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MINUTES
RESOURCg DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
City of Clearwater, Florida
October 26. 1979
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MEMBERS PRESENT:
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Elizabeth S. Haeseker, Chairman
Cecil Henderson, Assistant Director of Public Works/Engineering
David Healey. Planning Director
Don Meerians, Assistant Traffic Engineer
Paul Rettig, Utilities Director
George Buhmeyer, Fire Marshal
Michael W. Kenton, Assistant Director of Public Works (for Mike
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Roy J. Ayres, Building Director
Bill Tripp, Assistant Director, Chief of Regulatory Services
Hank St. Jean, Chief of Inspection and Permits
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Campbell, La~d~
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MEMBERS ABSENT:
Ream Wilson, Director of Parks and Recreation
OTHERS PRESENT:
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Kevin Johnson, Clearwater Villas Development Company
, . Richard P. Voss
, Gene' Scott
'William A. McClain, Flagler Management Company
Don McKenzie, Burger King Corporation
George Ruppel, Modern Tool & Die
"Fre'd N~ Boyd,',public Storage, Inc.
, '. F.. .W'il1iam Mitchell
Edward' C. Spooner, ,Morton F. Plant Hospital
, Douglas F. Dahlhauser
.. Le~oy C.Doughty, King, Doughty & Associates, Inc.
J. Thomas Franaurs "
Joseph C. 'Goldbach
William B. Harvard, Jr., Harvard Adly, Marcet, Architects
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ChaiPman Haeseker called the meeting to order at 10:10 AM in the Operations Center
. Conference Room.
~Motion was made by Mr. Henderson, seconded 'by, Mr. Buhmeyer, to approve ROC minutes
of October 12, 1979, ae corrected. Motion carried. One abstention was noted.
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Chairman Haeseker noted for the record that Parks and Recreati.on Department had no
representative present and had no comments on any items on the agenda.
Resource Development Committee membership was discussed. Mr. Healey summarized
the contents of his memorandum to the City Manager as follows: (1) include the
Energy Officer; (2) consider removing citizen members; and (3) having Mike Kenton
,speak for'environmental concerns, including those of the Land Resources Specialist
,(Mike Campbell). Discussion ensued. Mr. Kenton expressed concern that with his
,removal there would be no water quality expert on the Committee.
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Mr. Healey stated the Planning Department has been considering changes to Sec. 34.01
of the Zoning Ordinance which sets forth the requirements for the CIS. Among the
changes requested to be considered are: (1) change to threshold for projects re-
quiring a CIS; and (2) greater flexibility in providing for waiver of the requirement
for a CIS. Mr. Henderson suggested location of the bluff area be included as basis
for requiring CIS. Mr. Rettig suggested a synopsis to hiRhli~ht each project, and
Choirman Haeseker suggested a mini-version with aelectivA portions of CIS. Mr.'Healey
will forward copies of proposed revisions to CIS to the Comnittee members for their
review.
(Continued) Burger King, Burger King Corporation (Owner); lo~ated on the northwest
corner of Gulf-to-Bay and Arcturas Street
Revised Preliminary Site Plan
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Mr. MeerUns stated that the State's access policy has overriden what was proposed by
the City Traffic Engineer, resulting in two curb cuts with 3-ft. tapered radius on
each one. He commented that the revised plan did not show easement area for traffic
signals. He also noted the sidewalk should be shown on the final plan when revised.
Existing points of access will be removed and curbs and landscaping placed in ac-
cordance to the Code.
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Applicant agreed to the above.
Mr. Henderson gave the Engineering Department's commentE which Bre attached.
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Mr. Healey expressed concern that the State had not seen fit to recognize the recom-
mendations of the Traffic Engineer regarding a reduced curb cut at the westerly edge
of the property. He expressed concern with two-way movement and the parking spaces
in front of the drive~thru arrangement.
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sign but that the applicant does not propose to change it, as it meets Code require-
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liminary site plan. Motion carried. There was one abstention.
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Appli~ant will prepare revised plan to: (1) show access as it will be built; and
(2) show sidewalks.
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(Continued) Public Storage, Public Storage, Inc. (Owner); located on US 19 Highway
Fronta~e Road, approximately 300 feet north of the intersection of US 19 and SR 60
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Mr. Buhmeyer stated the looping of the water lines had not been done as previously
suggested. Applicant stated it was an oversight and would be done.
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Mr. Rettig' stated he had no problems but requested easements for water main locations
and one hydrant on dead end line.
Mr. Healey stated the Planning and Zoning Board had heard the requested annexation
and rezoning related to this project and both will go forward to the City Commission.
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There is a 24~ft. easement continuing to tho north limits of the property line at
its easterly limits. Mr. Healey expressed concern with parking and setbacks. He
commented that the relationship to adjoining property entrance and exit to the south
shows a point of intersection with Chi Chi's Restaurant. This requireo adjustment
to their plan. TIle City Manager has indicated it will not be necessary to plat the
property.
Mr. Mitchell of Public Storage told the Committee he had been informed (through
Mr. George Ruppel) that the property would not require platting; also, easement
would not be required across the rear of the property.
Mr. Renderson gave the Engineering Department's comments wllich are attached. He
encouraged the Committee to recommend the easement at the east property line be retained
to permit access to adjoining properties.
Mr. Kenton noted under landscape requirements that the minimum tree size should be
eight (8) feet and not five (5) feet as indicated. Further, he does not concur with
rezoning and emphasized the site plan should provide for building setbacks.
Mr. Meerians stated the parking layout does not show dimensions. Applicant stated
minimum space size would be 10 x 22 feet.
Applicant stated he will agree to all suggestions except setbacks. Mr. Healey stated
point of access to south is in conflict with the plan approved for Chi Chi's.
Mr. Mitchell agree in principle and stated he had been in touch with Chi Chits
Restaurant and will recontact them.
Motion was made by Mr. Henderson, seconded by Mr. Rettig, to approve the revised
preliminary site plan, subject to including recommendation to the City Commission
that 24~ft. easement be provided along the eaat portion of the property; also subject
to' looping water system as discussed; and subject to water main easements being pro-
vided. ' Motion carried 5-2, with Messrs. Healey and Kenton voting "no.1I
Clearwater Villas. Clearwater Villas Development Company (Owners); located on the
east side of Old Coachman Road across street from St. Petersburg Junior College
Community Impact Statement
Mr. Rettig noted that on Page 9, Water Supply, notation should be looped by 811 line,
not 6". He also questioned location of Tract 'B 1 inasmuch as it does not appear on . '
the plan. Applicant stated location was east of property at its southeast corner,
slightly over one acre insfze and may not be included in the project. Mr. Rettig
stated it should he noted on the plan.
Mr. Healey stated the plan does not identify the sewer plant which will service the
project. He indicated the market section was satisfactory but there was no informa-
tion provided on tax impact. Applicant stated this has been calculated and will be
shown. J,
Messrs. Buhmeyer and Tripp had no comments.
Mr. Meerians stated the plan, as shown, has been revised to provide a 3D-ft. entrance.
He noted that traffic generation would be six times the estimated 75 vehicles, based
on average number of trips per day per vehicle.
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Mr. Kenton inquired as to the qualifications concerning the environmental data and
stated data should be prepared by a qua~ified person in particular field of concern.
He also noted that the landscape value of existing vegetation was not provided.
Applicant stated the site plan was prepared to save trees and that they are an im~
portant part of the development.
Mr. Henderson commented on the drainage and flood control elements) stating that
this portion of the statement is satisfactory for the purposes it serves at this
stage. Sanitary sewer will go to the East Plant.
At this point in the meeting, the Committee excused the applicant in order to review
the present administrative sewer moratorium applicable to the East Plant.
Motion was made by Mr. Rettig, seconded by 101r. Kenton, to approve the Community
Impact Statement with the following stipulations: (1) tax impact to be provided;
(2) location of Tract 'n' to be noted; and (3) traffic generation figurcs to be
corrected. Motion carried unanimously.
Preliminary Site Plan
Mr. Buhmeyer stated that, as shown on the plan, hydrant location is not acceptable.
Applicant agreed to relocate.
Mr. Rettig stated the water main location as shown will need to be revised. In ad-
dition, easement is needed over water main up to point where hydrant and meter are
located. Hr. Rettig also requested another B" valve. Applicant agreed. Dumpsters
should be located after consultation with Sanitation Superintendent to avoid any
problems with access and backing up.
Mr. Healey commented on several points. He quewtioned whether the entry way across
Florida Power will be a right-of-way easement. Applicant stated two are available to
the property but only one will be utili~ed in the plan. He also inquired concerning
the relationship of Tract IB' to the property and the lack of acccss to it. He was
informed by the applicant property could be disposed of for some other use or
utili~ed for recreation. Concerning the parking, he stated the aisles are slightly
offset, making it somewhat awkward. Also of concern is the fact that the density
would he above what the proposed land use plan ,calls for in the Residential/Office
category. Mr. Hesley inquired if the provision for retention ponds would require a
plan change and Mr. .Henderson assured him the final construction plans would not be
approved without adequate retention.
Mr. Henderson gave the Engineering Department's comments which are attached. He
commented on the fact that Tract 'B' is a landlocked parcel and, as such, could not
be sold other than to an adjoining property owner due to no access being provided.
Mr. Kenton commented that the run-off during construction will be handled through an
administrative review process. It is his belief that the trees can be saved at the
edge of the building. He noted the retention ponds arc not identified and that there
is a density problem as previously noted.
Mr. John Rooks was asked by Mr. Henderson to address the drainage provisions. He
stated they have linear retention,aremwhich are not desirable and difficult to
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The design should be I changed nlncc nYHtl.~m haNn' t wOl'kcd in the
Mr. Ayres stated the building separation distances and setbackn ""lot moot rcq"irc~
ments of the Zoning Ordinances.
Mr. Meerians stated that two vehicles parking at right nnglcu create prohlemlJ nnd
the end parking spaces should he at least 24 feet. A~flO. two~wny traCfic Rhauld he
eliminated.
Motion was made by Mr. Buhmeyer, seconded by Mr. Ayres) to approvo tha preliminary
site plan. subject to the following: (1) provision for hydrant) water mains nnd water
valves as reques ted; (2) retention ponds to be shown on tho plan; and (3) CBsements
provided for water lines, ingress/egress and garbage trucks. Motion carried 6~1.
Mr. Healey voted "no."
Holiday Inn Hotel, Clearwater Beach, W. B. Johnson Properties, Inc. (Developer);
located on Clearwater Beach west of Mandalay Avenue and north of Marianne Street
Community Impact Statement
Messrs. Rettig, Buhmeyer and Ayres had no comments.
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Mr. Healey stated there were a number of considerations, including the density factor
concerning the ancillary facilities. The shops proposed are in addition to what the
Code provides for and he questioned how the applicant proposed to account for retail
services in addition to the 'hotel. Concerning Section K - Architecture, Mr. Healey
expressed concern regarding the apparent need for variance to the waterfront vista
and building height requirements. There is a substantial deviation from the Code
which requires more careful consideration and we need to know to what extent it
affects the view and architectural compatibility.
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AppliDtnt responded that adequate parking area is provided for the retail uses and that
the shops are not a necessary part of the hotel but will contribute to revitalization
of the area.
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Mr. Meerians made notation on Page 9 - D - showing access from Marianne and egress
to Mandalay and the fact that it would be difficult to control these one-way provisions
for traffic movement.
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Mr. Healey inquired if there would be specific accommodations for public transit such
as buses, limousine services, etc. on the property. Applicant stated this was not
addressed in the plan but could be accommodated on the street or from an internal
loading zone provided on-site.
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Mr. Kenton stated a tree survey is required. He also commented that calculations on
shadow effect had been glossed~over and should be provided.
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effect was negligible.
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handled by perforated pipe under the parking area.
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Mr. Henderson noted coastal construction setback line is not shown and inquired
as to its effect on building location or Bwinuning pool. Applicant stated this hus
been taken into account.
Motion was made by Mr. Hoaley, seconded by Mr. Kenton, to continue this item to
allow the applicant time to submit addendum that would include: (1) information
Mr. Kenton needs to locate and identify impact on removal of vegetation; (2) iden"
tification and evaluation of any variances required from the Code; (3) idcntifcation
of provisions, on and off-sitc, to accommodate public transit; (4) expansion of
sections under architecture, with particular reference to shadow effect; and (5)
identify floor area, land area and related requirements attributable to retail shops.
Motion carried unanimously.
Preliminary Site Plan
Mr. Buhmeyer stated hydrant needs to be relocated as it is too close to the building.
Applicant agreed. Also, additional hydrant at exit road on northeast corner of
building on Mandalay. Mr. Bubmeyer stated line will not be permitted under building
and he preferred it be looped. Applicant replied he was getting into t he area of
I running ,the line behind the seawall if this were the case.
Mr. Rettig commented he needs an easement for the water main up to the hydrant
and that the retail shops should be individually metered.
Mr. Healey stated additional l2-ft. right-of-way proposed to he dedicated needs to
be.assessed with respect to specific utilization and treatment. He also felt that
the off-set portions of both Papaya and Marianne Streets could be considered for
dedication to provide expanded public access to the beach and waterfront. He re-
iterated that there are major deviations from the Code being sought regarding building
height and waterfront vista requirements.
,Mr. Henderson stated percolation of water through the use of perforated pipe is a
satisfactory method of , storm-water disposition and that drainage details will be re-
checked at time of construction plans. He further commented that a sidewalk is not
indicated on the plan and will be required to be installed. He 'indica~ed additional
right..of-way access to the beach area was desirable and noted that the proposed
entrance from Marianne Street would omit several parking spaces.
Mr. Kenton stated there is adequate space to meet the landscape code and the coastal
conttruction control line has been complied with. Applicant acknowledged that
vegetation will be removed by permit only.
Mr. Ayres had no comments.
Mr. Meerians noted his preference that both access points be located on Mandalay
and eliminate tbe one on Marianne as it will generate traffic problems in tbe parking
lot. lIe also commented that angular stalls underneath building cannot be utilized
as it is impossible to make turns. Applicant will revise.
Motion was made by Mr. Henderson, seconded by Mr. Rettig', to continue the preliminary
site plan. MOtion carried unanimously.
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Morton F. Plant Hospital Cancer Center, Morton F. Plant Hospital (Owncr}j locntnd
at the northwest corner of Bay Avenue and Pinellas Street
Community Impact Statement
Messrs. Buhmeyer and Mcerians had no comments.
Mr. Healey asked if the parking to be removed were being replaced elsowhere. Ar-
plinnt stated that a new lot wIll accommodate staff displaced..
Mr. Rettig inquired if the quality of sewage will be domestic and Mr. Kenton stated
several complaints had been received of super-heated water entering the boy from this
approximate location. TIle applicant assured them there had not been any discharge
into the storm sewer.
Mr. Henderson stated the applicant is changing drainage patterns and they arc re-
quired to treat it as a new site and not take what they have currently draining
from site and consider that the natural state. Applicant stated they hnve added
green space and that essentially the roof of the new building has replaced the
parking area. Percolation is slightly increased and not calculated based on n
natural state.
Mr. Kenton commented that the 7211 storm water line is the worst situation water
quality wise and that the developer failed to furnish information on air and noise
standards. A letter should be forwarded stating they see no excessive emission or
noise generation. He further commented the two existing trees on the property
must be protected. Applicant assured them there would be no emissions and the
only noise would emanate from vehicular traffic.
Mr. Ayres made note of Page 8, #4 - Energy Conservation Code, stating it must be
met. Applicant noted this was an oversight.
Mr. Buhmeyer noted parking spaces may be blocking access to water system for fire
fighting purposes.
Mr. Henderson expressed concern about drainage and placing the proposed bUilding
over the existing storm sewer inasmuch as the system has a limited life. Applicant
said a study had been done regarding feasibility of moving line. Cost and HSA
requireme~t that facility must be attached to the hospital dictate location.
Considerable discussion ensued concerning building over the storm sewer line.
Mr. Henderson commented he would like to have Mr. Battleta input as no staff
member would have given approval to put the line under the building.
MOtion was made by Mr. Henderson, seconded by Mr. Healey, to approve the community
impact statement, contingent upon discussiog with Mr. Battlc the details of storm
sewer/building location approval in addition to receiving a letter re air and noise
pollution. Motion carried unanimously.
Preliminary Site Plan
Me8srs. Rettig, Bunmeyer and Ayres had no co~nentB.
Mr. Healey stated average 5-ft. landscaping buffer is required between the right-of-
~ay and parking lot and questioned the nced for dual cntrances east of the building.
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Applicant stated he cannot accommodate landscaping but there can be one entrance
from the public street.
Mr. Meertans commented parking space is 9 x 19 feet and that 24-ft. aisle for
vehicles to beck out of space for maneuvering is required. lIe also noted the
traffic island separator needs to be changed.
Mr. Kenton stated a variance is required from the Board of Adjustment and Appeal on
Zoning re any deviation from landscaping requirement. Applicant noted he has a
revokable perm~t to park in the right-of-way at present and proposed layout would
be an improvement over existing aituation.
At this point, Mr. Ayres left and Mr. St. Jean took his place.
Motion was made by Mr. Healey, seconded by Mr. Rettig, to approve the preliminary
site plan contingent upon plan to be revised to address entry w~,parking and
landscaping, with revised plan be submitted to the Traffic Engineer and Mike Kenton
for their joint approval prior to submission to the City Commission. If it does
not meet with Traffic Engineer's and Assistant Public Works Director/Environmental
then it will come back to the full Committee. Motion carried with Mr. St. Jean in
abstention and Mr. voting "no."
Home Federal Savings and Loan Association, Northwood Office, Home Federal SaVings
and Loan Association (O~lers); 10ca~ed on the northeast corner of C. R. 102 and
,Landmark Drive
Preliminary Site Plan
Mr. Rettig had no comments other than questioning the provisions for refuse and
disposal. Applicant stated dumpster location will be on the access drive off
Landma'rk Dr! ve.
Mr. Healey commented on several points. He stated a 5-ft. landscaping buffer should
be located between parking lot and the public right-of-way. The drainage swale
cannot be counted for both ~etention and landscaptng purposes. ,In addition, applicant
should confirm with the owoer(Rutenberg) arrangements for filing subdivision plat.
Assuming it is a requirement, process should be initiated.
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Mr. Meeriens commented that a sidewalk will be required on both streets and should
be noted on the plan. Parking is satisfactory.
Mr. St. Jean, stated he cannot give approval for a bUilding permit until property
has been platted and recorded.
Mr. Kenton noted a 24-inch pine tree should be saved.
Mr. Henderson stated we have had poor experience using combination landscape buffer
and retention area and cited Drew Street Plaza as an example. Further, he sug-
gested providing space to be set aside for drainage retention and the best place
to locate it would be where the outfall is at west side of property.
Rather'than redesign the drainage, applicant responded he would prefer to increase
the area between the right-of-way and the parking lot to provide for both drainage
and landscaping. Mr. Henderson pointed out that drainage plans must be prepared
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Meeting Date - October 26, 1979
BURGER KING - 1888 Gu~f-to-Bay Blvd.
Preliminary Site Plan - Continued
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OWner/Developer - Burger King Corporation
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Architect/Engineer -Jack Lee Meyer, P. E.
Miami, Fla.
City of,Clearwater Engineer - J. W. Rooks
Engineering Department Comments:
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1. Sanitary-is served by Clearwater East Plant which is
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