06/11/1963
TIm PLAtl!HNG AND ZOIHNG BOARD
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The meeting ~oliH; called 'to ordp.t' ai: a: 00 P,. M.. by the ehJi'('}r\nli";-"--'~-'-
Xl". 1<!~use" Present ,,7(~re Hr;!mbp')."s M~lJ.ander ~ Gut~w, Headn ~ Kennedy and
Galloway ~ Hr~ Ret'tig of the Enginc.e'flinl~ Dc.p....rt"trncmt, and gT.'~. Holle. ~
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. ZONIN(~ PROC};:nURES - DISCOSSION -. REPORtr OF SUBCOHHI'rTEE (l'1R ~
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MYLANDEJU -. The Planner l:'ec!ld 1:0 .th~ BOi"rc1 some excerpts frf.')11\ a
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1.oninr, . ac:hnini9t~ati.on handbook tte.gardi~g pUblic h~uring recormnwlda-
tiona. Chai.rman Kruse infot'lnC'd t.h~:. BOi:l!'d that he and ~h", l1yland0~.'" had
met togethcr and wCJrked up a treati!;~e, 1l!'1ndings of Zoni.ng Procedural
Commi tteeH which Get forth the problems to be con$ider~d and c.crtai.n
concl w3ions. Copies of this Com.'Tl.i ttee report ~ as ~ubm:i_tted by
Hr.... Hylander (r!lnd made a part of 1:heSH minutes). were :reviev+ed by
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At, this time OJ it was agreed to deferl fur'i':hel" discussion of "this
(1 . Agenda Item #2 until later in .the meoting and to take up
-.~...1' Agenda Item ill concerninf, "Town HOU!3l~S n ~
ItTovm HOUSES" - DISCUSSION (CONTINUED FROM JUNE l~/63) .. .At 3:20
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P. H.. .Mrv Lloyd l"i.. Phillips, Atto1.'ney, Nt". Robert Spe1\(~el'l Cal"r ~ his
,client., and Mr; Danit~J. H.. Knoebel. State franchise holdGI" for" flTI.)'l'm
Ho\!.ses II.) \l1e'J:Ie pI'cs8nt UpCll'l l'equcst to eonfer' Hi .t+h the Board concerning
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.aproposal for llTmm House" dovelopment ~ Thl~ ChaipmaTI re'.:ifHJE-d cO~lten'ts
of file r~:f\:;rred from t11,,:: City I'1anClger; s ()ffice in it1hi.;,.h 1"'2QU.::~~twa9
m~de fer' rcc.;o;:-mh:mdation from thlZ BOelX'd to '~:he Ci ty Commir~sion-,
.~tt'OT'ney Phi Ilips presen';:;ed his cli ent I 8 pi.~()por'~n 1 -to -an;! BOilrj"
He pointed out ~;he feutur'es of this type oi:' housing '~lhi(":;l ~ .in hin
opinion,. ffiak2 th~se homes uniqve .',Uid c1:i 'i=f,~pellt fl'OJ!l r.:)',,; f,!~)v::.e~~'" as
thny 8 ;:ist. in Bal timope and o'::hcr north('~1"'n ci-ties.. 0.-:. mr-:.de r't~ fel'cnce
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"to. u1'ovln HOt.1S~B". as 1:1'1,= objeet of considcr,:I'+..i(-.j1 in Fi: ,. L.::,ud.;~r'dDJ.e and
,:>the!' I"1<n"ida cd.ties 0 Photos of ~O!l1e uTo'.m rrOuDe~~ II con~-: ti:'ueted in rIa.
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nI&tod uo f:r.OD~ $11.,500 to mol"'€ th.)n $10" tiOO i.n i'ccol'dmv~e. wi th "Jidth
imd locat.ion.. lIe no.ted that they should he axpecial1y desir'able as
"........ houainRf!8.sily accessible to downtown rlt"OEW. and. that the pre.fabt'icate:d
uni t3 in groups of ~i" to eight could be acconunodat.ed on long nat"rO\11
strips of.land that might be difficult .to use otherNisc.. Nr.. Phill:Ipa
informed the Board that Mr.. C/'U'I' \olaa interested i.n a uTown House II
. de.velopment for' his property on Osceola, his plans being to U,3e 10
units on 12,000 sq,} ft.. of his pI'operty and one. on 5~OOO aq.. ft.. HI'..
Phillips fur'ther explained that 'C'hel"e is no fr.anchise dealer in this.
area and stated that if they can WOtt):: out arrangements \olhereby this
type housing can be approached and a zoning classification established,
then Mr~ . Knoebel would offer these homes to contractors in the area
as i3 franchise..
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Mr. Knoebel related the history of his original constr.uction of
. UTot~n Housesu in Vero Beach, Fla.., and of subsequent. cons'truction in
~ Cape Canaveral area and i.n West Palm Bead).. Information was given
-cha.t Browa~d, Bx.~eva:rd, Indian. Ri veI'" and St 0 Lucie Ccmllties were set
up for franchises & Hr. Knoeb~}J. informed the Board of xhfR: his experi-
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enccs in X"egard to planning and zoning r~quiremel'ltG of the different
communi ties and of vaz'ying int~l'pr.'etation13 by tax aesesso!'s of a
numb!:!!' ':>f counties in regard 1:0 eligibility or the owner's of se.parate
units for homestead ex~mpt:i.vn undel" tiv:! flm:'idn L:n.J. Upr)n il1quh"y
as ~,o provisions made in F.lc!'id~ C'i ti~G where these homei; have b~en
built to ~ontrol the type of architecture" Mr. Knoebel advised that
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nothinF., had been done regarding this. He stil ted thCi't some: i-l'r'C.!l'3 ai~-
complish this by. reriuirement of a plat t(J 3110\>1 hO\>J pt'Cpel'.ty is to be
developed..
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Hr',. . Knoebel 8ugge<;t~d that if the Board had a ne',.;' z,onJ.ng olas slf.i.~
cation including plattin e requi r'emen't, tlv~ PI i3nn:i.nF, B(lCl'('C! could appl:'ovc:
plans (this classific..:J.tion he thought ~.houJd only be ...n':;f.;rj upon
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<-\.PVl1.~i,\.tiol.1 in an c.xistil'\& zonu:) '. Hr. 'Philli.?8 suggested plan
t.o bo ilpproved by zoning authot'itias and th~ City Comm;tpBion on thi.:1
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pa~ti cnlar property of Mr~ Cl.Irr. t s. HCI stClte~"l'llin~1t sh(.)ul(~ be
c<mtl'ol of it., Don't think it should be rln open Cl;105if;tc~a.tion. II
Hr~ Knocbel j.nf'o11JnGd the Board that parki.ng facilit.ior; fm,...
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't'l'own Houses" have been provided in Bome instances by parking area
o1;,Yned by common o\olncI'ship (on one cont.:d.l1ing 13 units it 'that each
\.1wnel'" has 1/13th ownt.'l'ship); i.n other' planned unit devel0pm~nts
common gl"eens aro used ~ In Palm I3aach h(~ stilted specifically that
on a boulevard they have to use real"' for offstreet p~.lrking (on plat
set up) and one development that is not on a boulevar-d has pa~king
in fl'10nt in 25 ft. front setback... He stated that Y'ibbon in f:r'~mt ror
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parking wag suggasted for Mr~ Carr~
ci ty Attorne.y Brown inquired of the Plannel" whet11eT.' rot\! houses
al'e pe-vmitted or prohibited in the City's ordinance now., l'lr~ Holle
replied that \,zith a conunon wall they .:r{'8 not permitted, but t'hat as
fell" as the Building' Deptn 'is conca:rned they \...ill accept it as an R.-4
$'l:l"ucture with one m1'ner for that I.articular building anti ,tha.t
structure would have. to conform with setbacks G He 8)[plained further
tna't there is no pt.oviaion for one to build sepa!'('lt(~ for' a "Town
HO\1se tI ~ Tne question was posed by one member .!lS to \o,hether lack of
such pz.ovision v10uld be a blemish on title.
Ci ty A'ttOl'lfley ll:r'otm expressed the opinion 'thai:: T't?gcl!'dless of
110';-1 the cUl"'I'ent request is tl"ea"ted ':I 'I:h~ BOCll:'d should L'lab,: oome :t'ec~m.~
mendation about this type of house" H-;;; [Jddl~d that i.f it C;in he d\?ne
now:, pl'oba})ly some l';lhunges ShO\11d be made, Hr., Y.noo 'De. J i.\n~:H,'eY'ed
various. qUi:s.t:tons fy'om Hr~ BroH'n i.n l"~gal7't~ to his e-:':'f'~':l1'i(~r.1:8 \<d.i;h
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Ir'1'C)\.l!l Houses H in othc-r F'lor.~.c1it (-:::l"t;~.:i~:.
Attc,~"'ney Phillip:; l':.ssu:!'>::-d 4::11(~ Boa,:,rj ::hi'.t 1. f it: h; ~.o be done
he \";o\lld not .:I.dvise Mp,. Kr.c.::b'.;.1 01.' 1~1'. C~n"~:' ~'('J Hf?ct ini:o t:lif~ thinglt
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unl~sS., to quoto, u~lC are ,:.lblc to make u clilssifiC~1"tion Hhtn"~by wu
?re pOt"r.'\i tted to Bubmi t pl.,t 'to you for o?1pproval, if you favor this. n
.t/~ He added that it nhould he done in ;1 classification set up under or-
dinance and not by being able to do it beoause of sorn~thine that is
not in tho ordin8nca~
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Mv.. Myla.ndm"'l posed l! question to A-ttol;ney Phillips to ."the effect
that ,. am.\umlng that a building permit is Branted for row houses in
thiG H-ll 7.o0nc, and assuming houses. are conveyed off to individual
pur-ohasot's for 20 ft.. width and tho purchCl.sel'l applies for title policy
and hilS singln.-faTnlly. residence in R-4 zoning, ,-.that Hould happen?
Attorney Philli po I'lepli.ed -tha't any title policy you' get Si-1YS "sub-
ject to zoning". He stated he does not "think it Hould make any differ'-
ence .in getting titlel but that he does think i.t would make difference
iti sale ~f ~le8e p~opertiea~
At' l~: 15 P. M.. Asst _ ci tv Attorney Kennedy-'~ned the m~~t_i.ng
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Upon ~nquiry from Mro Reade as to floo~ plans, Mr~ Knoebel dis-'
played .:;O!W? floor plans for' "Town Houses" and furnished the. informa..
tion t;. 't TN ',t of them arf'! 'hIO rooms de.ep..
Hl.'. Galloway inqu5."
the Boa!'d were to "t.equil'e. unde.r some
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zone OT' ne,'] zon:i.ng ~l'.~sification off-5t~l''\ee.t parking, could it he
p1'lovided? l1r" Knoebel informed him that 111"' ~ Car.l~ would have off.Astl"eet
parking in setback in front.
After some further rliscussion, i:he. Chi'Jir'JT\Cll1 advised that the
Board would take the matter unde~ adviseM~nt.
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(Hr.-I> Knoebel left some photos 't illu8tt"3.tiv~ litera.turc ~ and
copies of floor plans with the Boa'!.'d rOll i ts l'~~ viehl'" )
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, Ht3nlb()r\~l <ll!lot,H.Hu:Ht oontan't of thu m"~1Ul\i tt(~e t'npovt at, length. The
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Aant. Ci ty Attornoy P'llV(1 tho l)o,:lrd a l'1uling thut the City Commission
mum.t he)) d ~I publJo hum....\ng~ Ha nc)vi9ctl thu1.: he thought the Commission
will w~nt: to t)chl~dulo zoninR hOl1t':1.ngs perhapo ClS often as 2 months
(o:r mOl"'n orton if dooJnod )jcce3f~i\x'y by oxp,~x'icnce)" He stated; howe.ver,
thlJ't th" Commit:Joion did not \tumt to hear zoning cases at. every meeting..
A1:tornoy ,)(rJrlTl(!dy di13CIJSGcd \.lith members possibl(~ zoning procedures "to,
be reoownf-:mdcd for adoption by the Commi.Gsion.. He read to the Boal"'d
an outli.ne of GUegested procedur'as prepared by hi.s offIce.. He then
stated he would recoJlunend thu.t the Board made its recommenda'tions and
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thll't he would than draw up an ordinance and submit it back to .the
Beard for approval..
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w~tJl chM~~e ,rom 5u tu to ~uu rto 1n 1/0..06
~~!2]}li'.n..1Ln~eprrr'~:p.:r:-'.ttorne~ennedYread text of Section
176'.. 07 and expr.esGed concern also over provision contained therein fov
mandatory public hearing by 'the Zoning Board" He felt th'=..1t \.,ri thou.t
adopting Sec~ 17S~07) the Board had the authority conferred by this
section already. \Vi th l"efer.ence to wording in Sec~ 17 6 ~ 06 IIby the
favorable vote of three-fourths of the a~.Y~E!l-~~..B.~.P~:r. of said rnunicipali-
tyll, inquiry 'tl1as mad,c as to hOt... many conunissioners Hould hav'~ 'to sit
in session on a zoning ma-ttero At'tol"lhey Kennedy informed the Boar,d
that according to an interpretation by tile State1a Attorney General,
~9..'!..c...r8i!.~~.!!s.w_,. :i.n his opinion ~ Hould Inec'ln 'the cOlllllli:.:mion as cons'ci-
tu.t~d at a particular session, llnd that he. thouj?,ht t~hat 3 (three)
cOJnmissioners could ai t in session at a zoning hearing..
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motion in that thin nlatteI" was left tC) the dith':\:ttl!..;-;:ton of the ^,ndntant
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that co:mmi.tt:o~ m~tnbt~t"a viai ted th~~ ;;~t'ea of the 1.'\eque~t.. t.h{~ a\),bjf';~ct
b1.oc1<a abutt:i,ng Pierr.:1~ St..~ Wavt:n-\ly tvay, and l,ildy l-1<.r:ry 1)1"1'1 VE~ ~ C(,n-
sidc1"'ing the bU$ine1~B usage to thE:, north t r.lnd the trend of d;'\velopment:
to tnc Hcst, the Commi 'tt~.zl Z"<H:mmmended -t'tia.t tho x'\;!nU,cst fop 'R~.1~ ~~oning
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E.~__Ji~~d... Ht'.. Nolle. explained land use 1.n tha adj oining ,:illea..
Motion wa.s made and nassed un.:-mimoual \1 that the. Zcninr;: _CcTrr:d'. ttee' 9
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. SUMHER MEETING SCJ-lEmn:~B - Upon members agL'eement ~ regular' BOc\1.-'d
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me~tings \-lara changed. from Tuesday to 'l'hurtsday,. 1:he .change being
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made because (1) A no effect on timing' wi.th Comntis~ioI1 m'~etillgg i', and
.. (2) .. 'change provided for bet.:te't' attr!ndtmce dUl"llng .the SUlrlutGX" ~
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The meeting vIas adj onrne.d at 5: 25 P r H"
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