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11/09/1979 (2) f ~.: -:1;.< ,. c , '1 .r- . . ~~f/:' ': ' , , ~,;'::",:' ' >'1,:-'.', . ~t{t:r:~ >:~..~~: 'r , ~)~,.',:., . ;c , , i\..., ~".: ..' 1-;1<f~< c r il,l""", , 1""( " :I.t ' ~t~', ': ' f'''' ' ~i< ::;:: ':: "". \~::.:-' , ' I~ --. I *APPROVED AS AMENDED. HINUTES RESOURCE DEVELOPHENT COHHITHE City of C'curwatcr, Florida November 9, 1979 II I~EMBERS PRESENT: ElIzabeth S. Haescker, Chairman Max Battle, Director of Public Works/Engineering Roy J. Ayres, Building Director Ream Wilson, Director of Parks and Recreation Mike Calilpbe 1'1 land Rcsou rces Spec I a 1 1st Don Heerlans, AssIstant Traffic Engtneer George Buhmeyer, Ftre Marshal John Peddy, Energy Officer Paul ,Rettig, Utl1 Jtles Director David Healey, Planning Director j /./ ~. ',"" OTHERS PRESENT: All from florida Power 'Corp. N. G. Karay Clearwater District Manager Bob Gullzia Project Engineer, Transmission ,Joe S ka I a ' Sys tem P 1 ann t ng Russ Appel Senior Transmission Specialist Bill Weishaupt Transmission , The meettng was called to o~der by Chairman .Haeseker at 10:35 a.m. tn the Operations Center Conference Room. Hotionwas made by Mr. Campbell and seconded by lir. Buhmeyer to approve the minutes of October 26, 1979. Motion carried unanimously. I Mr.' Ayres moved to continue Item 2 on the Agenda (Holiday Inn Hotel, Clean~ater ,Beach) until ,the next meeting, which will be held on November 30, 1979. Seconded ,,'by Mr~ \yllson and carried unanimously. Anclote-larg0230 KV Circuit, Florida Power Corp. A Florida Power representative presented their plan to show their ne\., alternative routes for an electrical transmIssion ~ine across aeity park tocated along the south boundary of Counti"yslde Boulevard west of U. S. Highway 19. Mr. Battle stated he had visited the site and feels the route through the park Is "best from 'a ,safety standpoint. However, it would have to be done with the under- stan~ing that the City would have the tnallenable right for pedestrian traffic, parking, etc., other than permanent structures, wIthin that easement. The City must have free access from one side of the park to the other. Mr., Battl~ also stated that because the transmission tine is going by a sub- divIsion that' has been severely Impacted by Belcher Road, the Public Works 'Department feels that Florida Power should make a presentation to the Home Owners .~ssoclatJon of. Woodgate Subdivision as to the impact of the various routes. A repre~entattve from Florida Power stated there are two alternative routes~ namely~ coming down Countryside Boulevard or comIng across the park and down the back side of Woodgate Estates. Individual 'key maps were distributed showing ,these routes. '., , I / , /:, /" I ,,:', I', " , '. ':,L " November 9, 1979 . ~j .,~ ' f'; Resource Development Conuntttcc November 9, 1979 Page 2 ..-.-. Mr. Ayres had no comments. Mr. Wilson stated the City has already developed a 7 acre park nnd 2 acres recently donated by U. S. Homes glves the City a combined 9 acre park. The route through the park site bisects this 9 acre parcel. Woodgntc residents were probably more actively Involved In the planning of this existing pnrk than any other Association. Many residents participated In each of the planning meettngs. This week Parks and Recreation Department received a letter from the Home Owners Association of Woodgate Estates stating they had met Clnd are now making recommenda- t ions as to what they wou 1 d l' kc to have done w f th the add it I ona 1 2 ac res. Hr. WIlson saId his department Is considerIng a Neighborhood Recreation Center, a parking lot, and some additional recreational fact11tlcs. The Home Owners AssocIation has expressed a keen Interest In a swimming pool for the area. Hr. WIlson1s main concern with the llnc going through the park Is that it does not preclude any development. He feels that because the home owners have been so actIvely Involved that a presentation by Florida Power to their Association. show- ing them the alternatives and giving them an opportunity for Input, would definitely be in order. , " , ' Mr. Battle emphasized that neither this CommIttee nor the Home Owners Association would have the final decision in the matter; rather, It will be the decision of the City Manager. ~;" ' A Florida Power representative stated they had contacted the home owners, and there Is somc concern regardIng one of the routes coming along the back way. Those home owners immedIately affected by the line are the ones expressing concern. However, they have not expressed concern rega~dln9 the park property. Florida Power will get back to them on this subject. , .. ,r.-., ,Jf ".., , , ". ' I;' . <l:'. , ,,') Mr. Wilson questioned whether there was any possibility of the pole being located on the north property line. Florida Power stated they might be able to do this but would have to change the whole route along the property line at the Ramada Inn. Discussion ensued concerning the two guy wlres. Mr. Wilson stated he did not want the guy wires going to the west but proposed that guy wires to the north would not create too much of a problem for the park usage. ,l ."', Mr. Campbell observed that there did not seem to be any trees in the way of the line. However, he did question the line as It runs along U. S. 19 by Countryside Hall, as to whether Florida Pmrer had placed the linc1s position exactly on the ground at that point. The response was in the affirmative. Mr. Campbell asked if.there would be the necessity for any tree removal. Florida Power did not feel there would be, except for one possible baby tree at Countryside Plaza which might Interfere with pole location. Hr. Campbell iJsked how high the lowest \\lire on their service line would be. The representative stated that the total height of poles is lOS feet and that preliminary design along Highway 19 shows that wl~es will be approximately 48 feet above the ground at the lowest point. Nr. Meerlans questioned whether Florida Power required any clear distance between the poles and the parking, and they assured him they did not. Also, he que~tio~ed hO\\I close the poles woul_~ be to the pavement along State Route 580 and U. S. 19. ,Their plans call for it to go along private property Just 3 feet off R.O.W. '., " , '>,,', '. :>,. 'l, " .'/. , , , , ". " , .~ ", ~r, '.' ~ . ., :, ' , ' ~ ;.\", ': - 2 - Novembe,r 9, 1979 i........... . I r Resource OeVt! 1 opmen t Convll' t tee November 9, 1979 Page 3 I1r. Battle mentioned that \'/hcrc Count."ysJuc turns Into Oclc:hcr Road there is Q res t r1 c ted BlTOunt of room. 1.le \./ondc red how fa r uue k f ,'om the edge of the pilvernen t the poles \...ould be. Florida Power rapl led they ore tnlktng about putting the poles In the R.O.V. and routing the sJdcWillk around the poles. Mr. Buhmeyer had no COIl1l11cnts, but stilted he concurred \.,rJth \tJh<:lt had already been discussed. Mr. Peddy asked why the origlnul old r{.o.w. WilS not consJdered ilS a possible route. Florldu P~1er said that this 15 are-routing - It Is taking one of the circuits und mewing it over. I~r. Peddy questioned why they could not operute the two circuits with a single pole by doing the SDn~ thing. They stated that the problem they are trying to solve by rf::-routlng Is to move u. circuit out of a direct corrIdor so that It Is physically removed and sepa."ated. They said the problem Is that that corridor today is our only source of supply Into Plnellas County and It does not meet the load that we have In Pinellas County. The solution they have come up with is two-fold; namely, routing one of the existing lines out of the present corridor and also building the new western route. Mr. Peddy commented that In using the route going through the park from Florida Power's existing easement, they are asking for lq feet from the center line to the north and 16 feet to the south_ Yet, he noted, they come to an abrupt halt at Woodgate Subdivision. What is the reason? Florlda Power replied that they 'will have the pole face another dIrection while It is over that route. The power ,11 ne waul d be over the road I n the Sidney Cohen/Top of the \%rl d area and the pole would back up to the Woodgate Addition's back lot line. The pole would not be on the property line, but back up to It. Once it gets beyond the end of the existing easement, then the line Is changed by placing the insulators on the other side of the pole so that the line will continue straight. The pole in ,effect is changed over to the other side. 50, the pole virtually moves over 20 feet. The reason Florida Power does not r-equi re an easement in the Woodgate Area is 'that this power line Is over the street. The 30 feet they are requesting from Sidney Cohen will be sufficient because there is existing 12 feet of easement in the \{oodgate a rea. Question arose concerning possible dangers involved in a line on a playing field. Florida Power assured the Committee that they must comply with national electric safety codes, as well as have all proper clearances within a local area. Mr. Peddy stated he saw no need for granting an easement within a park area if it Is not absolutely necessary. Hr. Rettig said he wanted FforJda Power to be aware that there are exlstln'g water lInes and a well in the existing park and easement. As long as there would be n6 interference by Florlda Power1s construction, there would be no problem. They statcd,that prior to laying the poles, they would try to make contacts with indIviduals involved to be certain they would not tap fnto them. If they must, Florida Power would relocate. They would submit drawings of locations. " Mr. Healey wondered what the relationshIp is between this re-route and the western route, and Florida Power's representative said that In one aspect it is the same. They ,both solve the same problem, which is getting Independent sources of trans- mission, separated physIcally from other sources, Into prnellas County. The ), , ' ",' , ' ," : . ~ I ' , 'I' ; ~ '\ , ' , ~ , ' +1 t " J', :: ", ... t ~ ", ' (',; U1 ,.(.1 '. ... ClJ 0 ;, ~:5 td ~ :,',' ~ 0\.8 ~ . Q) C '~ !.j.i 0 ~ ,: . tIJ -iJ 'M ; 'J.(, :, ' '0 tIJ U) " 0 'tS'M IU :' 2i C' "ClJ~>' ',Q). 'M ~ ' ,.c: J.( .rf ~'.... O~..... !, '. ' C'''''ri ..~ bl').4 ~ " C'Q)4J, " >t'ri .d Pt ~:O) It) 4J Q) ; M, c:: n$ 0 ,CU Q) ~ 0 Q) a '.\ "' ' ;' tQ: a .4-i ': 0 ~ U) :,: 't1 0 .a o4J , ,,'n ,on ;'~4J ,~' Mr. P~ddy wondered whether it was necessary to add the $800,000 cost to people's , tts' 0 'tJ\'H : c c dO' rates, and felt thIs should be consIdered in the granting of an easement. '" " ,,'or-!' :,',~'~~o~' A'motlon was made by tire Battle, seconded by Hr. Rettig, to approve the concept (~,~'&m of the transmIssIon Hne going through the City park subject to the understanding ~:~'4.Jt'~.Q' that weare in no way restricted from pedestrian traffic or par~Hng In this ,,'S::: ri. <IJ easement;' that the actual easement given is 't,orked out to have the least impact ;d!1CJ~'fi' possible,on 'the park; and, if it goes through the park, whoever designs It,.../111 1t8 Q)'>t '... cle,ar It with any City departments affected. tiotfon carried unanimously. l'i/ Q) '-1.1 . tn " , '~"a I Tl S:=. ' (.~,~ '1:'O~~"The meeting adjourned at 11 :45 a.m. \!(.':", tn." .aJ~ " ' r:,;: ,;, C::,""',::Sl'd ' :,':..... ,'l"i" ni' O~' ' , ;,;tQ +J,:> H' :' t'E-t' Q) " IOJ " /0 ,Q) H <1lt:l ' 0;:zn;:f 0 J.WJ ' '~t:;,;:... . ~ ~; , ~" '(',,', ..',' ~'t.::':,'; t>., , I~'''' ' . >1 \ ~~'~:,~;'i: i.:, :; , ~ " '~~'i:/~~:).,~ .~. :', t', ,. '\:L:~~ ;;;.> <' :. ~".~ ,~~. . r,.h, \, '" l.~~::.:, V:. 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Florida Power saId If they ,.,rere to go under'ground for jU5.t the park area (500 feet), counting the two termInation structures that they \"Quld need, It would cost $516,000 to carry the same voltage. Mr. Campbell stated he agreed wIth Mr. Healey that, from a layman's standpoint, he does not sec any advantages to re~routlng. Also, he did not see how It would outweigh the cost. Florida Power reiterated their statement ,that they want to Insure adequate supply of power to Pine11as County for any dIsaster that mIght occur, such as prolonged blackouts. " .' " , 'I"c " , ': " - 4 - November 9, 1979 ,.:.. ' " ,'." ,., ,. ,.,.. ',', /'"''''/''' ..j." .,,)1,.. ,'" ,'"'''' '., ..'" , ,.."../.... ,".' " : ,: '.', :; ',: ;': ':.";':':: ,':.: :.:', :;:.... {:,..:,: ~~, ;', ,,::;.: ,~ \ , :: . .... .:' ' . i ': .'o' . ':": : ',: " ',,:...,~:. ; "II :: :', ,',:::: ':,~ :':,,' ::,': ':::':' i,:, ';', .; ':,' :',':'~,' ',': :>, " . ': :; .:.' '. /' ':-'''