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APPROVED
MINUTES
R~SOURC~ DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
City of Clearwat cr, FL
May 25, 1979
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MEMBJ!.lRS P~SENT;
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. Ellzabet h Hacseker, Chai rman
Mike Campbell. Land Resources Speci al i at
.John Rlcht er, Seni or Planne r
Don Maeri ans, Assist ant TraffIc Engi neer
Cecil Henderson, Assistant Director of Public Works
. George Buhmeyer, Fire Marshal
':Paul Bet t ig, ,Utilities Direct or
Bill ,Trl pp, Assi st ant Bui I di ng Direct or
. Davd' Healey, Planning Director
Ream Wilsori, Parks & Recreation Director
. Don Alexander, Citizen
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Albert'Rogers, Citizen
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OTHERS PRESENT:
.' Bill McQueary, Representing American Condo. Corp.
Ken' King, . Represent ing . Ameri carl Cond,o. Corp.
" E4 Maser, Representing American Condo. Corp.
, Tom Bennett.. Rep:reserit ing Ameri can Condo. Corp.
'..Vie H~ger,' Representing Allan B. Dav! s, Developer
. Bi_ll Linder~ Arch! tect for Ameri can Condo. Corp.
VaJ. Curtis, V. A. Curtis and Associates
Mike Spears, V. A. Curt is and As soci at es
'13ill'Smlth, V. A. Curtis and AssoClates
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The ~ eting was called t~ order by Chai rman Haeseker at ,10:10
a. m., in the Ope rat ions Cent er Conf erence Room, City Hall Annex.
1. .' Approval of May 11, 1979 Minut es. Mot ion was made to approve
. minut es of May' 11, 1979. Mot ion was seconded 'and carr! ed unani..
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May 25, 1979
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2. (Continued) Tract 59.1 Count Tvside; U.S. Home Corporation
(Owner); locat cd on the non hwest corner of' Meadow Wood
Drl va ani Count rya! de Boui avard.
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Committee di scuBsed open apace requi rement s. It was suggest ed that
the Florida Power ROW be used as part of open space. Cecil
Henderson sai d time shaul d be found In RDC Meet lng to set tie thi s
mat ter. He moved to cant inue to June 8, 1979. Mr. Alexander
seconded the mot ion whl ch ca.rri ed unani mous1 y.
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3. Nort hwood Estate 8, Tract H; Ameri can Condom!n! urn Cor-
porat ion (Owner); locat ed sout h of Ent erpri se Road (Count y
Road 102) abuttinR Lake Chaut auqua. Communi ty Impact Stat ement:
Ream Wilson - Asked, in relation to Tract H, if there would be
any access to Lake ChautauH,ua.
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nave. Heal ey .. Sai d Stat ement is very well done.
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John Richt er .. Stat ed Mike Kent on, Chi ef Planner, had concern re
excavat ion of pond and the cleveloper repl ied that they will not be
exc~vating.
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'Mike Campbell - The Stat ement neede a soi 1 eraslon adendum.
'Ken King)..!; - There will be no soil runoff from the building. In
answer to Mike Campbell's quest ion, he sai d runoff will not go int 0
..t he. Lake.
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Mlke Campbell asked if there would be sodding and Mr. King,Ell.
repl led that. they woul d put at raw baling s al'ound the s'o/al e.
Bill Tri pp .. No comment.
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CeCil Henderson... Very well done. Did someone look at wat er level
durl rig recent. at arm? Mr. : King' t. sai d they had and e1 evat ions are
. sat isfact ory. Mr. Henderson is sat iElfied with CIS.
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Paul RettlR - Stat em ant is well done. Wat er tap and met er
seem an if they are scparat e. He, has no', probl ems.
Cecil Henderson moved to approve community ltnpact stat amant for
Nort hwood Est at es, Tract H, subj cct to soi 1 croslon adendum. Bill
Trl pp seconded the mot Ion whl ch carr! ed unan! mousl y.
Preliminary Site Plan.
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Ream Wilson - He has no prahl em.
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Dave Heal ey - PoL nt cd out that the densL ty has to be on the net
propert y and does not incI ucle wat er. Request s that they show
densL ty. "Ken King ," 1 expressed that he was not aware that wat er
is deduct ed and will campI y. Mr. Heal ey cl arlfled that ROW cca,soe..
ment does not count as land area in reI at ion to densL ty. Ken.
Kinge! t indi cat ed he underst ood. Mr. Heal ey and Mr. King., ,
di scuBsed the setbacks. Mr. King" I~. sai d they have campI led with
the minimum setbacks from the south and west lot lines. The
developer, is tryi ng to keep trees. In an'swer to Mr. Heal eyl s
query, Mr..King: '; said they could not make buildings in Unit #5
smaller without losi ng units. Mr. Heal ey' s concern is prevent ion
of encroachment on marsh and Mr. ; King '. sal d they coul d put in
a: low. fence to p~13vent this. Mr. Heal ey woul d like them to adJust
Buildlng( 4 ;.,n<.1 ' away Tram marsh.
Mr... Heal ey st at ed th at he is not concerned about ene roachment by
residents, but by construction. Mr. ;"'King: said he is prepared
to make the adj ust ment s in the s1 te pI an.
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Geor~e Buhmever .. Report ed that the fire hydrant Is in the wrong
location and the developer said they would correct.
In .rel at ion to the parking and drive bordering on tract G, Mr. Healey
. asked .if theywoul d add the park! ng nort h of Bui ldi ng 6 and sout h of
the o'ak'clusters,or some other location rather than abutting sin~e
. famlly lot,S next to the tract. MT. King.. . is agreeabl eo " ,,< Mr.
'Heal ey added that pa rki ng on the east 81 de is. to 'be remov'ed. in 0 rde r to
di Bcourage light 8 and act ivi ty.
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Mr. Heal ey 0.1 so had a probl em with the parkl ng desi gn. The parki ng
is. off of the dri ve syst em rat her than an Int crnal parki ng dri ve with
separat e parki ng lot s.
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Mr. Healey questioned as to whether developer really needed proposed
lake on west properly line. Mr. King. replied that in order to
. compl y with the new Stafe Stat ut e effect lve as of March 1. 1979.
'(17-4 of DER Regulations) that they must retain the first inch of
rainfall on aite. Also, the lake would generate additional fill
ma.t eri al that is needed along Bui ldi ngs 4 through 6. They want
the lake la rg e enough fo l' rec reat ional pu rpos e s. Furt he r. they
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to meet the E:ngl neer' B rcqui rcment that they reduce the discharge
that ' develops of f sl te; they I can do thi 9 by devel opl ng a pond and
letting it sheet flow over to the frcshwat or marsh.
C ed 1 Henderson - City woul d consl del' a s1 te like thl s with low areaa
on the s1 te by usi ng low spot B as'pot en~ ial" d rai nage st 0 l'ag e a rc as.
He thinks it does make senae to capt ure the wat cr, particularly
s1 nee, Bome comes of f the parkl ng lot.
John Rlcht er - No comment.
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Mike Campbell - Asked what the dimensions of swaIe runnLng through
the oak cl uet er on the east s1 de were. Mr. Klng.., t replied that
they were 4 to 6 inches deep, done on a graded plane, and purpose
was to convey wat er from area back lnt 0 the pond. Mr. Campbell
asked if they had a det a1 led tree survey and Mr. King · responded
affirmatively. Mr. Campbell said he thought there may be a
posi tive way to move the bui Id1 ng s 5 o~ 6 feet cl os e l' toget he l' and
attain a larger setback from the marsh, as 'a 3-story building next
,to a marsh is not aest hetically pI easl ng and the developer rep! ied
that the p'oint was well-t aken.
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Don Meed ans - Asked if access 1s ac~ept abl e.. Mr. J.5.ing
replied yes, that ~ as .they underst ood it, T1'af fic Eng! nee ri ng
does not want medi an to prot rude int 0 the ROW, there! 0 re they
have made dd veway st ral ght out to Count y Road 102.
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Cecil Renders'on - Said easements will be required for the water
, mai,Ds up to the met ers and for ingress and egress for Ie fuse
vem cl ea. Alao, they are subj ect to City of Clearwat er desi gn
, c'ri te 1'i a for. subdi vi sl ons. He bel ieves di at ance shaul d be kept
between buildings and thi s site plan is the best he' B seen for
thi s si te. Devel opel' will comply.
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Paul Retti~ .. Approves of pI ans. lU~'ch'1nildl-n~!' shall be separat el y
met ered and they shoul d meet with the Sanitation Divl ai on to
arrange trash cont ai ner locat ion. Developer has complIed.
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Mr. Henderson moved to approve Nort: hwood Est ate s, Tract H~
preliminary site plan. Mike Campbell seconded the motion which
carried unanimously.
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Mr. Alexander l~ft at till s timo.
4. Jennifer Office Complex, Phase I~ ".Kall~aroo Kourt'~ Allan
B. Davi s. Devel oper~
Gcor~e Buhmeyer - Suggest cd they move fire hyd rant s to the st reet
si de and Vic Hanger agreed.
Dave Heal ey - No comment.
Ream Wilson - No comment.
Paul Retti~ - Asked developer, who agreed, to meet with the
Sanl tat 10n Depart ment re Iocat ion of dumpst er.
Ceel 1 Henderson - Submitted Engl neerl ng Depar.tment comment s.
(Attached). He asked when easement s caul d be consumat ed and
developer replied next week. The plans are in the Engineering
Depart ment.
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Bill Tripp - Would like to see clearer plans as parking is not
adequat e. Develope r will. brl ng pI ans in next week fa r the Bui ldl ng
Depar.tment IS. eXamlnatl~n. . . .
Cecil' Henderson - 'Report'ed that easement s"wui be requi red for the wat or
mahis up to the met ers and for ingress and egress for refuse vehl cl es.
He expl ai ned th'at the Bui leU ng Permit Revi ew Commitee keeps up with
each tap made int 0 the sewe r syst em and that they waul d not get.
permits for all of thei r bui Idi ngs at once. Mr. Henderson does not
see any probl em in the development of thei r proj ect.
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In response to the developerls question Mr. Tripp replied that they
could get building permits for as many as 100 unite with sewer
guarent eed for .25% of them.
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Vie Hanger stated County does not have specific parking requirements
for racque~ ball and Mr. Tri pp sai d accordi ng to the Zoni ng Inspect or
. it is a commerc1 al ree reat ion fad lity because of the desi gn of the
bui ldi ng and parki ng can be worked out when they bri ng in pI ana.
Mr. Hang,er said they woul d bri ng campI et e pI ans to the Bui ldi ng
Department. Mr. Henderson explained that in order to get building
permit from County the developer muet bri ng the pI ans to Bui Idi ng
. for thei r examinat ion, then the Assi st ant City Manager \Vi. 11 issue a
letter to the' County Building Department stating sewer is available.
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Mr. Campbell asked why two trees are being l'emoved and Mr. Hanger
. responded that. there is no1 way to save them. Also, Mr. Hanger want 8
to meet with Mr. Campbell. and Engineering regarding the water line
locat ion. Developer will 'show Mr. Campbell the s1 te pI an be! ore
they remove the trees.
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Mr. Heal ey at at cd for the record, that the reason the Committee
UP not "asking for'a ROW easement on the' :bncl< of the' lot. iB that
the: C9rllmittee, had previ ousl Y I det e rmiried ,that H Is nei the r. val ua bl e
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Ceell Henderson moved to approve the Jenn if er Office: CampI ex, ,Phase I,
preliminary a1 to pi an cont lngent of del1vel'Y of necessary caBement B
to the City. Mike Campbell seconded the mot ion whi ch carr1 ed
unani mouel y.
5. Coachman Road Condomin! urns. Ameri can Condomini urn
Corporat ion (Owner); locat ed on Coachman Road, just west
of U. S. HiJJhway 19 Nort h. Community Impact Stat ement:
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John Rlcht er .. Report ed Mike Kent on want s samp1 es of wat er
quality incI uded in communi ty impact st at ement .
Also, ;Mr. Kent on woul d like to know what st eps will be taken U
necessary to cont 1'01 eroslon. Developer I in response, sai d they
"will. follow City of Clearwat er regulations. Mr. Richter asked
where buildi ngs are locat cd In ref erence to aoi 1 at rat a. Deve! ope'r
will re spond. .
lnresponae to another question from Mr. Richt er, Bill McQuery
at at ed drawings of el evat ions are included in the ai te pI an.
Mi~e Campbell - No comment.
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'. Don. Meeri ans - Stat ed he di aagrees with the 25% at orage for left
turn: shoul d be a mini mum of 50 feet for 2-vehi cl e at orage and more than
2.00 foot tapers for 45 mph 8p~ed limit. Tom Bennett understands.
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Cecil Henderson.. Sanitary sewer to go to the Clearwater East
'Plant"where there is a moratorium in effect. This has heen
addre8.sed in the CIS. Easement B will be requi red for all off si te
sanitary lines serving the site, sanitary sewer connection across
U. S. 19 to be inspect ed to ensure increased capaci ty will not cause
undue mai nt enal'lCe probl ems. ('t'hl s sect ion has an invert ed syphon
crossi ng under St. Pet ersburg' s 48" wat e r line); City wat er is
accessible to the property from 1211 water main on U. S. 19 and
prope r easement B are to be incorporat ed int 0 the desl gn on final
const ruct ion pI ana; and iodi cat ed that he underst ood.
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Paul Ret tlR - No probl em.
Ream Wilson ... Does not ,like the locat! on of the 2. 6 acre dedl cat 10n.
Sal d he waul d pref er Borne at he r arrangement, perhaps cash in lieu
of land dedi cat Ion and City woul d use money across the at reet at
Moccasin Lake Pa rk. Anot her arrangement caul d be a land and cash
combi nat lone Mr. Bennet t woul d consl der a1 ternat ives but want 8
to keep thei r hi Uboard area. Mr. WllBo~ sai d he waul d like to look
at area and Mr. Campbell stat ed arCa was si milar to Moccasin Lake
area anI y more ext ensl vc.
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Dave Healey... Clarified that: impact of left-ha,nd storage lane is
the responsi bi lity of the develope r. He poi nt cd out that the densl ty
'i s 14 un! ts per' acre, not RM..I Z and there will be no si te pI an approval
unt 11 rCzonl ng is est ablished..unl ess they go to RPD zoni ng. Addl tionall y,
he waul d not recommend the park dedi cat ion, as shown he re. to the
City Commissi on. He is concerned about acce'Bs dedi cat i01 . The
developer indi cat cd he woul d like to get RPD zoni ng. The City a1 BO
need.S ~n access easement.
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Discussion continued re parkland dedication. If entire lake Were
dedlcat ~d to City, the l' City woul d be responsi bI e for mal nt enance.
Chai rman said there were probl ems that could not be resolved at
thi s meeti ng and asked Tom Bennett if they would be appl yi ng for
RPD zoro ng. Mr. Bennet t repl led that they woul d.
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Cecil Henderson moved to cant inue the CIS for Coachman Road
. Condorrilni urns to the ROC meet Lng of June 8t 1979. Ream' Wilson
seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
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'Paul Retti~ .. Indi cat ed the City want S an easement where the wat e1'
'mal ns are, arrangement B made for garbage and trash; and each bui Idi ng'
to .be separat e1 y met ered. Developer underst ands.
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. Ceell Henderson... No comment.
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Chai rman .. Point ed out that the sl te pI an will be cont lnued to the
next ROC Meet lug a1 so.
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Don Meeri ans ;. Sal d, in reI at ion to N. E. Coachman Road left..t urn
storage, that presently there is a 3-1ane approach from U.S. 19 which
comes back about 400 feet and the add! tional lane is on the souther} y
s1 de of N. E. Coachman Road. To get the necessary taper sect Ion and
, s~ orage,}t is necessary to hook in at that poi nt and carry it down.
Also, the' taper section is to be on the Bout h a1 de and, just past the
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the dl teh, it needs to be reI ocat ed to accommodat e ROW. They
will need to a dd an addl tlonal",lo.ne {whlldl waul d requl re taId ng a
pI ece of Is1 and. Tom Bennet t underst ands.
Bill Tri pp - No comment.
Mike Campbell - Asked l! developer waul d bri ng wat er line that
runs ~l ong the nort h ai de of propert y in from Coachman Road.
He I does not want the Une to go through the mapl e swamp. Tom
Bennett agreed to meander the wat er line so as to avoi d the mapl e
swamp. Mr. Campbell also requests that developer, in parking lot
next to 'Bu! Idl ng A in the nort hernmost cornel, to drop each (two)
space next to a pi ne tree. Developer is in agreement.
John Rlcht er .. Stat cd that Mike Kent on want B the Bouthern..most
parld ng area graded so that it rll1'u:ns nort h or that the cleveloper
provide a catch-basin at southern point. Mr. Bennett said they
coul d put a cat ch-basi n in.
,SeorR:e Buhmeyer - No comment.
Dave Heal ev - Report ed F Bui 1di ng would not meet requi rement s of n ~..1
RM-12; however, it would be al right for RPD.
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6. Hercul es Cent er, V. A. Curt is and Assocla t es, En1!!neers
;-dld '&+Arcm teet Sj locat ed on the nort heast corner of Sunset
'i' Point Road, and: Here,ul'e.s Av,enue;.I,t~'~'reliminary Site Plan:
Paul R 'ot ti~ - The Site pI an does not show the 12-i nch wat er' mai n
.and 6..inch high gas pressure main at Sunset Point Road and he
woul d I like 'the cleveloper to he aware of them.
Ceci I Henderson .. Submitted Engl need ng Depart ment comment s.
(Attached). Bill Smith, represent ing the developer is now awa re
of the comment s. The 2.0..f oot ROW is on the p1 an.
Mr. Henderson explained the .Building Penri.t Review Committee
proc~ssto Mr. Smith. Hent hen told the cleveloper that the City
has a ma,n-made ret ention area around the property. Engineering
is willing to let them use. The long ret ent ion area Mr. Bende rson
suggest s they ret ain, howevel', the at her two are not necessary as
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tra!flc when someone is getting gas. The Hercul es Avenuo access
caul d be ellminat ed. Mr. Smith will worl< on th! s.
John Richter - They are deficient in landscaping and are required
to provi de an addi tional tree a10ng Sunset Poi nt Road. Also, the
developar shoul d prov! de andarea equal to at least 40/0 of overall paved
a:t;'~a for Int er! or landscapl ng and, with! n that 4%, they are requl red
to provi de 3 trees. In repl y to Mr. Smith' B quest ion, Mr. Richt er
~~l d that trees must be a mini mum of 8-feet hi gh.
The landscape st ri p bet ween Sunset Poi nt Road ROWand the parkl ng
area is to average not less than 5 -f eet in wiat 11. Mr. Smith indi1cated '.:
h.e woul d compl y with Mr. Richt er' 8 reque st s.
. Georae Buhmever .. A fire hydrant is needed in Sunset Poi nt Road
access area. Paul Rettig assert ed that he is in agreement and will
. ,put the hydrant in if It annexes int 0 the City and is request ed by the
Fire Marshal.
Dave Healey - Three openings on two streets are not necessary
. .and that they are too close to the int exsect ion. Also, Mr.. Heal ey
thinks the developer can find a, better solution to the gas pump
locat ion. . Mr. Hende raon Bugg est ed movi ng the bui ldi ng in orde r
. . to reI ocat e gas pumps. Mr. Heal ey al so wanis the developer to
move dri ve at Bout h end to the east.
Ream Wilson ~ Asked if they are' pI anni ng anyt hi ng on the 6 feet
. of. ~p:ropert y behi nd the commerci al bui ldi ng and convi ence st ore
.(east'side). The City is planning to sod and develop a passive
park on the adj acent property. Mr. Smith answered that they are
: gol ng to 'land~cape. Also,' the developer sai d they may el iminat e
the sout h Hercules Avenue ent ranee in order to keep gas is1 and.
Cecil Henderson moved to continue the Hercul es Cent ex prel.irninary
si te pI an to the June 8, 1979, RDC Meet ing. Ream Wilson seconded
the mot ion whi ch carri ed unani mouel y.
7.. .1I'~ac;t'Bt:.7Z;.~7.3,;v;7'4 an'di.45,;'.Counbrysl'de\South Addition; Pacific
Cascade Corporat ion, Developex; The La.ne . Company (Owner);
located at U.S. 19 and Enterprise Road. Preliminary Site Plan:
John Richt er moved to cont inue thi s item to the ROC Meet ing of
. June 8, 1979. Dave Heal ey seconded the mot ion whi ch carri ed unani-
mousl y.
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Ream WilBon report cd that a conunlttce conal Bt lng of hi msel f,
Dave Heal cy, and Joe Mandy, met on May 21, 1979, to dl SCUBS
Clearwat crf S 320 acros. Because much of what happens depends
on what Wat er Pol1ut Ion Cont 1"01 doci deB the rl!lqui l'ement S for
spray flei dB et c. will be. The Committee thl ru(S it is premat ure
to make a deci si on about the USe at thl B time.
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Davl d Heal ey moved that Ellzabet,h/ .Hae~eker_ ,,'.Assi st ant, City, 'Managc::r,
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Ream .Wilson, in answering a question of Pa~l Rettig's, :replied
that ,the golf courSe proposal has been set aside as there Wel.e
divided opinions from the Chamber of Commerce and the Indust rial
. Coinmittee about the use of the propert Y.' If somet hing that seemed
very special were to come up then City could consider taking action.
Cecil Henderson seconde~ the motion which carried unanimously.
9.Bulldin~ Permit Revi ew Conunittee.
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',meet at 9:00 a. m. pri.or to the ROC Meet ing.
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proj ect revi eW committee that waul d be a combinat ion of the
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'of City meet ings, thei 1" purposes, and when they occur. He vol unt eered
to,draft Buch a schedule.
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