~ns, Assistant Traffic Engineer
" ...Ce.ell Hez:tdorson,Assistant Public Works Director
J08. 'n.. Molnar, Fire Prevention Inspector
,~Joe Mandy; Assistant Utilities Director
.' ~oy,Ayre's, Buiiding'Director
'. Dave Hea.ley., Planning Director
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~f{:".<:'".. . Don.Alexander, Citizen
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fC/':" ""Mi.ke:'P~.roby, 'Assistant City Manager
.' Albert' Rogers, Citizen .
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,~t?:\/':.7,'::'-..9~orge' ~d~ox .. Representlng KTH Assoc.
c'];" ' ',' Elmo. Taylor.. . II II .. II
~<>'.>::': :::c;~a::.:\e,~,ce Peterson oM Represen'ting Prof. Busi,ness Complex
,i~~~~\:Lr"" ""~"~'"Ed ~~z~r, - 'RepreBe~ting u. S. Home Corp.
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~:~\:':. "':l:;'~.' Approval of Minutes of 4/13/79. Mr. Henderson moved for approval
~~i~:.:i':~i": /:1"\',~~,~~:t.ltes 'of April 13, . 1979. Dave Healey' seconded. Motion carried unanimous],y.
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~:M~;:~i>:',;' ;:', ~'~> Sta.tusRep9rt cn Clearwater' B 32? acre~.. Chairman advised the City Manager
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Mr. Butler preElentcd a. Inap,outllning the 320 acres,which was prepared by
the, Planning Department. This includes parkland donated by U. S. Home. It is
slightly less than 320 acres.
Essentially the plan is for it to meet the interim disposal method for the
treatment plant. Land west of McMullen..Booth Road was being, reserved, at least
in concept, for spray irrigation, if required. Mr. Henderson reported that
answers on effluent system will come soon.. and we will be able to determine if
there is a need for spray irrigation. Mr. Henderson stated it appears we will
be allowed to discha.rge excess into Briar Creek. Mr. Wilson expressed interest
in using the spray irrigation fields as soccer fields with prior approval of health
officials. Mr. Henderson stated they would not be available for such use at
this time. Currently being used as sod farms. Mr. Wilson would like to see
joint usage. Mr. Butler reported one other suggested use.. industrial property.
There is a large group of people in the City who believe the best use would be
to reserve a large portion of the property for major industrial sites.
Mr. Shoemaker and Mr. Butler have discussed, on a long..range basis, converting
spray irrigation fields on east side in combination with coo struction of golf course
on both sides. Possibly using in conjunction with spray irrigation and golf course
and industrial use.
Mr. . Wilson suggested possible joint-use venture with Countryside High School.
Have $175,000 for a 80ftball complex. The School thought perhaps the rest of the
money could be redirected into tennis courts or some other use on the School
property. Referring to savings incurred by use of school facilitie s.
Mr. Wilson further suggested Mr. Ron Garl be brought back in for recom...
mendations on building a golf course on both sides of the road. Mr. Wilson
asked for input on recreation open-space land. Mr. Butler informed the Com-
mittee that the new Charter indicates that once land has been tabbed for recreation
U8C, must schedule a referendum to change the designated use. Mr. Butler stated
that evel'ything west of road, exchding parkland dedicated by U. S. Home3 suggested
. for industrial use.
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Mr. Henderson indicated the engineers are especially interested in the eastern
portion of the la.nd. Looking for expansion capabilities of the treatment plant.
Mr. Butler suggested a. committee be created to propose development alternatives
for this land, to be accomplished in a relatively short time.
Chairman requested Mr. Henderson, Mr. Mandy, Mr. Wilson and Mr. Healey
serve on the committee with Mr. Mandy serving as Chairman.
Mr. Wilson .again indicated his interest in pursuing idea of using fields for
soccer ~ need. to check with Health officials, check with Phil Janocha to determine
bis . a che dule , and work around agreement on sod.
Mr. Butler asked the committee include short...term and permanent alternatives;
on' both side s of the road.
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3. (cant.) Townhouse Complex. KTH Assoc.. developer; GeorRe p. Haddox.
Architectt Located northea.st cor.ner of Oberlin Drive and Sharkey Road.
Planning Director:
Preliminary Site Plan. Mr. Healev stated Mr. Haddox has taken iri;iat:ivQ
to respond to the problems and conditions set forth by the Committee and has
submitted revised plan addressing those problems. Mr. Healey stated the
plan has been revised in its entirety. Had only a few minor problems.
Mr. Healey stated the setbacks both from the lot lines and utility lines arc
incorrect. Some of the townhouses do not maintain 10' setback for rear property
line. The Utility 'easement running down center of property, if that.i.s the
rear property line of platted subdivision lot, it is required 10' from back of
each unit.to the property line. Mr. Haddox stated he believes these requirements
will be accommodated. Mr. Healey mentioned setback from the street ..... it is
a problem along front or one-way traffic aisle .... required setback of 15t. Does
not seem to be met in several instances. The second parking spa.ce does not
appear to be long enough without project:i.ng out into access easement, particularly
in northeast corner. Don Meerians will addres s.
Building Depa.rtment: Mr. Howard indicated no problems other than tho se
mentioned by Dave Healey. Mr. .Ayres discussed further the problem w. th setback
,and driveway dista.nce problems brought up by Mr. Healey.
Parks & Recreation Director: No problems.
Mr. Healey stated question of RPD was raised last time. Since talldng about
less than an acre, do not believe could hold him to letter of the law. Would be
willing to support waiver. Mr. Wilson indicated no problems with this.
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Mr. Alexander: Stated his opinion that the tree situation had been handled
very well and with minimum of destruction. No problems.
Assistant Public Works Director: Submitted list of comm.ents from engineers.
'(Attached) Indicated he had discussed concerns with Mr. Haddox earlier. Made
comment regarding new hydrant shown on east side of East Driveway - should be
on 8" line on south side of Sharkey Road. Deferred to Fire Department. Mr. Haddox
. stated that Mr. Rettig had requested it be placed there because of blow-off.
Mr. Buluneyer ha.d previ:ouely indicated he might ask for another.
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Mr. Henderson stated 10' easement required for sanitary sewer line; 20' ingress
and egress and water main easement required around perimeter of property;
retention and drainage will be required in design of final construction plans.
Engineers are sa.tisfied at this time.
Assistant Traffic En~ineer: 18' roadway required.. only shows 121. Mr. Healey
previously touched on some of the others. Some pa.rldng a.reas are not long enough
without encroaching on driveway areas.
Fire Inspector:' Inquired whether Mr. Haddox had spoken to Mr. Buhmeyer
1"e: vehicle access. Mr. Haddox indica.ted he ha.d. Mr. Molnar stated the additional
fire hydrant on west end would be pla.ced in there by the City. No furthe r problems.
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Environmental Planner: Indicated problem with trees on east side particularly.
Will be pretty much wiped out. Suggested take one garage north of 2.4' oak on leCt
a~d push out a.s far as possible. Would help considerably. With regard to the ono
on the south, possibly that space. (parking) could be ren )ved south of the southern..
most building. ~sked that developer work with situation as best he can. Mr. Kenton
realized a crowded sitution exists. Mr. Haddox stated he is anxious to save as
many trees as he can. Mr. Alexander .1.greed with Mr. Kenton's point; however,
pointed out there are tree6 which cannot be saved. No further problelns.
Land Resources Spe,cialist: Mr. Campbell stated Mr. Kenton had covered
his concerns. One other suggestion in the case 0:C 2 - 24" oaks along driveway,
might consider bricldng to give the trees a better chance.
Assistant Utilities Director: Suggested 2 - 4" water lines be rm. de 211 PVC.
Mr~ Haddox agreed. Mr. Mandy stated one fire hydrant should be on 8" line.
Assumed these would be sold as individual lots with trash pick-up on an individual
basis.
Mr. Healey questioned whether situations could be addressed adequately
if. coinnuttee were to enteJ:tain a variance to the setback on the rear. Mr. Haddox
stated he only had one really tight spot, up at the top. Mr. Haddox believed
'he can satisfy the city on the backing problem with a larger scale drawing.
Discussion followed with end result being the Conunittee could not approve
plan without concerns being satisfied on roadway. Cecil Henderson moved
to' delay the approval of the preliminary site plan for Townhouse Complex,
KTH Associates, for two weeks to see if develope1" could come up with final
resolution on the roadway problem. Seconded by Mr. Kenton. Carried
unanimously.
Mr. Alexander was excused from the meeting at this time.
4.. Pro!essional Busines F.I Complex; Earl Lokey and UPCO Postal Employees
Credit Union1 owners; located on the northeast corner of Cleveland Street
and ,Main Aven,ue.
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. Building Department. Mr. Howard stated he had not seen. Will come back
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Parks & Recreation Director. No problems..
Planning Directo1": It is a preliminary plat. No difficulties.. would make
a couple of suggestions. At some point, would be appropriate to note and limit
on the plat .the proposed points of acc'eS6 as to nwnber if not to specific location.
Tract I is substantially larger than needed; if contemplated to be divided further
at some point, would be more expe~tious to do 80 now. In CG district, no
required setback line. Suggest building setback line be shown. Worthwhile
. . in' terms of pinning down development. Mr. Peterson stated that Tract I will be
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',Q. deluxo professional office building. He advised developer is only planning
ono entrance off the street. Have not master-planned as yet. When pas8 the
prolinlinary sta.ge, will start master-planning and come back to City. Mr. Healey's
concerns were a.ddressed.
Mr. Peterson stated Tract II as he understands, will be an office. Mr. Healey
inquired whether Mr. Peterson had any reluctance to taking note of setbacks
with respect to bank, and maintaining continuity. Mr. Peterson.. no concerns.
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Fire Inspector: No problems.
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Assistant Tra.ffic Engineer: Requested access be located as far away from
intersection of Cleveland and Main as possible. Mr. Peterson stated he would
. be working with Mr. Meerians on this. Right now in preliminary design stage.
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Assistant Public Works Director: Informed Mr. Peterson that the moratorium
is still on at the East Plant. Unsure whether the Sanitary Sewer connection s will
be made from this. Prefer not to take up sewer connections more than once.
Will not delay Mr.' Henderson's approval of this preliminary plat.
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Mr. Henderson moved for approval of the preliminary subdivision plat for
. Professional Business Complex, Earl Lokey and UPCO Postal Employees
Credit Union, owners; Mr. Mandy seconded and the motion carried unanimously.
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5.. Tract 59, Countryside. U. S. Home Corp. (owner); located on the northwest'
corner'ofMeadow Wood Drive and Countrvside Blvd.
Preliminary Site Plan.
Assistant Public Works Director: Submitted written cOmn1ents. Storm
drainage systems appear to be well organized. Control structure at Southeast
corner will require direct connection into the storm system. Concerned about
. . ditch along Countryside - may ask to be piped. Logic on drainage easements
relates to make sure your development here cannot stop sewage from another
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Assista.nt Traffic Engineer: Concerned about medians a~ access points.
Haven for advertising and pa.per vending machines. Mazur agreed to eliminate.
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Fir~ Inspector: Inquired whether still maintaining RM 20 zoning.
Mr. Mazur stated that is what is shown on site plan. Had hoped to get
comments from:everyone to see if taking care of problems.
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inquired whether the ly...out have now would have to be revised if they ask fOl'
rezoning. Mr. Molna.r indicated it would. Need at loast 2 additional hydrants.
Mr. Molnar stated tha existing fire hydrant on Meadow Wood Drive would suffico
could prove their would be no fences.
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be set back more from the retention ponds. Would prefer 1088 coverage.
There are no areas of major open space except area in conter. Mr. Kenton
also sta.ted he realized what the developer could do with this property under
current zoning. Mr. Kenton's opinion is that if ever there were a pla.co to
C?luster, this would be it.
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advised that Mr. Kenton had covered problems he had.
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.Assistant Utilities Director: Comm.ent 1'e: water - asked that 8" line in upper
right hand corner be extended. Assume will be indi vidual lots with individual
garbage pick up.
Plannin~ Director:
Mr. Healey stated he had talked with Mr. Mazur and Mr. Thornton re:
2ioning. It is RM20 - up to 20 units per acre. Quirk is that the duplex
units permitted only in accord with RM12 standard. Mr. Healey suggested
applicant entet1ain idea of rezoning to RPD J giving City flexibility to conside l'
product on own merits. Mr. Thornton is amenable to rezoning.
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Suggested line up drives with Masters Drive; one through loop be a public
: street~ ,dedicated, provide for continuous arrangement through Countryside.
, Given this arrangement where roads are not platted, separation distances,
jU?'taposition of buildings needed.
, Building Departmen~: Mr. Howard clarified issues relating to design
of units) lanaisJ ~rage8. Clarified that no individual pools are contemplated.
Questioned whether anticipated fencing. Mr. Thornton stated they have been
asked to supply split rail fencing along major highways .. our intentiOl is to
prohibit other types of fencing.
Mr.' Howard pointed out a liCit unit blatantly not conforming to 15' setback.
Mr.. ,Mazur stated that is the Florida Power easement. Mr. Healey inquired
whether .U. 5_ Home had included the Florida Power Easement in meeting open
sp'ace requirements. Mr. Mazur stated they had not.
Mr. Healey stated that in discussions Vii th Ed Mazur and Bob Thornton
concerning RPD, suggested that once they brought to the City Commission and
.. the RPD plan approved along with zoning change, that at that point in time,
could receive or enterta.in requests for clearing and grubbing permits for
constru,::,.tion plans for road and utility construction. Obviously, could not
draw permits, but some of the preliminaries could be entertained. Mr. Henderson
inquired when do they expect to develop to which Mr. Thornton advised immediately.
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Mr. Healey recommended that the applicant be advised tha.t we ~u1d enterta.in
l' request for rezoning RPD and that revised plan be submitted in accord with that
RPD designation, that would consider which public streot to connect with Masters
Drive at its intersection with Meadow Wood Drive and Intercott Road in its
intersection with Countryside and in preparing a better combinaHp.ndfor recreation
and open space ar,ea.si to be a.ccompanied by all of the detail4i5y. Eb~ Building
Department, locating actual buildings to be constructed. Mike Kenton seconded
for discussion. Mr. Meerians stated he would not like to sec a public road
with this alignment. Mr. Henderson indicated his disagreement with the motion.
Mr. Henderson asked Mr. Healey if he would consider revising motion by deleting
road. Mr. Healey withdrew the motion in its entirety.
Mr. Healey moved to entertain an application to rezone to RPD with appropriate
density designation and tha.t the RPD Plan be submitted to us for consideration
and would urge the applicant in resubmission to consider relocation and construction
. of recreation areas and the units which would appear to back ihto required setbacks.
Bob Howard seconded. Discussion followed. Roy Ayres a.sked that developer
submit building locations, needs setbacks and spacing. Mr. Henderson
stated he does not understand that being a part of the motion. The motion
was amended to reflect that the revised plan will include sufficient information
to allow the Building Department to determine placement of buildings.
. Mr. Mazur asked for clarification. Mr. Ayres asked developer to give
Building Department the minimum. Motion carried unanimously.. Mr. Kenton
and Mr. Henderson, reluctantly. Mr. Mazur asked whether that would take
care of the fir'e hydrant problems. .Mr. Molnar stated it would, technically.
,Would need additional hydrants and 6" line.
6. Discussion - Florida Power Transmission Line Network"
Chairman informed the Committee that this item came before the City
Commission at its last meeting. Presented by Florida Power. Line would
go from north to south within the County. Committee is asked to review
the meandering route through Clearwater. Cecil Henderson has been asked
to present to the Committee. Requesting suggestions to straighten out.
Mr. Henderson stated he has a letter from Florida Power. In essence,
purpose of line is to meet the long-term emergency needs of Pinellas County.
Need to'do a nwnber of things to upgrade present system. Will be :n nning
. through ~he City 01 Clearwater; poles will be rather large - 32" butt, 1251 ta.ll.
In order to be able to serve the future, mus t expand present system.
Mr. Henderson presented a map of the proposed route. Following Betty Lane,
down to Pa.l.1netto; Palmetto over to Greenwood Avenue; Greenwood to Lakeview;
Lakeview to Highland; down Highland to the Largo sub..station.
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Question was raised as to why they do not just go down Highland. 'Mr. Henderson
state'dthere would be rig'lJ.t.,of-way problems. Also there is possibility of future
Widening of Highland Avenue.
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The route chosen is tho least costly according to Mr. Henderson. Alternatives
are sought by this discussion. Even though not a totally direct route, may'be best
under circumstances. Existing line would be removed.
Mr. Meerians stated placement of poles sometimes cause sight problems.
An alternative would be to go underground according to Mr. Henderson= however,
would have to place polos in oil bath because of the heat= means a pretty large
pipeline and thon placement of stations to make Bure oil is kept in there.
If not, there are problems. Oil bath line costa 10 times as much. Consumer
will pay.
Chairman stated this may require a C.l. S. = Mr. Healey stated that technically
he is not sure a C. I. S. will be required in this instance.
The only problem anticipated by :Mr. Henderson is that with placement along
Greenwood, they plan to place the palos along private easements. Later, if
went to widen roadway, will ha.ve to pay for moving the poles. Will try to
stay inside our rights..of..way where possible because of the expenses.
Approximate 51 x 5' piece of land is required for each pole.
Mr. Wilson asked why poles could not be placed on Florida Power easement.
Mr. Henderson stated there is currently a line down east side of the County.
Thi,s will be a line on the we st side. Will be able to service the County from
either direction if something happens. As it is now, if the transmission lines
were cut, whole south county would be out of power. This is an auxiliary line.
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Mr. Healey" looking at from the prospective of the land-use plan, why not
Missouri Avenue rather than restricted residential area such as Greenwood?
Chairman shared Mr. Healey's concerns. Mr. Henderson stated would be
conBidera~ly cheaper this way for Florida Power. On Ivli.sBouri Avenue, a
large, portion of the right..of..way used for widening. Mr. Healey stated
that if had to go on Missouri, would be private land therej presumably would
. not require cost to City of moving the poles at a later da.te.
Mr. Henderson stated another concern would be public out..cry.
Mr. Ayres conunented on CnBG money and land with intended use of
these monies. In Mr. Healey's point of view, less negative impact along
.Missouri Avenue. Would not particularly worsen the area. In an area
where have residential streets, would be stark feature.
Chairman suggested presenting these comments to the City Manager and
advise him we are more,fhan willing to speak to Florida Power officials.
Chairman eC,pressed her opposition to the Greenwood Avenue route.
Mr. .Henderson inquired whether conunittee would be willing to call a special
session if necessary. Stated two weeks may be sufficient - may not have to
call special meting. Would like to slow Florida Power down on development
and construction if a.ppears that wdre contemplating changes.
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(Florida,Power) alternative'routes. Mr. Henderson will contact them and will
~,,:'advige ~'a~ tho'Committe~ WiiJ.,accominodate them.
. ", ,The meeting adjourneda.tj12:45 p. m.
, ',Mr.~enderson .called the' meeting 'back to order for short period in order
to recognize'~at Mrs. Hae,seker ha.s been appointed Assistant City Manager
fo~ Oper'atio'ns' replacing Mr. . ~ke Pal;oby..~ommittee wishes to congratdate
'1;ler on ~his' a.ppointment. .
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