03/06/1962
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Minutos of the f.Ie,ati1.ne, '1'uf33uHY) Mtn"ch 6, 196~~,
Tho moot.ing was cnJlod to ord.er tH. 3=30 p" 14" by tha- Gh.;J.irmt'n~
14.\'. Kl"usa. Present worc Ml7:mboX's H0X'l'ict.,ly Outoo, l'~yll.U1dOt'~.Shopllrdt
Reade t.lnd GaJ_towa:{, 141" <0 Hc~t..t.ig of t.hn grll~inet:ril'1e Dupa:c.t;rn~nt. Tho
Gity Planner Has 1:1xcused fo1.' liho purposo (.)f t.\tt.enJing a CO\J11ty
Commission mt3etiing.
Also pres'ant by invitntioll \'wrlJ i4r, Ed rJl:i.chels ~ Ch.7dl'suan of tihe
Community Planning C01!lmj.tt(~9 of ~~hc Clear\>:ater Chamber of Gorl1ltlcrce ~
and. Commit;tee J~1ernbe!', iv1r" Hobert IJj.g{~ersta f"f\:.l t Jt' <'.
'The minutes of the FnbX'uary 2'1 ~ 1962 ~ U18ct.:lng .,,:ere approved as
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'SUBDIVISIONS: PRlU.lJ1ilINAH.Y S'l'UDY. Ii\) R l\lASTi'~R Pl~AN OF THE
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. ~YB_~+v:.j:]19J:ll -. 'fhe Bo:.:\rd concurred in t.aking up l;his Agenda Item ~~3
fIrst in or-dart inasmuch as J.fr" \'iard Rodgers and "!Iro l.J1ilner Cummings!
developers~, and J.'lr Q Leo Butler, Engineer for the devclopars ~ '....EJre
present at. this tIme" Irh(~ Cha.irman informed them that in discussion
\dth the Planner prior to ,this meeting~ the fact was recognized that
the Subd5.vis;i.on Commit.t,e:e haa not revi.ewed the plan at a 11, but he
stated the Board 'would be gl.:id 'to hear any i.nformaticJu cr...at the ap.-
plicant;.s '\'ii~hed to present~ u Hm..rever y he added that to fo.llo\'f' usual
,B()ard procedure t t'he Commit tee could. 1'(1 quest tb:rt <3.ny decision on
,the matter ~e delayed until its members had an opportunity t.o rev'iew
thG plan and SllrVey the property on the sit.'~ for adja(:ent. pro~1ertiei3t
topography f land use ~ etc. ~
The applical1t:J discussri-d det.a'i.ls of. the:Lr propot)ed developinent. of
this approximatel:r 50 acre tract as delineated on drawing submit bed
dated Feb.. 24~ 1962. Points pr~Gented:
1.. -, North 1 imit is almo;.; t Opp(,lsi t(-~ t".11<:.:' s/'n; corrU:lI' o.f Un.ive:t--
s:Lty:, Park Subdivis1,)n, 'rbf: w<}s~ ;:00 ft. adjoin:;; n01ch(~r
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Z.. - 'fbis proposed p.lat '/Joulrl Hot., .:.f'i'cr:t the ,::r:!:,8DS Lon oi~
LakeviC1-l'Ro['HL ;l'l!i'J d0velopfilcnt or th0 ih':J.:t '.J.f) liO t.!w
south 'lrould i niJl) 1 V~ slv:h l)xt.ensiOll"
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J <> .. Infor.mation \OlD.s eiver! by ilk ~ Uuc.hn' tho t they l.lrG bt.ulically
asking for pcu'mi:3:.'\j.()11 n t t~h is tiwJ t.o consl.iruct the
wGsterly half' o.t' tho doV'olopmont (to ba known II S Unit :1)
Jt.. .. '1'ho distance \On thout H north-south C1"QS.H acree t is about
1/2 mile.
5 II - They ~U1ticipt{te t.hnt tho 11oi.11'd \~ill expe ct t,hem to tie-in
to 6omo streets in tho Easterly section~
.6" - Length of one cul-de-so.c as indicated is upproximately
800. it ~ J.lr ~ Hodgers, est im.-'l t,ed that ';\3 lots are large t
\'/ould be' 20 to 21 families on such cul-de-sac" They
,felt that their proposed pl.:ttl w1th, s)rstem of i.nter-col'l-'
ue ctil1g roads \r.Jould provi.dH beauty ~ So.f\1t.y and good
property 'faIues and be, 1 i.l<:ed by ()),"'osp~ cti ve buyers"
, 7" - 'fhey aro l;h inkin$ in torms of 1200-1500 sq 0 it ~ and up
on houses, nnd lot. 5i~es closer to 10 I> 000 sq" I't.. than
to 7500 sqP ft,o .
Ar 0 Lleaue pointec;l out that us do rule the Board has felt j,t
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advisable
Ato request that cross streets that would make connection be no more
than 1200 it" or 1/l" mile apart"
i4r.. rl.ettig called attent'ion to the half right-or.-war for
. llIa6nolia Drive dedicated ''lith i~denvillo Subdivision and the possi-
bility that' the Board would \'Jant to hittlC ,l;tagnoli.a Urive dedicated as,
part of this proposed' pla.t".
'fhe Chairman stressed the !~act tha t this pro posed development
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i.s in an area of: raw aCl Bage :~nct \'~uld ha,re to be ci:.lre.fully con..
a:i.dert:1q" a.s a part 01' a possible plan for developwl3n t of the outlying
arcas arou.nd it~ 'He reported t.hat in discussi.on T,'Iith f:,he City Plc.wner,
t.hey both felt thera coald be a. cbangct III the CLtl..de..s.1c and tlv~re
should be some re servation for a ::.itr88 t 0 })ening ..It thi.n thf3 1/2 mile
distance c>
i.Ir" Heade; Chair,nan oi' thE! Subr:liv.l3i.on COnlddtt.ee) reqU(~nted that.
the COli'utit.tee be all.o\lod tirn(-: .for &. f:Leld snrvl;;Y before offering
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r~comllendati.Qn" I.tt'. ttet.tig :tr~d;i..eJ.t.(;(~ '.,hilt t.ht: :E.nr~in8~rint~, Dtqx.n"t:llont.
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"las inteI'e~ted in hvving t,he SrKu't! t f;) ',('(; ~om(!)enda.t :i.on 3.S soon as
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po; siblo . in v1.C\'l 01' t.11l~ City' II ant~1.ciprH.f1d tlx.tc:nnlon or .'3f;.)\'](n' :~Qr..
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l~o 't,his t3X'lJiL.
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l~'C""nodr.:.arf3" fll!'~ CUmmil11:;J~ nnd 1,lro Uui.:.lel' leftf the 111cc-:liing at
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cq~.L.!~tl~ -' The Chairman e.xpre::wad pJ.easw:'€l th;:.>!:. l.'ir" J.'I1ichr:ilR and
'/u~'(, Bigge:rsr.al'fe could m'3et w:i.th t~hl~ BOdrd" It t'/as learned tha.t f'Le.,
Todd I . Chamb~l"' Socrct.:.~'Y, intendad to be p:r,'e3ent.. also ~ .but \':a.s un-
. ex'pect(~dly .::aJ.led fHii...lY from h~.s (lri.' ice ') 'fhe .Board d 1s cHssed infol;,mal-
ly \r.1. t.h l;lr" i..1ichels the mat tel' of effecting coordination betm:lsn t.he
Boa.l:'d and' his Chamber of Commerce' COlwnittee concerning plans and pro-,
. jects of mutual in1~erE)st.. !JJrn Gates advised that he had replaced 1.Jr....
CJl.:Jrles Gallo\',ay on the above Committe';) and had proposed this joj.nt
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meGlting to. afford a.n opportuni,ty for an exchange of .ideas and plans"
Ar. Aichele staced thut ha could not sp~all; f~r the Chambt=:r ~ of
course $. only for the Commit tee. lib t~a'l'e i~hc informat:i.on tbat ..
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l'heir' CO.(l,It\ittee iH tryj.lJ,g to formulate a plan of \\.~lrk; that.
they' are .f:ntertaining good. suggestions ,,;il.:. hin t;he COIllJnit tc:~e,
The Nat iort.ti.l GbambdT' has m,.~da uva:ll.:tb1.r: :i.n.form<J.t.iol1 conce:'nj n[~
a coor.dinat.:ll1g plan culled, H'fho i':ri(~ Pl...:mu" ,.:h::.ch i;:" oG:I.ng suc~'
'. cessfuJ)y folJ.o:'lGu by one Ch.8.mber ;~\"'OU!:i,
Althon~;h the rt:~x'ie Plunl1 h) w:~:d:ul ~15 a g,uid.c ~ t.ho Cloarh'<':1t~t~r
Co.Jlmittee'{s idea iG to study plannj.ng t,b.~d'. may hav'l~. vt.\r'i.(Jus
origirLs l the: n dr',-IN in Ot118.t' orgcHl.l ~a1Jj,ow3 :i.n support (l.r Uwse
p~ann dndol'ned"
t-'Ir~ ll1i.chcls offered the cooperat.ion of t.~)!..~il' GOd,!li.i~t~.!C in unY' way
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. possible"
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Chuirm~m }i.;r'us E: ga -.,e !:J()il;':~ !.l"J i',2:iJ ~.; .i. ,'~ r~~ ,rpr.J t l) hia L~tlk. b(3 fGl'r;:
thB Liolu3 Club tlw,t dQ)~ at vihich tilllC fJ. progl'anl '..:aG p).'e,:H~nted on thH
Cent.r,ill 8usiuet:,:3 D5.nt.ci ct,
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fjom~ foa tu:coo o.r tho Doa~"d' a stmd)r :rj~po.rt of' t.t G/;.ntral BusineiHl
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District. PlaYl 1.!hj.ch lwo prOViOlVJly bef311 f:'tlbmj.ttc:~d to ~~ho .Uity- .Goril'.
mission" He omphasi~~ed tha.t th:i.3 study ;,'if)S not. a finf.\l:1.~~ed pl~li
and t;..ba t the PJ.arln :tng COfHJu.l tHnl;u I 1"8 eOCllfliGllda t:Lon i'laS' t.h.at the' Com...
pr,ehenHJ.ve Plan Report should be .st\pplem~Hl.t~d b;r a d<3tni.le,d CBD
PlllD ~ . ,He oJcpressed. his 1til3,'\'r that. plf.mnin e; foX' the Central Business
Dis1~rict \lOuld be <.'ne of t.he most' impoX'.tn.nt lL1att~ers for Coot'dination
~r.i.th the Chamber C0J.1).11itt.ee. Regional planning c:md the futltr'3 st.ahus
01' Clearl'later Qn o.n area shop~):Ln(~ (~entet' Vfere named among othel'
matters that E;hould be of .joint :i.nt.er-.l.1at..
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~-ir ~ Gates p,?inti:ld Dut 't.ila t if the Board has a program j,t \'1Rnt.9.
to . promote, and if the Cbambm" knows Hhat. the program is before it is
presented to the public: then the Chamber would be in positibn to
help in'the promotion~
. Hr~ Michels stated that the Cha.mber. did not r6c(dve a copy'of'
the above study- repoz't on the Cen'tral Bu.siness D:1.strict subm:ltt'ed'
by the Board 'and indica,tad inter-est in .having this infQrmat:i.on that
. has become available ~
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19_!'s 1 ease J..hi~L'i.PE.!'~2- tq,;) _9.hQ.~-g.Q.~~g.K,.J.~~jl\rnirr.~Q..~
. tfhe Board a~l.so dis cuss eft ~hf:., pOBfJ 5.bil:itf n.l' c~:ordL(1o.tion "li r,b.
Oh(huber Committ.ees in :r.-egLu"d. t.o the Attj:r'1.:1ct.i~)!l"J 1I,':=:(ic:!,'t:, that. had
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been subm~i.ttedby i:,he 13GE'.rd. to tho C5.ty GOf!1m:i.El':::Lo!\ ~.l:'JD;:! J.t.::; l';.'lque::;t:"
and in regard to Beautif:icatlun prt)~ioet,s,.
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of the Board 'l'Ji,th the e.~1t:i,:t'.0 Gom~i1unii~y PJ.i.Anni~'w C(),11;lt:U:,'t:08 (nino :i.n
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Chamber COll!luittee on t,'Jareh 15th) '!{t~. ...1"lelwl::; h'Ould 1.1ontnct {.ll". \iolle
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l?:ill!L.!,l.e2&I.9.!l!.f.~~J~SJ.UH!J.!.9.~..d!lli..Q.01. - IfhG Uoard }"O v ir;~ \it) d J] P P lj,~ ,a t.1 on
.fO!' a CO.llllK~rcial Sig!l (t)i~o 200 nq" .rt~) to bH local'.od on property
r') ovmedby H. ll~ Baskin, SrQ.1 on tho aouth sid~ of' Gulf....to-Bay Blvd..
. east o.f [J~ HVIY.. 19". (llefe.t'tm<.:B . in \nude to ~~on:i ng an cl Plunning Boa r-d
;'Iinutes 01' Allg" 15/61 ree:;arding ,:lpp:cova.l of $~l1ulJ.or aj.gn~ 128' (jq~ ftfl).
The' Chairman stat.€.!d tl1r~ t so' fl'l.X' as he knetl thr:" PI.'opoSBd sign compliod
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1J.!s.n.~.)~or~_..it'F:i9tl:t:..M!:E_~fl!es0.!l~_~ .1<'ir.. Reade reitarat;ad his foal-
in~ hhHt many of our' ar'l.ierial entrance vlays ha~ve been marred. by- cw
a bundance of conunercial signs u URQ!L.Y..91~~..'!.J.ll-L!!.1~;.2l} .!.;!is, Rf:l~!l~cJ.
. ~~nim~~l!~!:Z ..~__ JJ _l~~gg.,g1t.~.~ th C!.!1..-th ~....Q..llY.....f1..ill.llw:-!n:l;g,Q.Le.\~.hY.1i t
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.fu:.tg;G'.i!~'~Qg~d_.t..o qi S.2-t! 95_ t,he %;1~:"'Ql.._~i&~J.:Jlli.!:!!E;t~i.q!.LJ.UJ:.tU~..t..,1i!:th
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~tOUR CI't~_.9.LillE.b~'H?_.:.._~'i:\f.Jlti_~lTIl ~ i.iLelnb\'ll~s i.nter-eeted in 1llak~~
. in,g this trip were roquested to contact tbe Planner be'for'a end 'o.r the'
'. \'leek" It was tentativelyar'I"nngcd for t.he group to i1'eet at the
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LE'rTER FllOIJi 1.ljGiATt~E' CtJUN'llY PLANNING DSPAft'.rl.t!:NT ON OPSfill TIOH OI~
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Agenda Item 1;~2 i'taS deferred. du(~ GO. 103 ck oi' t.:i.f(tE'!"
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