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03/23/1979 '. ' 'Ih". . .... ~ I :.' < .' ~ , " ~ .' , ", ,."<.;,,:~;,,;'~,, "i , " I 'T ' n ,-...... > , , , I," " ~ ' . I . . " . " . ~ J RESOURCE DEVELOfMENT COMMITTEE MINUTES City of Clearwator, Florida March 23, 191-9 <:-.... --- ., MEMBERS PRESENT: ~ I. rI) \ . ," . ,",. ~.. :.' ( ,. .:., Ellzabeth Haeeeker, Assistant to City Manager and Chairman Paul Rettig, Utilities Director , David Healey, Planning Director Don Meerians, Assistant Traflic Engineer Don AleXander, Citizen George Buhmeyer, Fire Marshall Cecil Henderson, Assistant Public Works Director Mike Kenton, Environmental Planner Mike Campbell, Land Resources Specialist Ream Wilson, Parks and Recreation Director Joe'Mandy, .A ssistant Utilities Director .' " OTHERS: , Art Kader, Assistant Parks and Recreation Director Gary Freed and C. A. Peterson (Chateau Wood Ch,arIes Rutenberg and Lane Showalter (Rutenberg) LouiS Norwood, Dan Massuro, Pete Monroe (Sun First National Bank) Gwen Hollander (Jo Go, Inc.) Charles Hillebro Larry Ezelle, Mr~ Seaton , Bob Thornton Ed 'Mazur T.'D.' Hawkins, Planning Department : Tom Franques, Gene Knippers, Ken King (Bennigan1 s Restaurant) M~etilig called to order by Chairman Haeseker, 10:05 a. m. City Hall, Item 1 .. Approval of Minutes of March 9, 1979 Third Floor. ,', Mr.. Rettig - correction of minutes, page five under his comments concerning the 1211 , ,lin~ should read II does not want to be restricted to a 12tt linen. Mr. Buhmeyer _ cO,rrection to page nine under his comments to read "i! do not go to electric engines" Motion to approve as amended by Cecil Henderson - approved, seconded, carried unanimously. , , Item 2, Chateau Wood, Subdivision Plat (Resubmittal) 'Assistant Public Works Director: Mr. Henderson advised that he had met earlier , V;ith ,the Chateau Wood people with re'gard to the private road and the Engineering 'Departlnent1s concerns of ownership and ma.intenance. Mr. Henderson spoke with . t! , " ,'tf;tl " ," :; ~c:~: , ~. 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Mr. Henderson disagreed with the City Attorney's comment on this -... ,you can put it in as a private road .... 80 no definite decision regarding the road has been made. Mr. Henderson stated he felt strongly about this and did not feel that he could approve the plan until he felt that the City was protected in this matter. Dave Healey, Planning Director The three options identified at the last meeting -- (1) platting of lots to the center of the street, (2) installing the street as a public street to meet full City standards, or (3Jn~osting of some security that would give the City the assurance we are looking for -- R8..~f the three, and only one,had to be met.. Discussion was held. Mr. Freed spoke to Mr. Healey's comments. Chairman Haeseker: Reviewed for the Board the motion that was passed at the last meeting. Mr. Henderson: Stated he did not see any need to go into it any further .' and moved that the matter be deferred to the next meeting, deny with prejudice in order to n:tove along. Discussion on Mr. Henderson's suggestion of motion was held. Ream Wilson, Parks and Recreation Director Mr. Norman Seher and I met with Mr. Freed. Mr. Seher felt the purchase price could be used as the base of the contribution - .46 acre. Arrived at a figure of $5,000. Paul Rettig, Utilities Director Asked if Mr. Freed had the answer on the sewer problem. Discussion was held. Don Alexander, Citizen Stated he thought after all the discussion he had heard so far that too many ;queations remained unanswered and he felt that the Committee was not in a position to go forward with a recommendation for approval. Mike Kenton: Environmental Planner Questioned the setback and the retention pond - may not have enough room for a pool. Dave Heale~, Planning Director Discussion on setback line, designof' the road, zoning. Replied to Mr. Freed with . regard to one of the three options - would in inappropriate to !pend time, energy of Planning Dept. until they indicated which option they would prefer. .... .:.'1-' 'I"" ,.' ( '. 'J' "')""'''''1 "'",.~.,>....(.. 'I "....,.t...d",. "..".........,,""{," . <', ' (, '-t.<. ,",...."...,'J,...~ :';'(0 ' ,."\~,::,, ":.', i' , . :::''}\'~:l{;'}:):.:;t:~ ;:!!;~:;;~;:::"S:'[,\;~~~ j{:i~;1';o:;;i;':~~,:::;'i'~1~i,..': ' ':;"'" ,..',,'; " """ ". ' :; i':";l!.i'\'\~:i"!:;;;i.iffi:::~je;; . . "I" '.' . . .. ~ \ : I' 0(. .' \ ,/ " : ',' ",:~" : : , .' . . ,. J :".: ,'~.', \ 'I. ~. : i :. . . " ,I' .c 'j ~ ~ ," ~.: I . 1. :', , . . .' . Y.~. T' .... ~ :." , ,. . f~ .....- Page Three Resource Development Committee Minutes March 23, 1979 At this point Mr. Peterson spoke and stnted he believed he could work this out to the satisfaction of one or the three options. Mr. Rettig moved to coninue the matter until next meeting but if Chateau Wood does not come to prepared to meet one or the three alternatives that the Committee dlsapprove. Chairman Haeseker requested that the information be presented to the Committee from the Chateau Wood representatives .. prior to the meeting so that the Committee can be inIormed as to what has been worked out. Mr. Peterson requested that when the information was presented to the Committee that they then be placed on the !ollowlng agenda. Mr. Rettig I s motion seconded, carri-ad unanimously. Item 3. Sun First National Bank Planning Director: Mr. Healey's concern that there remain a 50' piece of land west of the site proposed to be used by the Bank and that this property be limited to use by either ) , . the Bank or shopping center use has been taken care of. Land Resources Specialist: Mr. Campbell's concern with the oak tree has been taken care of. Parks and Recreation Director: No comment Environmental Planner: Mr. Kenton discussed the 51 landscaping required in front. Stated he could support a variance. Assistant Traffic Engineer: Mr. Meerians discussed the parking spaces, islands . being 24' and the access being right turn in and right turn out. Discussion was held. Utilities Director: Paul Rettig stated if they put up a sign - right turn only - they have met their obligations. eo' . Don Alexander. - No Conunent i . ~ . ,'':', Fire Marshall - No Comment Parks and Recreation Director - No Comment ... ',' (: '. ( .~~' H c ;i, . " . ~~:'" ;...., k:::,[ ',' . if ; ~ ~f~' . II:; ~.: j ~''>. ,; :'~ Assistant Public Works Director: Mr. Henderson discussed the drainage retention Mr. Henderson moved approval of the Preliminary Si~e Plan subject to their meeting the requirements of the current City Ordinances, seconded, carried unanimously. Item 4, Tract 90, Countryaida, U. S. Home Planning Director: Mr. Healey - submitted a copy of letter written by Mr. Edward Mazur. Letter addresses the requirements previously stated.. copy of letter attached to minutes. ",::~~';;';:./.I;::;'5.,;~ <".~..:.':: [~~'.?::':\}\;'''\':''''; ."::;: ~':"?/ .::~,;:...:;;::I,: r.",,',:,.;. ~:.::.::. ::-.. :',;',' .;.;:, . :. \. ':',::,;.;.: \';'. 1....'." , ,'" \:. .. . \ , ' I"; "" , ',," "-'d, -", .., ", , . ' "T" ':~ : ' "". : l:':,~,.,; i ,l ~::~'0,;1.';.i'I.i"i;','.!..:.,1.:'::'i,}1,.,1.;i:..::,j..',:...;l!{::;n: .'. ,,:",',.' . .',; ;';1:;,:,,: .'. ...::: <::/>:.'. . '.',", , . .i' ' , " :....., ..L:::.j".1. ,.:.. ,r....>." : T .;,.~. I .. .',' ,: i,l, , 0',.,1, .... .'.:' " . ~ ", ::. - I" ~.. ~ '.'~ ~\.:~ " ' I'. ~ .- ~". :.':" .', '.' ,. . ' ,:". ',' . .S ~ . i " " " ,~">).~.:::\.i<,;.';~' , :'.IN:Wi';''I- , . 'J" I '~I)' i . I ..j. : ~"':>/.::'~\/: I " . ');. '. I". . : ~~'.> .' ..' ~. : ~. . """ " , !,i. , 'J \...~ 1: ,.~ I . '. ~1:. ..:. ,'. .~ ; C,. " ~.:l,..l. ':.~,..~~lc. {'c' ~; . '~, 4' . , ., .. J . . .)f. ~ . . . ........ 11'':1 ':. ," "', {'{;':. ", \0 I ' /.,.,'. "', ,J'l, ""',t. :.1 '~ ~ \ '....' 1. I I,' :.,'" "\" '1\ ;j -" \~ \,' ~ J . -t '1-~" LI....\" ", '. . ,.-..... ",-. 1 . Page Four Resource Development Committee Minutes March 23, 1979 Mr. Healey made suggestions - look at lots 120 - 134 and reduce sharp curve angle and asked Mr. Meerians to comment on this and as to whether we have all the right- of-way needed for Northbridge because that is going to be a principal collector through the subdivision and connecting through to Curlew Road and County Road 90 and l{ that shouldn1t have the 80' right-or...way. Discussion was held at this point with regard to the roadway width, standard City street, traffic count and Mr. Meerians was to check with Mr. Crawford, Traffic. Engineer, {or his opinion regarding the width of the street. Land Resources Specialiat: Mr. Campbell stated that a letter was received on the 13th and answered his questions. Cla:rify the situation that a tree permit was needed for the removal of citrus trees. Parks and Recreation Director: Mr. Wilson stated his main concern was on the 10% dedication - 8.2 ::.f.cres. Discussion was held with regard to the 10% dedi"cation .. they are giving us 4.28 acres of land, 4.02 acres .. $9,000 money but above this they are retaining the water in city lake. Need to work out what value that retention is over and above the 10%. Mr. Wilson is to get with the. developer and work this situa.tion out. \ Fire Marshall: No comments Utilities Director: No comments , The developer felt he could work out all concerns of the committee and asked to be heardata future meeting. 'Further discussion was held with regard to the draina.ge, stubbing out to the edge of . the road for sewer flond water as well as what the City would pay regarding the stubbing. Motion was made to codinue, seconded, carried unanimously. Item 5, Jo Go, Inc.., Preliminary Site Plan Assistant Public Works Director: Mr. Henders.on felt that all his questions regarding this particular project had not been answered. Felt that until some type of professional was involved to give the committee these answers that he could not approve, the plan. Land Resources Specialist : Mr. Campbell stated he had visited this type of amusement .facility on Ulmerton Road - did not find any signs of pollition but would find the noise of the engines themselves to be objectionable. If gas engines were used felt he could not approve the plan. ~ ,.-1.... Page Five Resource Development Committee Minutes March 23, 1979 Environmental Planner: Mike Kenton was concerned with oil, greas e, lead as well as other various heavy metals in the drainage system. Diocussion was held.' Chairman Haeseker: Addressed the Committee asking if they felt they had enough information with regard to this project to make a judgment and if their questions had been answered to their satisfaction? Mt. Henderson moved that the Committee deny the application - if necessary send it to the Commission with that recommendation. niacussion wa s held on the motion. Motion seconded and carried unanimously. Chairman Haeseker then explained to Mr. Hollander that this recommendation would be sent to the commission and that a copy of the agenda item would be forwarded to him when it appears belore the Commission. Mr. Hollander then expressed his desire to withdraw hie project at this time. 1\ Item 6, Northwood Apartments, Tract D, Resubmittal Preliminary Site Plan Assistant Public Works Director: Mr. Henderson discussed the l'etention pond, . as well as other items - see attached list of comments. Utilities Director: Mr. Rettig discussed easements for the water,; pdssible easement tor extension for an 8" water main to serve the parcel to the north in order to have the ability to loop through to State Road 580 at a future date. A meter to the recreation area marked as s/8n should be 1". A sked for another 8" gate valve to be installed in the au water line for segregation part of the system. Questioned the placement of dumpsters.' Fire Marshall: Mr. Buhmeyer stated he did not want the dumpsters setting on top of the hydrants! No further comments Assistant Traffic Engineer: Mr. Meerians requested that aprking spaced that come together on the northwest corner of the parking lot be extended to ZO' depths. Environmental Planner: Mr. Kenton stated that although improvement has bean made in the plan that he could not support, philosophically, the site plan despite the fact that it has major improvements. Lengthy discussion was held at this point among the members of the Committee as well as the developers. The economics of the property and the project were discussed as well. Land Resources Specialist Mr. Campbell questioned the grate shown over the road crossing - defeat the purpose of the retention pond? Stated that the clump of trees existing by the lake -' that area would have to be surveyed when a tree permit was applied for. Planning Director: Mr. Healey basically agreed with Mr. Kenton and his remarks. :{'4r. Healey pointed out that all of the minimum requirements oI the code for the RMZ4 .. district have been met but he believed there was another dimension above and beyond . . the minimum. Discussion was held. '. "....... ..~,..~",_' e ,~ , i n , . Page Six Resource Development Committee Mlnutds March 23, 1979 Mr. Charles Rutenberg spoke to the Committee - rebuttal with regard to site plan, economics, the pieces of property abutting the Northwood Apartments - Tract D and, the plans involved. Mr. Charles Hillabo spoke to the Committee - Does not think the developers are being fai.r to the City. Restrictions clearly say - recorded in OR Book, 309, pages 66-67 - that a complete and acceptable individual community impact statement will be presented with the site plan with each tract in order to properly locate retention ponds, control excavation and filling, and insure prope-. setback from all natural drainage areas and a:dequa~ely":.aBsess environmental impacts related to proposed developments. Mr.'.'Hillabo spoke to the belief that Mr. Rutenburg was not dealing with the City fairly. Discussion was held. At this point Mr. Henderson spoke stating that the fact remains that the City r 8 regulations set forth for the development oIland in Clearwater have been met - minimum requirements and for that reason he was going to have to move for approval of the site plan. Motion seconded. Discussion - Mr. Healey stated he agreed and he felt awkward not being able to support a plan that been worked on very hard but he could not help believing that the committee served some additional purpose above and beyond reciting the minimum restriction of the code and reviewing and passing on a site plan. There is a need to look beyond the minimum requirements and exercis e our judgments and for that reason he could not support the motion. .>''\ ;:.\', Environmental Planner: Mr. Kenton stated he did not believe you could say they met the minimum requirements - I cannot support the motion because of the design - I have agreed that I will not contest this on environmental grounds - but I agree and share the same concerns that Mr. Healey has. . . ~ Ll~ .\ l' :). :~ . ~ ~ : 1 ~"l". r~\:~ 'l.- "'~~ ::1I ~ :,' v't. \ .\;i Motion of Mr. Henderson as stated a.bove was made, properly seconded - those in favor: . Henderson, Buhmeyer, Meerians, Rettig -.. those opposed: Campbell, Wilson, Kenton, Healey and Chairman. Motion denied. Meeting set for Mar.ch 29 at 2 p. m. if the developer can prepare material to present to the committee. (Note: See attached agenda material presented to the City Commission-meeting of April 5, 1979 - with recommendation - Disapprove the Preliminary Site Plan - and background information. ) !;(~.: I: . t'.. '. , .P ~ '~i ,; !,\ .1/.. '. . .' " Item 7, Benniganls Restaurant - CIS ';.' .~'~,' .' .~.:\. ."'" I ?;t f,:,.: ....... Assistant Public Works Director: Mr. Henderson -( note remarks attached) Mr. Hualey - stated his concern - application be made to annex that portion of the flroperty not located within the City as requirements of the City and County are different and excessive parking opaces. Stated he would provide the developer with a copy of his departtnent's remarks on market analysis. Discussion was held. Motion to approve C. I. S., seconded, carried unanimously. ,.. . ~...\ ~:\'; ')0-:'- ~~:( ,1" ~~~... Preliminary Site Plan i . ,;"e",' 'I' -;, .~ ....: ,\;'.' 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