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MINUTES
RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
City of Clearwater, Florida
JanU&l'Y 12, 1979
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add IIMotion carried.." A lnotion was made by Dave Healey and seconded by
Reaol Wilson to correct the nunutos of Novolnbor 17 as stated by Chairman.
The motion carried unanimously. Chairman then asked for a motion for
approval of the minutes as corrected. Eire Marshal Buhn\eyer so lnoved
and the motion was seconded by RoaIn Wilson. The motion carriod unanimously.
Chairman requested the following corrections be made on tho minutes ot
December S. Pa~e Two: near the top of the page, stating Rcoource Developmont
Comm.ittee meeting of November 11, correct date to November 1. 7; ?ago Five:
in the third paragraph stating motion was made by Mr. Kenton, seconded by
Mr. Rettig, to recommend approval of the C. I. S., add another sentence,
IIMotion carried. "; in the next to last paragraph, add the sentence, ItMotion
seconded and carried. "; correct the spelling of the word adjourned. .A motion
, was made by Mike Kenton to correct the minutes as stated by Chairman.
The motion was seconded by Mike Campbell and carried unanimously. Mr. Kenton
then moved for approval of the minutes as corrected. Mr. Alexander seconded
the motion and it carried unanimously.
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Chairman asked for corrections to be made to the minutes of December 22.
No corrections were ,noted and Dave Healey moved that the minutes of December ZZ,
1978, be approved as submitted. Mr. Kenton seconded the motion and it carried
unanimously.
{Continued) ... The Harbour - Condominium Complex - W. J. White and Frank J. Baker,
Jr.. Developers - Located on Sand Key East of Gulf Boulevard, just north of City
: Limits of Belleair Beach.
Comm.unity Impact Statement:
AsaistantPubUc Works Director: Stated that at the last meeting of the
Resource Development Conunittee, the developer was given a list of the Committee' B
concerns. Mr. Henderson asked that Mr. Lloveras' respond to those l'cquests.
Mr.. Lloveras noted that the new site plan reflects the relocation of the water line
which wa13 too close to the overhang. It was noted that the overhang cannot be in
',the vertical projection of the easement, and Mr. Lloveras pointed out that it had
, been n'loved.. Mr.. Henderson reiterated his concern on the egress and ingress
'for the access road and its being tied into certain property ownership requirements.
According to Mr. Lloveras, the north parcel on the site plan will have ingress and
egress for Harbourage Court.. The lot will be deeded in one homogenous parcel
so that Harbourage Court is the south parcel and not a separate portion of the
property. Mr. Henderson stated that his concerns had been satisfied. Mr.. Lloveras
further stated that he had prepared the legal description and documentation to show
that the sanitary sewer easement from the road to the first manhole is on the
" ' right-hand side of the plan. The requirement that sidewalks be 'one foot from the
',' ,property line, was satisfied. The easement required for that portion of the sidewalk
which was on private property has been coveredon the site plan. Mr. Henderson
agreed that he believed all problems had been satisfied as far as the engineers
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Parks & Recreation Director: No comments.
Fire Marshal: No comments.
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Mr. Alexander: No comments.
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ChaiTman then asked for comments from Bill Shepard. It was explained
that his purpos~ for a.ttending the meeting was for the training and learning
process and that he had no comments on the item.
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Building Director: No conunents.
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Utilities Director: No problems. The water main has been moved.
,Zoniuf];, .~dt.c'iunent1€lfficer: No comments.
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~fY' .:::~:n::::t::O::dP::b::::~val of the Community Impact Statement.
JX:~:';~,'~~~ "Mr.. Kenton' seconded.. The motion carried unanimously.
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;~:,' " Planning Director: Has reviewed the site plan, and clarification with respect
';'~\.,"'~:' to the set backs has been made. The 39' dimension meets the requirements of
\!;:;:-',: ,~. , the':ZoDing Ordinance.. The developer has also complied with the requi'rement
i;:'", " for':a: set back witl1 respect to the private street a.lthough it is no:t required. The
ii:'i\:>",.,,:,,'.4eveloper complies in all respects to Bet backs.. Mr. Healey further noted that
~i< ", , ' ~the ,developer has apparently met.iall requirements on the swimming pool
~ccordihg, to, the. new Coastal Construction Code~ Mr. Healey noted no problems
,W1tii>the site plan. The'marina. portion of the facility will be approved by separate
action'a.fter review by the Ma~ine Advisory Board and the Board of Adjustments
&: ~ppea1s. This will be by special exception.
Envfronnlental Planner: Noted that the catch ba.sin is also used for filtration.
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~8Bista.nt Public Wot'ka ~irccto~: Sta.ted he had no further problems with
thle site pla.n. The concrete sidewalk doce indicate that it ie a fllot off the property
lino; an easement will bo offered for that portion on private property, and it will
be on the construction plan. Mr. Llovera,a agreed.
Parks &t ~ecrca.t1on Director: No comments.
l['ire Marshal: Exprossed concern thai: apparently someone tried to obtain
a building permit without hh having reviewed the plans. Mr. Buhmeyer informed
Mr. Lloveras that he had only received the plans yes,terday. Mr. Lloveras assured
, the Fire Marshal that thie was not intentional. The Fire Marshal had no problems.
Mr. .Alexander: No comments.
Utilities Director: Noted that the detector check was ahead of the domestic
'meter. The Detector check should be behind the domestic meter. The water main
has been,moved.. No problems.
Zoning Enforcement Officer, &: Building Director: No comments.
Assistant Traffic En~ineer: Stated he had reviewed the underground
parking arrangement. The developer has agreed to move certain walls. No
further problems.
, Environmental Planner: Stated that he was under the impression that a
permit had been issued for the foundation. Mr. Blanton indicated this was a
correct ';Lssumption. The foundation permit wa.s issued at the builder!s risk.
If .th~ City Go;mmission does not approve the site plan, the foundation permit
becomes invalid. The builders are aware of this. Mr. Blanton further indicated
'tha~ this item came up at the Building Permit Review Committee.
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Mr. Alt stated that in order to ha.ve final building permit issued, they must
have the approval of the City Commiseion, and requested that this item be put
,on the agenda at the earliest possilie date as they are pushed for time on the '
estim~ted completion date. The Mortgage comnritments are tied to the estimated
completion date,; this has nothing to do with the current construction loan.
Land Resources Specialist: Discussed a ..;small pro~lem with landscaping.
';['here is one tree lacking on the southwest parldng lot. Mr. Alt addressed this
situation explaining that he had asked the landscape architect to call Mr. Richter'
of the Planning Department and explain that their intention is to exceed the
minimum tree requirements. The plan being reviewed is only,the architectts
'. rendering. ,. The ,landscape architect's plan should be ready by Monday.. and
the developer will get copies to everyone concerned in order that approval
may be obtained.
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The Chairman indicated that she had roceived a note from Mike Paroby.
Assistant City Manager, that he had no comments on this item.
Don Meerians moved for approval of the site plan. Mr. Rettig seconded
the motion and it carried unanimously.
Mr. Healey will attempt to get this item on the agenda for City Commission
approval on January 18. Mr. AU and Mr. Lloveras left the meeting at this time.
Mr. Konton asked for clarification of the procedure on issuing foundation
permits. Mr. Blanton indicated that before a foundation permit is is sued, the
Building Departme nt insists that a plan be presented. The pl~n is mostly
complete except for landscaping. The Building Department in this case had
been in, touch with landscape architect, and had been assured that the developer
would exceed the minimun'l requirements. This procedure gives the City an
opportunity to help Isomeone out by ena.bling~ tnem\ to- gomplete, thevrifinanciing. The
Code states, however, that if the City Conunissim does not approve the plan,
the, permit becomes invalid and the developer must make the change. The
builder/developer operates at his own risk and is aware of this factor.
Mr. Healey indicated that he felt this could prove:, to be a difficult situation
if ever put to the test of whether they are really operating at their own risk
or whether we actually gave them approval. He felt the City gets ahead of
itself when the' foundation permit is issued ahead of the site plan review.
Mr. Blanton further indicated that this was brought before the Building Permit
R'e,view Committee prior to issuing the foundation permit and that most of
,the Resource Development Con'lnlittee members also sit on the BPRC, thereby
, : having an opportunity to voice~~ems they may have. Mr.'.,.,HendGJ.".&.on.
ag-re-dd-with~-B1etnton-emi- ~~'!"eKen6.-t"~~anee~f,..th&&c' I
-pe-.mHe_ Mr. Blanton assured the group that his department touches base with
all departments before issuing these permits.
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Chairman handed out three sets of minutes indicating they would be
,discussed for approval at the next meeting.
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Estimated Costs to Review Community Impact Statements. Site Plans, &
Subdivision Plats..
Chairman opened the, discussion and expressed a desire to be consistent
in the determination of costs. The Gonunittee needs to decide whether coming
to the RDC meetings will be computed as a cost to the departments. In the
computation. it was decided to use an average meeting of two hours with
four agenda items per meeting.. Mr. Healey rec~mmended that the COlnmittee
recognize the coats involved in processing Cormnunity Impact Statements,
'but ea'tablish no fee. The C. I. S. is a l'equirement of the City. The developers
are providing us with information at their cost, for our use in our own individual
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endea.vors. Mr. Healey suggcst.cd that we solicit the information, but charge
no fee. Mr. Healey further suggested the site and subdivision plat review8 be
geared to a fee of $1 00 ~ $150 with the consideration of tying the fee to the
amount of acreage involved.. The Planning Depa.rtment's charge is keyed to tho
number of lots according to Bill Shepard. The Engineering Departmont chargc8
a fiat $5 per acre of development. The payment of these fees at the present
time is done at the time it is being recorded. Several applications fall through
be'fore completion.. It was suggestdd that some thought be given to collecting
fees on submittal. Mr. Healey indicated the fee pays for the City's review
time; there are no advertising costs. Mr. Healey will work up a memorandum
for the Committeet s review at its next meeting.
Priva.te Street Policy.
Mr. ',Healey advised the Committee that he felt there is a need to establish
polley, 'and to reinforce that policy, with some amendments, that would let
everyone know what the City expects with respect to street rights-of~way.
A Situation currently exists whereby a private street is being established
that does not have a right-oi-way other than the easement for public access.
At the present time, the City does not require any specific set backs because
of its being a' private street. The City needs to establish criteria dealing with
, , the length of street and purpose of the street. We{'need to Bet up different
Bet back standards for accessory buildings, e. g., garages, carports, etc.
,Mr. Meerians expressed concern that we may be stepping on the toes of the
"developers and questioned whether the City should be so involved. Mr. Healey
, " expressed concern for the protection of future population of the area. The
, ,quality of life that exists is now based upon the ethics of the developer and
enforcement by the City. Mr. Healey indicated that subdivision regulations
',now'sta.te that all private streets will meet City standards.. Each lot must
front upon a public street or road not less than 60' right-of-way width.
Utilities Director: Indicated his problems arise with easements for water
m'1iins, ~nd gas, if there. Also, has problems arise with garbage truck access.
Fire Marshal: Private streets are too narrow. With cars parked in
the streets, . service vehicles can no longer maneuver on them. There should
be a standard width of streets.
Parks & Recreation Director: Sometimes misunderstandings develop after
residents have been there for a period of time. The Parks & Recreation Depart-
, ment is then called for trimming of palms~ etc.
Assistant Public Works, Director: City Inay be called in to maintain the
streets. Expressed concern about the sta1il:ity of'the roads. Sight distance on
set backs within the development and perhaps even aligmnent of curves should
be considered. Concerned with street width first. Rights-of-way need to be
consider~d. How much should be reserved and left uncluttered?
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I:~{>, .. 'Plannin" Director: The Planning Department's concern relates to
~~Y,~::,." ',op'en space., ,The layout of the sIte plan ib the first concorn. Tho secondary
,>. , ,,' concern 1,s, on set backs. If it is a private streot, ther e is not. specified right..
t.:\<~. :', of-w~y. C'oncern was expressed about support structures, e. g., parking
~~\;;,:,: ' "garages; carports; etc. The Planning Department is also concern(td about
!~'~'>),.'.': back:;out".parldng. Mr. Kenton and Mr. Campbell expressed the same concerns.
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'AsBls'tant Traffic En~ineel': The Traffic Engineering Department is
concerned:about street width firsti should be 30' with parldng. The minimum
, shoUid :b~)24'. ' Controls on on-street' par1dng must be considered prior to
"", deteriDination of width.
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'~i.:::."., "..." Chairman Win prepare a list of the problems noted and distribute to the
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Minutes of the Resource Development Committee of January 1 Z, ' 1979.
Refere:nce page ,5.
Mr. Hende'rson spoke up in behalf of Mr. Blanton and the procedure he had
used; regarding:issuing the foundation permits. Mr. Henderson indicated
he was ainember of the Building Permit Review Committee and that
Mr. 'JUa:nt'onhad brought this ma.tter before the Building Permit Review
, Coinmitteefo'r 'comment and consideration. After discussion, the
, ' CoIrimittee 'recommended to Mr.. Blanton that it was their opinion that the cir-
: "cumstances' regarding this request warranted issuing the permit and suggested
. to Mr~ Blant,ontliat it would be appropriate. Mr. Henderson also pointed
out that,Mr. Blanton has no doubt been involved in more legal proceedings
,'relat:ed to ,buildings than any other person in the City, and that he should
and,doeshave a considerable concern for the issuance of such permits.
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