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City of Clearwater, Florida
October 27. 1978'
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David P. Healey, Director Planning Department I
Michael W. Kenton, Environmental Planner, Planning Department
Cecil Henderson" ,Engineering, Public Works Department
Donald Meerians, Assistant Director, Traffic Engineering Dept.
Ream Wilson, Director Parks & Recreation
George L. Buhmeyer, Fire Marshal,
Ed'Blanton, Director Building Department
Paul Rettig, Utilities Department
Donald Alexander, Citizen
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Michael J. Paroby, Assistant City Manager
Albert P. Rogers, Citizen
Keith Crawford, ,Director Traffic Eng~,neering Department
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Grace Loyd, Zoning Znalyst; Planning Department
Chris Papandreas. Chief Planner, Long Range
Mike Campbell, Land Res'ource Specialist, Planning Department
,Peter,Denunzio"Saridlian.Realty ,
Lance Sandlian, Sandlian Realty
Peter MOnroe, Northwood Plaza
'Frank Mudano. Archit.ect for Northwood Plaza
Charles Claypool,. 'Harmon . Builders , First Church of Go'd
Rev., Steve B~rch. First Church of God
Shields Clark" Wes t Coas t Engineering Corp., for Shady Oak Farms
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The meeting was called to order at 10 a.m., in the Mayor's
Conference Room. Motion made by Mr. Buhmeyer for approval of
previous minutes of 10/6/78 and 10/12/78. The motion was
secon~ed and carried unanimously.
Shad~ Oak Farms Subdivision - located west of McMu1len-
Booth adjacent to City parkland - Preliminary Subdivision
Plat Revrewr- Continued.
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Mr. Shields Clark indicated he still had not been able to
get .8 commitment from Pinellas County with regard to the pro-
posed road alignment of McMullen-Booth road.
Several members of the Committee indicated they were in
agreement with the concept of the realignment as proposed to
saving the old oak trees.
Mr. Henderson pointed out the developer would be expected
to dedicate to the City as right-of-way the additional strip
along McMullen-Booth Road. This area would not be park but
would be right-of-way and as such be maintained by the adjacent
property owners.
, Mr. Meerians pointed out that when the service road was
built the subdivision might no longer have direct access to
McMullen-Booth'road.
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Mr. Wilson noted that the right-of-way dedication could
not be considered a part of the required park dedication. Mr.
'Clark acknowle~ged this.
Mr. Healey noted the need for a fence and/or landscaping
approved by the City to be required on all double-front~ge lots.
Mr. Rettig noted City had planned a 1291 force water'main
along McMullen-Booth Road but he had no fixed timetable regard-
ing,the date this would be completed.
Mr. Buymeyer indicated three additional fire hydrants would
be required.
Mr. Henderson offered to go with Mr. Clark and meet with
the Pinel1as County engineers to seek approval of the McMullen-
Booth Road alignment as shown on this subdivision plat.
Mr. Kenton made a motion that the Resource Development
Committee endorse the alignment concept indicated on the lates~
, revision of the subdivision plat in order that every reasonable
effort is made to preserve the old oak trees; The motion was
seconded and approved with one negative vote by Mr" Meerians.
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Gomments were called for by Mr. Healey.
Mr. Meerians indicated he had no problems with the CIS but did
have the following suggestions regarding the Site Plan:
1. Elimination of the reverse curve in the private drive.
2. Indicate dimensions of parking spaces.
3. Elimination of one drive off Laurelwood by
combining the two center access to one driveway
with a liT" connection.
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Mr. Thornton of U.S. Home said the reverse curve was caused
by their efforts to stay out of ~ cypress bayhead; however, they
would make an effort to negotiate a better alignment.
Mr. Blanton indicated this site plan did not carry the
required legend.
Mr. Rettig questioned Mr. Thornton regarding the placement
of water meters. Mr. Thornton responded that individual meters
will:be installed between the curb and the sidewalk. Mr. Rettig
also indicated the water mains should be in the back of the buildings
and will have ,to be looped. Easements 'will be required. The
dumpster locations will have to be approved by the Sanitation Depart-
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The Fire Marshal'indicated 3 additional hydrants will be
required.
Mr. Alexander suggested shifting the three buildings in the
center of the plan to save trees.
Mr. Kenton requested an overlay of the trees on the Site Plan.
Mr~ Healey ,noted th~ rear setbacks,were insufficient and
questioned the fact that the plex and patio homes shown were not
platted.
Discussion ensued regarding setbacks required from a private
drive, arid when a private drive by the nature,rof its use and length
became a collector road.
Mr. Henderson indicated, the drainage would have to be checked
and ,that the sewage would flow to the Northeast Plant not Dynaflow
as was stated in C.I.S.
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Mr. Healey made the motion to recommend approval of the
,Community Impact Statement. It was seconded and approved. The
Committee requested the Preliminary Site Plan be revised and
resubmitted.
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Northwood Plaza -' Located 'west or McMullen-Booth Road and
south of Eastland Boulevard - Review of CIS and Preliminar
te an.
Mr. Monroe and Mr. Mudano as representatives of the developer
gave an overview of the planned connnercial project.
Mr. Monroe pointed out he felt the site was well located
between C.R. 102 on the South and Eastland Boulevard on the
North and McMullen-Booth~Road on the East. He further stated
the location was well suited to dispense traffic and, therefore,
would not have a major impact on McMullen-Booth road. .
The 14.6 acre project site contains 130,255 square feet of
commerical area which will consist of a supermarket', drugstore,
.several restaurants, service stores, specialty shops and offices.
Mr. ,Mudano, assured the Committee the Site Plan had been
designed to save as many trees as possible. In size, Mr. Mudano
felt the development fell somewhere between what is described
as' a large neighborhood center or a small community shopping
center, specifically "a large ,convenience-oriented shopping
center" .
Mr~ Healey stated that in order-to put. this proposal in proper
prospective, it was necessary to be aware of what had transpired
at the time of annexation and zoning. In the original agreement
with Northwood Estates, it was noted a Community Impact Statement
would be required for each parcel as it was developed. In addition,
on this particular site (zoned CP) it was specifically noted that
proof of the need for this amount of commercial be shown. Mr. Healey
went on to explain that the Impact State~ent should cover the
total 20 acres but it and the Site Plan ~elate only to the approxi-
mate 15 .acres adjacent to McMullen-Booth Road. He felt in
recommending approval of what had been submitted a commitment
would be made to future ,.uses which had not. been addressed as yet.
A further concern, Mr. Healey explained, was that the Market
Analysis .did not justify the type or scale of commerical shown and
was in addition inaccurate in many areas. Mr. Healey then introduced
Ms. Papandreas and asked that she address the concerns of the
Planning Department regarding the market analysis portion of the
CIS.
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I Ms. Papandreas pointed out several conclusions on which
the Market Analysis was based that she felt were in error. They
are as follows:
1. CIS indicates 3.03 persons per household - county
recommends use of 2.41 persons per household.
2. CIS indicates 34,800 persons - Planning Dep'artment
estimates 24,000.
3. CIS indicates liThe site is the only land proposed
for commercial development in the area bounded by
the U.S. 19 corridor on the West, Tampa Bay on the
East, Gulf-to~Bay Boulevard on the South and S.R. 584
on the North.u This overlooks any c01JDl1ercial in
Safety Harbor as well as that recognized by the
county at the intersection of S.R. 580 and
McMullen-Booth Road.
Ms. Papandreas added in her opinion the Market Analysis could
only justify 43,415' square feet of commercial out of the 130,255
square feet proposed and further she felt there was no unmet need
in' the present market.
Mr. Healey thanked Ms. Papandreas for the presentation adding
he felt that no more than a supermarket and drugstore could be
justified.
Mr. Monroe stated that he believed the market report was
justifiable and even conservative.
Mr. Henderson had the following two comments regarding the
Community Impact Statement:
1. The drainage appeared satisfactory but would have to be
designed by a r~gistered engineer.
2. An additional 50 feet of right-af-way would be
req uir-e.d, .al~ng. McMullen ~Boath.' .Road.
The Site Plan should be amended to indicate a minimum radius
of '20 feet at the entrance. C.R. 102 and Eastland Boulevard.
The representative of the Traffic Department pointed out the
parking spaces would have ta be 19 feet deep. In addition, he felt
the projected traffic volumes indicated in the CIS were insufficient
and that traffic signals would be required at the C.R. 102 and
the Eastland Boulevard intersections with McMullen-Booth Road.
Mr. Meerians had the following comments regarding the Site Plan.
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The Traffic Department could not approve the
raised medians in the access roads.
The internal traffic pattern would have to be
adjusted. '
An acceleration lane would be required along
McMullen-Booth Road.
Mr. Blanton expressed no problems with the CIS or Site
Plan but did point out that the "out-parcels" when developed
would have to be self-sustaining as far as parking was con-
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Mr. Wilson had no comments.
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Mr. Rettig indicates the dumpster location would have to be
approved by the Sanitation Department; separate meters and ease-
ments to them would be required; gas was available if its use was
feasible.
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Mr. Btihmeyer stated the need for an 8 inch water main, the
addition of one fire hydrant ,and ,the relocation of the fire
hydrants shown.'
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Mr. Kenton noted the the CIS was inadequate in addressing the
ecolog~cal areas of water and air quality, noise and wildlife.
Additional information regarding the sizes and number of trees
noted only ,on the plan as clumps will be required. Mr. Kenton
also questioned-the advisability of approving a plan 'with ,Uout-
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Mr. Healey said he had already indicated his problems with
the CIS - primarily the Market Analysis and the "out-parcels". His
comments regarding the Site Plan were as follows:
1. Internal traffic patterns were awkward.
2. Service area to rear of building was inadequate.
3. Difficulty of approving a Site Plan with access
then later finding out additional accesses would
be required for the out-parcels.
Mr.'Mudano indicated that only Phase I would be constructed
at this time. Phase I included the strip stores.
Discussion ensued regarding the installation of the
utilities necessary for Phase I.
Mr.' Kenton made a motion to continue the review of the
CIS. The motion died for the lack of a second.
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There was further discussion regarding the advisability
of approving a CIS submitted for 20 acres when the uses for
only 14 acres were shown.
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A motion was made to recommend approval of the CIS
conditional upon the dedication of the additional right-of-way
and the submission of an addendum which addressed the environ-
mental concerns. The motion was seconded and passed with two
dissenting votes. Mr. Healey and Mr. Kenton voted nay.
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The review of the Preliminary Site Plan was continued
to give the developer time to work,with the concerned depart-
ments and make necessary changes.
First Church of God - located at the corner of Hercules
Avenue and 'Un:l,on Street (Plan to build in County)' - Preliminary
Site' Plan Review
,Mr. Claypool, as the contractor on the project) stated
they wanted to start building in the county and would appreciate
any help the Committee could give to expedite approval of the
Site Plan. He pointed out the portion of the project to be
built under Phase I.
Mr. Henderson noted additional right-of~way would be
required on both Hercules Avenue and Union Street. The
retention area would have to be designed by a certified engineer
and would require reapprovalat the time of construction of
Phase II.
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Mr. Meerians requested the access roads be located as far
from the intersect~on of Hercules Avenue and Union Street as
possible. He further noted the driveway and parking spaces
would have to be of an approved size and informed the Committee
and developer that a traffic signal is scheduled for the inter-
section. Mr. Meerians stated he had no problem with grass park-
ing for, those spaces used only once a week but that this parking
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additional right-of-way and make the changes as requested but
added. his desire to obtain a letter from the City to Pinellas
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A motion was made to recommend approval of the
Preliminary Site Plan contingent upon the satisfaction of the
following concerns:
1. Right~of-way dedication
2. Approval of drainage
3. Construction of sidewalks
4. Change in driveway configuration and approval
of grass parking
5. Addition of required fire hydrant
The motion was seconded and approved.
After some discussion, the Committee agreed to hold a
special meeting on November 3, 1978 to review the requested
changes and to 'have a letter to the County ready for the
developer.
E~ of Lot 5 Hanousek's Subdivision - Agreement To
Annex - Preliminary Site Plan Review
Mr. Denunzio, a developer of mini storage systems,
presented a revised plan and stated his desire to request
City Commission waive the parkland dedication requirement
this tract.
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Cqmmittee recommend 'approval of the Revised, Preliminary Site
Plan subject to acquisition of the easements and allocations,
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The 'motion was seconded by Mr. Wilson and unanimously approyed.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:40, p.m.
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